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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 11:31 AM
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CBC posted an article this morning about the NB Museum.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-museum-architect-meeting-planned-1.6804380

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“Toronto-based architectural firm Diamond Schmitt is preparing for its first team meeting next week with members of the New Brunswick Museum board and staff in Saint John.

Museum officials announced this week the firm had won the planning and design contract for a new museum building.

"We're thrilled," said Donald Schmitt, a founding partner in the 48-year-old company, which has won multiple Governor General awards and has recently been involved in a major renovation of the National Arts Centre in Ottawa.

"The opportunity to develop a new museum for New Brunswick is super exciting," said Schmitt, who envisions the new building as a "place of storytelling," and a "crossroads for the community," that captures the history and diversity of the province.

"It needs to be a landmark — legible, visible, accessible," in order to draw people from the city, the province and beyond, he said.

The museum exhibit centre in Market Square closed to the public permanently last fall, and all of its collections are in storage at a brick building on Lancaster Ave.

The staff and board have set out a number of elements to be incorporated in the new museum.

It's to have about 160,000 square feet of space — for exhibitions, workshops, collections, public programming and events.

Not much design work can happen until a location is chosen, Schmitt acknowledged, and the timeline to open by early 2026 is "pretty tight."

His firm will be analyzing the pros and cons of two possible sites. One is where the old museum building stands on Douglas Avenue. It has a number of "complexities," said Schmitt.

It's at the top of a bank, has a provincial park on one side and has "other constraints," on the other side.

Another possible location has not been disclosed.

One of the requirements, said the architect, is adequate space for museum-standard loading docks and busloads of students.

Other features he's looking for are more aesthetic.

"I think it would be really great given the incredible geology and topography of Saint John to have a site that can capture and have sight lines to some of the great bodies of water and the great topography that is sort of woven through the city."

He'd like the building to "connect to the landscape" and be able to reflect the many levels of history and heritage of the region.

There was no overt requirement for Indigenous consultation listed in the request for proposals, but Schmitt said that was one of the interview questions before his firm got the contract.

"We are very interested in that," he said.

Diamond Schmitt plans to collaborate with museum board and staff members to reach out to Indigenous communities and "weave aboriginal ways of knowledge and insight into the process."

Schmitt wants to meet with members of the public a number of times, in Saint John and potentially elsewhere in the province, to gather ideas that can inform the architectural design. He hopes to have the first community consultation session before summer.

Diamond Schmitt will be in charge of hiring a number of other engineers and specialized consultants. The firm already has many connections in the province, he said, including with the firm EXP.

They're working together on the Atlantic Science Enterprise Centre in Moncton and the new performing arts centre in Fredericton.

Meeting the project timeline will "take a lot of collaboration, a lot of teamwork, a lot of focus," said Schmitt, "but I think it's very doable."

The National Arts Centre project was of a similar scale and had a similarly "aggressive" schedule.

Other "important cultural projects," Diamond Schmitt has done include a major transformation of the Lincoln Centre concert hall for the New York Philharmonic, L'Orchestre Symphonique in Montreal and the Four Seasons Performing Arts Centre in Toronto”.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 1:02 PM
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This would be a pretty significant move for uptown. On one hand to fulfill the need for a grocery store, and second to resolve the issue that has become Brunswick square.

The pedway system and all the amenities attached are such a huge advantage to the city in our climate, this should be maximized.
Pedway is a double edged sword, diverting people from the streets. Businesses would thrive more without it.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 3:51 PM
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This would be a pretty significant move for uptown. On one hand to fulfill the need for a grocery store, and second to resolve the issue that has become Brunswick square.

The pedway system and all the amenities attached are such a huge advantage to the city in our climate, this should be maximized.
Saint John has a great climate! The pedway is useful for two months during the winter and a handful of rainy days.
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Pedway is a double edged sword, diverting people from the streets. Businesses would thrive more without it.
It's less for businesses and more for pedestrians having an option in bad weather. It's possible for cities to exist with pedway systems, as evidenced in both Montreal and Toronto and elsewhere.
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It's less for businesses and more for pedestrians having an option in bad weather. It's possible for cities to exist with pedway systems, as evidenced in both Montreal and Toronto and elsewhere.
I hope in the future with Uptown growing that the we'll have enough businesses outside and indoors that will have foot traffic walking by.
If there was more in Brunswick Square I can't see why people wouldn't want to use it. If you had a movie theatre, indoor go karts or something plus with Market Square and the restaurants you'd have a full day inside when the weather is bad.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 4:08 PM
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I hope in the future with Uptown growing that the we'll have enough businesses outside and indoors that will have foot traffic walking by.
Given the retail improvements on most Uptown streets (Germain, Princess, Water, and soon-to-be Union) i'd say this is already happening.

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If there was more in Brunswick Square I can't see why people wouldn't want to use it. If you had a movie theatre, indoor go karts or something plus with Market Square and the restaurants you'd have a full day inside when the weather is bad.
I think Brunswick Square should be less of an entertainment destination for the region and more of a daily destination for nearby residents. It's clear that Uptown residents will eventually need better retail servicing, especially with grocery as has been discussed here ad nauseum over the years, and that will eventually come to pass once critical mass in the Uptown is reached. Building out Waterloo Village will simply add to this pressure and need for a centralized retail location that services the Uptown Core.

McAllister already has movie theatres and things of that nature. People who want those things can get them fairly easily if they want to.

I still maintain that BS has been left vacant on purpose so that a large retailer can come in and fill a lot of the smaller individual spaces. If BS were desperate for tenants then rather than stores sitting empty for years it would be a revolving door of small mom-and-pops stores trying to make a swing of things paying next to nothing for a storefront. This is what happens in a lot of small-town malls before they eventually die (think, like, tiny thrift stores, or stores so niche they're bound to exist only in the short-term). That isn't happening, so i'm left to assume BS is leaving space empty in a concerted effort to rent it out all in one go to a large retailer.

It doesn't explain a lot of the food court and other small corner areas emptying out, which I assume had a lot to do with COVID and WFH. It may also mean that Uptown residents prefer Top's or Julius to Pizza Hut, as they should.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 7:43 PM
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Given the retail improvements on most Uptown streets (Germain, Princess, Water, and soon-to-be Union) i'd say this is already happening.


I think Brunswick Square should be less of an entertainment destination for the region and more of a daily destination for nearby residents. It's clear that Uptown residents will eventually need better retail servicing, especially with grocery as has been discussed here ad nauseum over the years, and that will eventually come to pass once critical mass in the Uptown is reached. Building out Waterloo Village will simply add to this pressure and need for a centralized retail location that services the Uptown Core.

McAllister already has movie theatres and things of that nature. People who want those things can get them fairly easily if they want to.

I still maintain that BS has been left vacant on purpose so that a large retailer can come in and fill a lot of the smaller individual spaces. If BS were desperate for tenants then rather than stores sitting empty for years it would be a revolving door of small mom-and-pops stores trying to make a swing of things paying next to nothing for a storefront. This is what happens in a lot of small-town malls before they eventually die (think, like, tiny thrift stores, or stores so niche they're bound to exist only in the short-term). That isn't happening, so i'm left to assume BS is leaving space empty in a concerted effort to rent it out all in one go to a large retailer.

It doesn't explain a lot of the food court and other small corner areas emptying out, which I assume had a lot to do with COVID and WFH. It may also mean that Uptown residents prefer Top's or Julius to Pizza Hut, as they should.
I go to the website, see 23 stores/services that I've seen in every dead mall. Brunswick Square never worked great, and it's showing it's age. A grocery store would not do well there either. A grocery store either needs dense population(not there yet) or street level access with parking right at the door - or at least somewhere you can push a shopping cart to your car without risk of actually stealing the cart. If people are just buying what they can fit in their arms, you need a convenience store, nothing bigger.

The BS building from the outside looks more like a hospital or perhaps office space than either a hotel or (lastly) retail shopping. Hospitality and retail need a more inviting public face and longer hours than 9:30AM to 6 PM, closed on Sundays. The customers at this point are the 9-5ers that create a big sucking sound at 5:01 PM. Those people, if they're like other cities, empty out to the easy access malls and grocery stores to pick up milk and bread on the way home. They generally don't want to spend time looking and paying for parking when it's way easier outside the core for that.

The population is going to have to come before the retail at BS. Retail can't survive waiting for the peninsula to fill up with people.

Be prepared to displace the south end population in order to make the south end trendy and prosperous. Updating the existing housing stock is not going to be enough to change the demographics/economics to support a downtown enclosed mall that really never was big enough physically to draw customers. Where space is available you need to build vertical to increase the population density. It's the only change that could make a grocery store viable - and it has to stay open way past 6PM. My local Walmart is open from 7AM to 11PM. There are other grocery stores as well but if you want to avoid the crowds, you can shop locally at other than prime time.

The biggest, most prominent sign on the King St. side is Scotiabank. I wouldn't blame anybody for thinking they might be the major tenant. Unfortunately, they might actually be.

I went to the "leasing opportunities" page and counted 31 vacancies. Off the top of my head, it's almost 60% empty right now. The biggest bargains there should be square footage. Nobody wants to go looking at "leasing opportunities" when they're looking for inspiration to spend their hard earned bucks.

It looks like little has changed from 1977 (or whenever it opened). The place needs a complete rethink inside and out. Included in that should be considered a change of use and leave the retail to street level vendors that I would bet are getting way more foot traffic than BS.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 8:55 PM
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Grand Bay- Westfield is a town of ~5000 with a few thousand in the outlining areas. The last census count put the South Central Peninsula at ~8200. Assuming all the projects in the pipeline get off the ground we will be at 10K in no time.

With that being said it is not solely based on population... I would argue we should consider household median buying power when assessing Grand Bay's Foodland performance because that would have a direct effect on the number of trips folks in the community are making to the store and how much they are purchasing.

You could also make note of the fact ~15,000 office workers (# before COVID, not sure what it is now) will be in the presence of this grocery store. What if you only need a few things? Would you rather have to pull off your route driving to the valley or just walk down the street and pick it up?

One point that is never brought up is the massive presence of restaurants in close proximity that could decrease their cost by walking as opposed to driving to source ingredients. (Yes I know a lot of restaurants have delivery service but some of the smaller places source from grocery stores).

As for parking and carts and what have you. If you live on the SCP there's a fair chance you either A) don't own a car or B) purposely moved there to try and be not so dependent on your vehicle to get you places. Anytime a grocery discussion comes up people scream CARS CARS CARS this is a clear indication to me this person does not live on the SCP and won't be a customer of this store anyways

At the end of the day, there are a lot of stakeholders in this discussion but the most important are those who call the SCP home. Just because our neighborhood is built differently from yours does not in any way invalidate our need to access groceries.
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What's surprised me about Brunswick Square is how few tenants relocated elsewhere uptown when their leases ended. The running/athletics store, Paddingtons, and Pizza Hut (albeit to Rothesay Ave) re-opened elsewhere, but nothing else did. Eternal chain vs local debate aside, I'm surprised McDonald's left the captive audience of two high schools and a large, carless, lower-income population.

There is nothing worth saving in the building other than the beautiful Scotiabank interior and the somewhat-recently-updated Delta. Both have their own entrances and would only be positively impacted by a severe overhaul to the site. There must be storefronts available who could take on the remaining BS holdouts like Cora's.

Regarding the exterior, simply carrying the brickwork on the King and Germain facades up the columns and the floor just below the setback would do wonders for the streetscape.

Did anything ever come of the self-storage proposal or was that quickly abandoned?
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What's surprised me about Brunswick Square is how few tenants relocated elsewhere uptown when their leases ended. The running/athletics store, Paddingtons, and Pizza Hut (albeit to Rothesay Ave) re-opened elsewhere, but nothing else did. Eternal chain vs local debate aside, I'm surprised McDonald's left the captive audience of two high schools and a large, carless, lower-income population.

There is nothing worth saving in the building other than the beautiful Scotiabank interior and the somewhat-recently-updated Delta. Both have their own entrances and would only be positively impacted by a severe overhaul to the site. There must be storefronts available who could take on the remaining BS holdouts like Cora's.

Regarding the exterior, simply carrying the brickwork on the King and Germain facades up the columns and the floor just below the setback would do wonders for the streetscape.

Did anything ever come of the self-storage proposal or was that quickly abandoned?
I haven’t heard anything about the self storage but I heard today that the top of king is a go. I hear an announcement will be coming soon.

Regarding McDonald’s, you would think that the students would be a huge customer base but the owner told me that they typically ordered low margin items or one burger and split it. It was not the moneymaker you would think.

Fast food is not the affordable meal it once was. A teen burger at A and W is close to 10 dollars now.
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I haven’t heard anything about the self storage but I heard today that the top of king is a go. I hear an announcement will be coming soon.
Can you elaborate on this? How reliable is your source? Or how confident you are in this? I’m not doubting what you are saying, just want to know more.
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I think a grocery store in Brunswick Square makes perfect sense. The landlord has been looking for a major tenant for some time. With the Fundy Quay and 99 King St (Hopefully) going up soon that will inject even more population in to the uptown. Not to mention the new French school going in to Market Square that will attract even more folks.

And if it is a new 'trendy' grocery store, you would likely see the younger generation flock there. They don't have issues with parking that the older generation complain about..
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Can you elaborate on this? How reliable is your source? Or how confident you are in this? I’m not doubting what you are saying, just want to know more.
I heard the same thing about 99 King St at the hockey game last night. I was reluctant to post it as I was not sure where the individual heard this from.
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Can you elaborate on this? How reliable is your source? Or how confident you are in this? I’m not doubting what you are saying, just want to know more.
That’s all I know but my source is usually reliable. Like anything in Saint John until I see shovels in the ground nothing is 100%
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That’s all I know but my source is usually reliable. Like anything in Saint John until I see shovels in the ground nothing is 100%
Any info on Ethos Ridge, or was that another pie in the sky waste of city resources like The Landmark?
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I haven’t heard anything about the self storage but I heard today that the top of king is a go. I hear an announcement will be coming soon.
I wonder if that addition/retail/condo post everyone was trying to guess last week was actually for this project. Perhaps the way to make it less of a financial burden on one developer they are going condominium vs. apartments? If so, that would make sense.
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I wonder if that addition/retail/condo post everyone was trying to guess last week was actually for this project. Perhaps the way to make it less of a financial burden on one developer they are going condominium vs. apartments? If so, that would make sense.
There's a chance it's for Ethos Ridge, too, all things considered.
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There's a chance it's for Ethos Ridge, too, all things considered.
I can't really see it being either, the listing in question said "Work Type: Addition/Alteration" which implies that it is related to an existing structure of some kind. Frankly that's more exciting to me, as it means potentially revitalizing one of our under-utilized spaces.
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Regarding the idea of a large grocery store in Brunswick Square, I would imagine the logistics of supplying that location with products would be a very difficult. The only road access they would have is either King St. or Germaine St. Large grocery stores need enough space for loading bays where two or more transport trucks can unload at a time. From my perspective, that would be the biggest challenge in opening a big box store of any kind in Brunswick Square.
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