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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 4:34 PM
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You are lucky, I can find anything decent. The prices are really getting out of control.

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Thanks for your insights prairieguy, very interesting to hear some inside talk about the very few developments in the city. Our market is really starting to get frustrating... I had designs on buying a condo of some kind (the Meridian, actually), but ended up buying a house because of the utter lack of units. We must have some kind of super special perfect storm of a market where demand is very high yet it is still cost prohibitive to build. I must say, that's a new one by me.
     
     
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It's good to see a such a high degree of interest in the 2nd Avenue Lofts. Getting people to live downtown, of course, is key to enlivening the place, This project is a good start. The amount of interest shown in this project should bode well for the redevelopment of the King George. Even though downtown Toon is relatively healthy, it's still pretty quiet most nights; a good number of businesses, including eateries, are open 9 to 5. I'd love to see this change.

Gotta keep looking at the positives in the face of the two highly anticipated projects now lost.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 4:56 PM
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I think a 30 storey condo development would fit in just perfect on the corner of 22nd st and 3rd ave. This would get more people downtown at night.

I wonder if anything is being planned for the old Extra Foods site. It has been a whole year now. I hope it doesn't stay a parking lot for years to come. A nice condo development would look great there too.

I keep thinking about my recent trip to Toronto. They have a lot of condo construction going on right downtown (right along Younge and College). I know it's not fair to compare Saskatoon to Toronto, but putting up condos right in the city cente would really add to our downtown. It seems that most of the condo development always accurs in the north part of our downtown, but having a few towers right in the centre would really be awsome. There are plenty on empty parking lots (corner of 3rd ave and 22nd st, the old Extra foods site, corner of 2nd ave and 24th st, corner of 4th ave and 20th st, empty lot on 2nd ave beside the BMO,,...........etc). Maybe if we keep talking about it, some developers out there will think about it.

THERE OBVIOUSLY IS DEMAND OUT THERE.

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It's good to see a such a high degree of interest in the 2nd Avenue Lofts. Getting people to live downtown, of course, is key to enlivening the place, This project is a good start. The amount of interest shown in this project should bode well for the redevelopment of the King George. Even though downtown Toon is relatively healthy, it's still pretty quiet most nights; a good number of businesses, including eateries, are open 9 to 5. I'd love to see this change.

Gotta keep looking at the positives in the face of the two highly anticipated projects now lost.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 5:02 PM
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The lot on the corner of 24th and 2nd is going to be what it was a before, which is completely boring and a waste of that space. Remerber Parktown Service or whatever is was called? The lend out vehicles to companies who need them for road trips for their employees (I've used them with my job, which is why I know this). They temporarily relocated to the old Konto building on 1st while the site was cleaned up (former Esso station). As soon as it is environmentally sound, it will likely return to being a one story boring mess. A condo tower would be perfect there, but, alas...

I'm holding out hope that the value of the property has increased to the point that they decided to sell (to a real developer!) and locate somewhere better suited to that use.
     
     
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There was an article on the front-page of the business section today (april 17) on the upswing in the real-estate market in Saskatoon (Albertans and former Saskatchewanites moving to/returning to Saskatoon).
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front page of what publication? Can you provide a link to the article?

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I wonder if anything is being planned for the old Extra Foods site.
As I may have mentioned a few times, a co-worker of mine's father owns that lot. A year ago he said the plan was for a small hotel. Six months ago he said they were doing a feasability study. A few weeks ago he said he wasn't even sure if his old boy still owned the lot (which sounds like BS).

That doesn't really answer your question, but it's the best I've got.


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The lot on the corner of 24th and 2nd is going to be what it was a before, which is completely boring and a waste of that space.
That's a shame. It's a perfect spot for a mixed use high rise. In fact that old MOB rendering would have fit nicely there. Too bad the economy can't handle high rise construction any more.
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front page of what publication? Can you provide a link to the article?

thanks.

I found it. From the Globe and Mail

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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 6:32 PM
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Thanks for the link. Not too sure this kind of attention in the Globe and Mail is a good thing. On one hand, it is great that those out east will read we are a hot market with lots of confidence from outside investors, but... that will keep contributing to our crazy real estate.

Can't we keep our cake and eat it too??!!
     
     
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Thanks for the link. Not too sure this kind of attention in the Globe and Mail is a good thing. On one hand, it is great that those out east will read we are a hot market with lots of confidence from outside investors, but... that will keep contributing to our crazy real estate.

Can't we keep our cake and eat it too??!!
Maybe this kind of national exposure might help lure construction companies to consider bidding on Saskatoon jobs. If construction costs are rising "30-50%" as recently quoted, a company from out of province can jack their prices by only 20% and be lowest bidder.

But I'm always ready to eat my words.......
     
     
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That's a good point. We can all hope that we could get some activity going on. I think the big problem is getting the labour, we are in a big shortage here.


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Maybe this kind of national exposure might help lure construction companies to consider bidding on Saskatoon jobs. If construction costs are rising "30-50%" as recently quoted, a company from out of province can jack their prices by only 20% and be lowest bidder.

But I'm always ready to eat my words.......

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Cameco-linked culture complex workable notion

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Published: Thursday, April 19, 2007

City officials and councillors should consider what could be lost before they shut the door for good on the possibility of Cameco building a head office on the site initially set aside for a hotel-spa development.

Cameco has outgrown its current location 11th Street and is spreading out to other sites to accommodate a rapidly growing administration as the world's largest uranium company struggles to meet exploding global demand for its product.

The combined impact of the end of the Cold War and the growing awareness of the dangers presented by global warming have helped to boost not only the credibility of nuclear energy but also the stock value of companies deemed critical to the industry.

This has created the best of times of Saskatoon-based Cameco.

It is also worth remembering that this company has a stellar record when it comes to public service. It's tough to find any major sporting, cultural or educational endeavour in Saskatoon that doesn't have Cameco's stamp on it somewhere.

Whether the company is tapped as a major donor or sponsor, or allows its executives the flexibility to take a lead in projects, Cameco has helped build the university, played a critical role in bringing the Canadian Light Source to the University of Saskatchewan, set up special programs to encourage Northerners -- and particularly First Nations people -- to obtain the science and math skills necessary to work in skilled jobs in the mining sector and contributed to cultural facilities in Saskatoon.

City officials understandably are concerned that an office tower in the centre of River Landing would leave a gaping dark hole in the development as soon as night falls and office workers go home.

But that doesn't preclude a proposal that would see the office portion form part of a grander complex designed (as set out in the city's initial request for expressions of interest) to: "Ensure River Landing will become a major destination for both residents and visitors."

Consultants who have studied this site and compared it to developments elsewhere insist that success depends on creating a mixed use environment that attracts people to this part of the riverbank at all hours of the day and evening, and in all seasons.

But there may be many ideas that a company such as Cameco could bring to the table that not only would meet those criteria but be unavailable without such private co-operation.

For example, Cameco has a strong record of promoting the interests of Northerners (last year it bought shares in UNOR, an exploration company dedicated to examining the potential locked up in Nunavut) and First Nations people.

While Canada has a number of smaller museums and even a portion of the Museum of Civilization in Gatineau, Que., dedicated to aspects of aboriginal culture, it doesn't have a national facility that speaks to the important role First Nations people played in this country's development. It also doesn't have an adequate format to explain to non-aboriginals and to visitors to Canada how the treaties came about and how these set the tone of peaceful Canadian development.

If not First Nations, it's worth remembering that former Cameco CEO Bernard Michel played a leading role in lobbying for the CLS. So, Cameco's connection to a science museum would also be a natural fit.

The corporation could also credibly support a museum dedicated to the peaceful use of uranium, the role it can play in reducing greenhouse emissions and the importance of the environment.

Similarly, its support for the arts could dictate a museum dedicated to artists, writers and performers on whose shoulders Canada expresses its identity.

For these to succeed, however, the federal government must be convinced not only of the need for such cultural facilities but also that it has a responsibility to fund national cultural institutions outside of the capital region.

Proponents of the Winnipeg-based Canadian Museum for Human Rights and the Calgary-based Portrait Gallery of Canada already are forcefully putting this argument forward. Considering our federal taxes disproportionately flow to federal facilities in Ottawa, Toronto, the province of Quebec and in the Atlantic region, it is an argument, one would hope, that western-based Prime Minister Stephen Harper appreciates.

Particularly if Saskatoon can put forward a proposal that, like the Alberta and Manitoba projects, carries with it a strong private-sector partner working on raising the capital needed to promote Canada's culture.

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Interesting opinion, I wonder if there is any truth behind it?

For obvious reasons I don't want to to see an office building go up, but suggesting Cameco would be interested in building something with an included destination center permits me to listen with an open mind.

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Why a River Landing site? Cameco could build on a number of downtown locations, but the good thing about this site is it's tied to a concept (R.L.) which has large public support; public support which Cameco would gladly piggy back for the sake of raising acceptance for the uranium/nuclear industry which still receives a bad rap(is that a good/bad thing? ) from some in the community.

This idea might be too little, too late. I never heard Cameco express with great interest for a River Landing office tower, but there was an article months ago in the SP that suggested such a move might occur.

Meh, such a proposal would never succeed with Saskatoon's rising construction costs, or would it
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2007, 7:36 PM
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I know someone that works at Cameco and there apparently has been some discussion about the potential of a re-location downtown because of the lack of space in its current location. This has all been speculative and certainly no firm intentions yet....but, there is always the possibility and it would be nice to see some new construction in downtown by one of the major world head offices (which Saskatoon does not have a lot of)

On another note, it was good to see the article on FLICK (a new trendy Martini lounge that opened recently). This adds to the energy and vibe of downtown Saskatoon and to the further sophistication of options for people in this small "big" city. Here is the article:

Bar owner wants to light up local scene

Shannon Boklaschuk
The StarPhoenix


Thursday, April 19, 2007


Mark Gabruch wanted his new downtown martini lounge to be "urban and edgy."

On April 3, Gabruch officially opened FLINT on Second Avenue South.

"It's a little martini lounge," Gabruch said, adding he hopes to capture the essence of some of the smaller bars that are found in bigger cities.

"It's a bit of a '60s kind of minimalist edge," he said of his bar's decor.

Gabruch, who's originally from a farm outside of North Battleford, lived in Calgary for about 10 years. While living in Alberta, he worked at bars while studying communications at the U of C.

About a year and a half ago, Gabruch moved to Saskatoon. Because he had worked as a bartender, opening FLINT was a natural fit for him.

He said he was excited about opening the martini lounge because it was "an opportunity to take an old building downtown and do something interesting with it.

"I was kind of hoping to expose some of the building itself and let the original materials speak for themselves," he said.

Gabruch said he's "quite amazed" with the public response to FLINT. He attributes some of that response to his downtown location.

"I get a lot of people walking past looking in. They might walk past on a Tuesday night and I see them in here on a Thursday."

Gabruch said he wanted to locate his business in the area so he could be a part of what's going on in the south downtown. "There's some really positive stuff happening with River Landing and that block where the cinema is. It's just brought so many people down here," he said.

In addition to serving about a dozen different kinds of martinis, FLINT also offers a variety of other beverages and has a small menu that includes items such as a calamari, ribs and ginger beef.

The business is open from 4 p.m. to 2 a.m. Tuesday through Saturday.

3 FLINT

Owner: Mark Gabruch

Address: 259 Second Ave. South

Telephone: 651-2255

source: http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoen...?id=8f8454cb-1b4b-40f4-ad59-2291fbf2f32e
     
     
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Cameco relocating downtown would be a dream come true. Of course i'd prefer that they put up a stand alone tower... say on 22nd and 3rd. But if them building in river landing is the only option i support it (i want a shiny new tower darnit!). but the editorial is right, it is likely that cameco would bring a good deal of investment to river landing that would help nurture other aspects of it.. such as the little discussed "destination centre." I like the idea of a nationally recognized first nations museum. a "uranium museum" is extremely lacklustre.

and to comment on that martini bar thats opened... its been very noticeable in s'toon in the last year or so how many more "big city" amenities we're getting in regards to the shops, bars and restaurants that are opening up. with people from calgary, edmonton and other bigger cities flocking back here we're going to see more and more of these urban, trendy, upscale places opening up
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I've been dreaming of a "shiny new tower" for about 26yrs now. Every time I drive over the broadway or university bridge and look at our skyline, I imagine what our downtown could look like. A 35 floor tower on the corner of 22nd st and 3rd ave would be awsome!

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Cameco relocating downtown would be a dream come true. Of course i'd prefer that they put up a stand alone tower... say on 22nd and 3rd. But if them building in river landing is the only option i support it (i want a shiny new tower darnit!). but the editorial is right, it is likely that cameco would bring a good deal of investment to river landing that would help nurture other aspects of it.. such as the little discussed "destination centre." I like the idea of a nationally recognized first nations museum. a "uranium museum" is extremely lacklustre.

and to comment on that martini bar thats opened... its been very noticeable in s'toon in the last year or so how many more "big city" amenities we're getting in regards to the shops, bars and restaurants that are opening up. with people from calgary, edmonton and other bigger cities flocking back here we're going to see more and more of these urban, trendy, upscale places opening up
     
     
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Another mention of Cameco looking at RiverLanding property for a head office in today's business section of the Star Phoenix.

As has been mentioned in previous posts, it would be absolutely fantastic to have Cameco locate downtown, but I hope they consider an alternative location to the river front. They could still take advantage of proximity to RiverLanding by building behind the Galaxy theatre.

It will be interesting to see how the City handles this, as it certainly doesn't fit with their current "vision".
     
     
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I think it would just be nice to see some f**king progress downtown. 25 years later, Atchie is still clinging to a spa/hotel, and nothing is built. I can see it coming, the hums and haws of council will delay anything until we settle for some shitty 2 story boutique hotel, and Cameco will relocate to Calgary.
     
     
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The word "mixed-use" has been thrown around a lot with regard to River Landing. An office tower, along with other uses on river bank, such as the under construction theatre, the river bank walkway itself, the planned destination centre, and other future buildings on that piece of land, would seem to be "mixed" enough for me. Yes, an office building may be vacant after 5pm. However, we have other hotels downtown and they are hardly hives of vibrant activity, and certainly not something that draws the locals to them. The Bess is gorgeous and is, without question, the jewel in the modest crown of our city. But it is its idealic location (on the river) and its surrounding uses (street furniture in the form of benches and art work, restaurants, the Bus Stop, etc) that makes it a draw for people who flock to that area. The hotel itself is largely scenery. In fact, one floor of the hotel is rented out as offices (it's a... wait for it... mixed-use building!). So how about an office tower/hotel? How about we be really forward (and skyward) thinking and build an office/hotel/condo tower? These actually exist in actual cities.

Having Cameco and their hundreds of workers downtown everyday cannot be a bad thing. The office bring people there by day, the theatre by night. The office tower could have a restaurant or bar or retail on the main floor. Personally, I'd also like to see Cameco build on a neglected piece of land like 22nd and 3rd or the other places mentioned in the article, but I am weary of impeding the potential of large office tower anywhere in our core. Having large corporate head offices is what downtowns are (in part) for. You want more people living downtown? Have more of their jobs there.
     
     
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Personally, I'd also like to see Cameco build on a neglected piece of land like 22nd and 3rd or the other places mentioned in the article, but I am weary of impeding the potential of large office tower anywhere in our core.
I agree, I would also like to see Cameco move to an unused parcel of land other than the riverbank. Several spots come to mind, most of them Impark lots:
  • 19th St - south of the Galaxy Theatre
  • 2nd Ave between the Continental Hotel and the provincial courthouse
  • NE corner of 20th St & 2nd Ave - kitty corner from the Galaxy Theatre
  • SW corner of 3rd Ave & 22nd St
  • SW corner 3rd Ave & 23rd St
  • NE corner of 20th St & 4th Ave
  • 21 St & Spadina Cres
  • SE corner of 1st Ave & 24th St
However, I can understand the frustration over the stalled projects from developers and naval-gazing from Atch. If Cameco could build a office tower with retail/restaurant development on the lower floor(s), it could still fit in with River Landing's stated intentions to draw in people.
     
     
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You want more people living downtown? Have more of their jobs there.
There's a lot of truth in that. I know for a fact Cameco is having difficulty in attracting young geoscience professionals to the city. The location of the offices, on the other side of a dodgey neighbourhood away from the action might be a factor.

No one mentions this much, but our other uranium miner, Areva, has also outgrown their offices and are now spilling over into warehouse space across the street. The city should be doing what it can to encourage them to relocate in the core as well.
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