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Old Posted Aug 8, 2023, 1:46 PM
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The original structure of the bridge looked quite dainty and fragile. Much lighter than the 1927 rebuilt structure to carry heavier trains.



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New bridge is great, users say — but Gatineau side's layout is not
Only one end of intersection of bridge exit and pathway has raised stop sign

Guy Quenneville · CBC News · Posted: Aug 08, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 2 hours ago




The newly-opened Chief William Commanda Bridge connecting Ottawa and Gatineau, Que., was packed with first-time visitors this long weekend, with several ooh-ing and ah-ing at the pedestrianized former Ottawa River rail crossing.

"Nice and wide," said Ottawa resident Mike Johansen. "Very calming."

"Neat to see a different perspective that we've never seen before," Johansen's riding companion Andrea Ryan added.

Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe, an avid runner, gave his own review Saturday, one day after he announced the crossing's eagerly-anticipated opening.

"Spectacular views of the river and downtown," he wrote on social media.

But some users have concerns about the T-junction at the Voyageurs Pathway that awaits cyclists, runners and pedestrians who exit the bridge on the Gatineau side.

"It's a little bit of a recipe for disaster," said cyclist Michèle Ménard-Foster.

While there's a stop sign on a pole facing users exiting the bridge, there isn't one for people headed east or west on the Voyageurs Pathway.

That's resulting in congestion that poses a safety risk, she said.

"People coming across their first time, they're not sure where they're going, so they have to make some quick decisions," Ménard-Foster said.

"It would be ideal if it was a three-way stop with lots more signage, especially for cyclists to be patient and give pedestrians priority, which is often something that I see on bike paths."

Gatineau cyclist Pierre Duguay called the new bridge "fantastic" Sunday morning, but echoed Ménard-Foster's concerns about the intersection.

"There's too [many] people so [it] could be dangerous. But they will fix it," Duguay said, noting that traffic will likely calm down once the fervour over the new bridge fades.

There are painted red stop signs on the pathway's surface, but they're chipped and faded. Riders rolled through both them and the bridge's stop sign on Sunday.

Some bridge users also pooled by the exit or in the middle of the pathway, adding to the congestion.

Both the City of Ottawa, which built the bridge, and the National Capital Commission, which oversees the Voyageurs Pathway, said they may not be in a positon to respond until Tuesday.

"Maybe [install] real stop signs," suggested Ryan, when asked what improvements could be made. "[People] might not stop, but at least they'll slow down, have a look, maybe."

Ménard-Foster said she witnessed "many, many" near-collisions.

"It's very narrow here too on the Gatineau bike path, so not much room to react and move aside," she said.

Once she got off the bridge, Ménard-Foster crossed over to the opposite side of the pathway — a dead end filled with crushed rock, but a refuge for cyclists trying to figure out where to head next.

"Thank goodness this is here," she said. "Because otherwise it would be a bit of a chaotic situation."

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Very true. A lot of trees too, so visibility isn't great. Both the Ottawa and Gatineau sides should have turning circles and plazas at each end to open sightlines and make it easier to choose your direction. Stopping and then launching again while turning isn't super easy.

The Lemieux Island stretch is also quite narrow. It would have been a good spot to add some passing lanes. The benches are also right on the pathway. A proper plaza with benches a bit further back would be better, along with a proper viewing area on the river.

I didn't notice any lighting on the bridges.
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I suspect that with the novelty of the new bridge it was busier than it normally will be once things settle down. People will also have a better idea of what they want to do once they get to the other side as they become regular users.

Having said that, widening the pathway on the Gatineau side to create a place for people to stop to either turn around or figure out what they want to do next, maybe also adding some benches. I haven't crossed it yet, but looking at the pictures, it seems to be a bit of a blind intersection, with trees/shrubs blocking sightlines between the bridge pathway and the Voyageurs Pathway.
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The Lemieux Island stretch is also quite narrow. It would have been a good spot to add some passing lanes. The benches are also right on the pathway. A proper plaza with benches a bit further back would be better, along with a proper viewing area on the river.
Lemieux island stretch is pretty glaring. There is an actual 1-metre wide gravel shoulder ready to be paved, but nope.

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The pathway is lit. Wish they lit up the bridge from the outside though.
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Lemieux island stretch is pretty glaring. There is an actual 1-metre wide gravel shoulder ready to be paved, but nope.
Kind of wonder if they were planning on making it wider (hence the gravel siding), but finished it like this just to open it. Still somewhat hopeful they will pave that extra width at some point.

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The pathway is lit. Wish they lit up the bridge from the outside though.
Hoping to see a picture soon. I was looking hard while biking through, but didn't see anything.

Some architectural lighting would have been nice, but I doubt they would have taken that extra step considering the other places where they stopped short of making this a truly great project.
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Kind of wonder if they were planning on making it wider (hence the gravel siding), but finished it like this just to open it. Still somewhat hopeful they will pave that extra width at some point.



Hoping to see a picture soon. I was looking hard while biking through, but didn't see anything.

Some architectural lighting would have been nice, but I doubt they would have taken that extra step considering the other places where they stopped short of making this a truly great project.
According to https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...d-465c631be7ab

The multi-use pathway will be put in service upon completion of the upper bridge works and will be safe for use. The remainder of the rehabilitation work is expected to be completed by the end of 2023 with minimal disruption to bridge users. Final cleanup work will be completed by summer 2024.

From another article it says " additional rehabilitation work to the piers and the pathway connecting to Lemieux Island will continue until the summer of 2024. "


The original mandate was 12 benches...any one know how many exist now?

So...there is hope?

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Kind of wonder if they were planning on making it wider (hence the gravel siding), but finished it like this just to open it. Still somewhat hopeful they will pave that extra width at some point.



Hoping to see a picture soon. I was looking hard while biking through, but didn't see anything.

Some architectural lighting would have been nice, but I doubt they would have taken that extra step considering the other places where they stopped short of making this a truly great project.
From a couple of weeks ago:

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Is the walk via the Chief William Commanda Bridge and the Zibi development worth it or are portions of this loop unpleasant?
Commanda + Chaudiere is a good combo.
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"Maybe [install] real stop signs," suggested Ryan, when asked what improvements could be made. "[People] might not stop, but at least they'll slow down, have a look, maybe."
I would have stopped after "people might not stop".

There is way too much dangerous MAMIL biking going on on the Voyageur path, and in the worst possible places where the sightlines are short.
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According to https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...d-465c631be7ab

The original mandate was 12 benches...any one know how many exist now?

So...there is hope?
I want to say four. One in Ottawa, one in Gatineau and two on Lemieux.

EDIT - revising my answer to probably 8. I re-watched the video, and Lemieux has 6. Video does not show the benches on each shore, but I'm pretty positive we only have one at each end.

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Thanks! Yeah, really missing something without architectural lighting on the outside of the bridge structure.
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Most of that article is about that T-intersection on the Gatineau side, but honestly it's a nothingburger. Cyclists leaving the bridge are forced to stop and cyclists riding on the MUP West<->East are super slow because the approach is uphill. They won't go faster than 10kmh.

If only all these car-blind concerned residents and reporters paid attention to the actual problems with garbage infrastructure. The same Voyageurs pathway is just blocked completely along Alexandre-Taché with no detour and no fix in sight, and nobody cares. Even though it would've been trivial to fix it by designating one car lane to it.

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When I saw your photo, I thought you were going to talk about the blind intersection 10-feet behind where the picture was taken, where a blind junction is coupled with train tracks, a light standard, curbs, and a four-way intersection lol

Many more close encounters crossing the train tracks and turning east that anywhere else on the path.

Is there seriously no detour or cycling signage to get around the blockade? Wow. #Fail

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Most of that article is about that T-intersection on the Gatineau side, but honestly it's a nothingburger. Cyclists leaving the bridge are forced to stop and cyclists riding on the MUP West<->East are super slow because the approach is uphill. They won't go faster than 10kmh.

If only all these car-blind concerned residents and reporters paid attention to the actual problems with garbage infrastructure. The same Voyageurs pathway is just blocked completely along Alexandre-Taché with no detour and no fix in sight, and nobody cares. Even though it would've been trivial to fix it by designating one car lane to it.

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When I saw your photo, I thought you were going to talk about the blind intersection 10-feet behind where the picture was taken, where a blind junction is coupled with train tracks, a light standard, curbs, and a four-way intersection lol

Many more close encounters crossing the train tracks and turning east that anywhere else on the path.

Is there seriously no detour or cycling signage to get around the blockade? Wow. #Fail
Ah it's a good one, I'm so used to it I even forgot about it. That corner badly needs a convex mirror. 50 bucks, probably cheaper than one of the hundred "no diving" signs on the bridge.

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Most of that article is about that T-intersection on the Gatineau side, but honestly it's a nothingburger. Cyclists leaving the bridge are forced to stop and cyclists riding on the MUP West<->East are super slow because the approach is uphill. They won't go faster than 10kmh.

If only all these car-blind concerned residents and reporters paid attention to the actual problems with garbage infrastructure. The same Voyageurs pathway is just blocked completely along Alexandre-Taché with no detour and no fix in sight, and nobody cares. Even though it would've been trivial to fix it by designating one car lane to it.

This is quite bad. Didn't even bother to add a curb-cut (nor did they on the Champlain Bridge detour) or bike lanes (they did give us that on Champlain).
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Is this blocked because they are concerned the building is going to collapse?
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Is this blocked because they are concerned the building is going to collapse?
"Crumbling masonry"
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Dismantle the building systematically; warehouse it; use it to re-face the future Hull LRT station.
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This is a pretty heavily used section of path as well, such a shame
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New bridge is great, users say — but Gatineau side's layout is not
Only one end of intersection of bridge exit and pathway has raised stop sign
in my experience a lot of users ignore signs and/or dilly dally at the ends of Corkstown and Adawe too, i feel like this is just a common symptom whenever cyclists are faced with choice
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in my experience a lot of users ignore signs and/or dilly dally at the ends of Corkstown and Adawe too, i feel like this is just a common symptom whenever cyclists are faced with choice
It might be a general reflection of broader dilly-dallying, which people do at the top of escalators, in elevator doors, etc.
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