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Old Posted Nov 18, 2024, 8:12 PM
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My understanding is the mushroom building is actually kicking the labs out. I think they are renovating the space into more offices.
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My understanding is the mushroom building is actually kicking the labs out. I think they are renovating the space into more offices.
thats nutz wonder why one would get rid of high end labslike that
     
     
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thats nutz wonder why one would get rid of high end labslike that
Limits in usefulness possibly?
     
     
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Limits in usefulness possibly?
kinda one of the only few labs of its kind in the world
     
     
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My understanding is the mushroom building is actually kicking the labs out. I think they are renovating the space into more offices.
Depends on the research activities. I know a laboratory which is short of both lab and office space, but is hurting for office space more. It was built before the computational side of the field really took off, and was designed before it was possible to appreciate just how much new office/dry lab space would ultimately be required.

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kinda one of the only few labs of its kind in the world
I am not an Ag guy. What makes this facility so rare?
     
     
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Isn't the lab side the whole point of that new accelerator being proposed at Lombard and Westbrook?
     
     
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The purpose of the new facility is to replace the one they are being leaving/kicked out of.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2024, 5:37 PM
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So what's the over/under on the big vote today? Is Winnipeg going to commit to urbanizing?
     
     
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I'm watching the meeting now and much as I dislike Russ Wyatt and his actions of the past, he asks the right questions and does a good job ensuring understanding of the issue.

He's speaking specifically about Nairn Ave and the future RT corridor, and the impacts this may have on acquiring the land necessary for that corridor along the south side of Nairn. Ie: somebody builds a 75' high building at the property line which precludes the future RT corridor.
     
     
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So what's the over/under on the big vote today? Is Winnipeg going to commit to urbanizing?
I think in generally such things are negotiated in advance to ensure passage.
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I'm watching the meeting now and much as I dislike Russ Wyatt and his actions of the past, he asks the right questions and does a good job ensuring understanding of the issue.

He's speaking specifically about Nairn Ave and the future RT corridor, and the impacts this may have on acquiring the land necessary for that corridor along the south side of Nairn. Ie: somebody builds a 75' high building at the property line which precludes the future RT corridor.
Are they voting soon?
     
     
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It's a special meeting with 3 agenda items. The meeting is scheduled to 6pm. Not sure if they vote on each individual item or will blanket vote at the end.

I joined in part way through and was listening to them talk. So not sure where they're at. I'm guessing they're still on item 1 based on the discussions about corridors. The other 2 items are secondary plan amendments specific to certain areas that the discussion was not focused on.
     
     
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Here's hoping they pass the zoning and SP amendments but the City's really going to need to get the NE sewage treatment plant expansion going if we want to see any real densification take place in the next decade. Only 4-6 years capacity remaining is bonkers!

How is it possible that so many administrations dropped the ball on this file over the years?!?
     
     
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Here's hoping they pass the zoning and SP amendments but the City's really going to need to get the NE sewage treatment plant expansion going if we want to see any real densification take place in the next decade. Only 4-6 years capacity remaining is bonkers!

How is it possible that so many administrations dropped the ball on this file over the years?!?
Now is the time for them to get every penny they can from the Province and Feds while the spending party is still on nationally. Getting this built will be a lot harder in a few years post election.
     
     
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Sewage is expensive and non-sexy for voters. I'd bet most people have no idea the size and cost of the works going on there.

This is the first I've heard of the capacity issues though. TBF I've loosely been paying attention.
     
     
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I usually don’t discuss rumours that I have heard in which I don’t have any insider information on, but I was recently told that the mayor and premier are sitting on some information relating to a very large project that should be announced in the near future.

I do not know if it is commercial, residential or industrial.

It sounded interesting. Honestly, not knowing anything more than that I would have to guess it would be industrial/manufacturing related.

Guess away boys and girls.
theres a small tease about this it apears in the summer 2024 manitoba inc mag just reading through the new head of EDW mentions a small tease in an interview in it
just stumbled onto it a minut ago board at the lynn lake water plant waiting to do numbers for the day
     
     
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How is it possible that so many administrations dropped the ball on this file over the years?!?

they might of been trying but how do you pay for it when the city turns around makes the increases u ask for to pay for stuff then the next minut its clawing that money away from the utility into gerneral revenue for the city
     
     
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Here's hoping they pass the zoning and SP amendments but the City's really going to need to get the NE sewage treatment plant expansion going if we want to see any real densification take place in the next decade. Only 4-6 years capacity remaining is bonkers!

How is it possible that so many administrations dropped the ball on this file over the years?!?
A couple of reasons I'd throw out there:
1. The City grew really fast in 2023 and likely in 2024, and this jump in population beyond what we would normally expect has eaten up some portion of capacity. Imagine the city getting 5 to 6 year's worth of typical population growth in 2 years - this would reduce the buffer room of available capacity at the NE sewage plant quickly.
2. While our water/sewer rates are low to middle of the pack for major Canadian cities, the annual bill for the typical household is approaching the average municipal property tax bill. In the past, Council has used utility dividends to delay (inevitable) property tax increases because water rate increases are more politically palatable. This eats into the utility's ability to service debt payments when $30M to $40M is shuffled over to the city's general revenue fund. The utility dividend is roughly equivalent to a 6% property tax increase, with the flip side being a water/sewer bill that's about 11% higher than it otherwise would be.
3. If Winnipeggers have to solely fund treatment plant upgrades, water and sewer rates would need to effectively double over night to service the required long-term debt. No politician wants to sign their name next to that. So, instead they beg the Province and Feds to kick in some cash. Which brings me to my next point:
4. Previous conservative provincial government wasn't on good terms with the previous Council, so negotiating for money for this project was more difficult.
5. Construction inflation has been crazy since COVID, which has substantially pushed up the price of this project. It's also very specialized. We're not just moving mud or pouring concrete to build a road here, this is a very niche project with specific requirements. We don't just plop this type of technology and infrastructure down every day in Canada, so equipment, tools, consultants, etc., are all very specialized for a project of this scope.

However, I am in general agreement that this city has insufficiently planned its infrastructure and required revenue streams for overall economic and population growth because the political mentality of decision makers seems to still be firmly rooted in the 1990s, when Winnipeg wasn't growing and high property taxes made Winnipeg feel uncompetitive. Things have changed, but politics hasn't. So now municipal politicians have resorted to begging other levels of government for even more money (spoiler alert: there is only one taxpayer, us) instead of using the existing set of revenue tools because begging gets you reelected but more taxes doesn't.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2024, 8:16 PM
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they might of been trying but how do you pay for it when the city turns around makes the increases u ask for to pay for stuff then the next minut its clawing that money away from the utility into gerneral revenue for the city
For starters the City could have raised property taxes so that they were at least comparable to other major cities in Canada.
     
     
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The need for upgrades go back all the way to me as a kid in the 90's reading about NEWPCC needing upgrades in the Free Press over morning cereal.. This is not just a last few years issue.

It's a deliberate decision based on property tax freezes and other sexy projects to gather votes.
     
     
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