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Old Posted Mar 9, 2025, 8:56 PM
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I think what's going to happen is staggered construction. So we can expect Phase 1 (Waterfront-Kootenay, Lonsdale-Metrotown) by the 2040s at the latest, but Phases 2 and 3 (Kootenay-Kensington, Lonsdale-Park Royal, Metrotown-Kerrisdale) will have to wait another decade or two.
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2025, 9:31 PM
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I think what's going to happen is staggered construction. So we can expect Phase 1 (Waterfront-Kootenay, Lonsdale-Metrotown) by the 2040s at the latest, but Phases 2 and 3 (Kootenay-Kensington, Lonsdale-Park Royal, Metrotown-Kerrisdale) will have to wait another decade or two.
But isn't that totally ignoring that COV wants funding for a UBCx line extension?
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2025, 9:35 PM
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But isn't that totally ignoring that COV wants funding for a UBCx line extension?
Like Sheba said, it'll probably be UBCx in the early-mid 2030s, then Purple and Gold after that. There's a line between pessimistic and defeatist.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 2:36 AM
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honestly, I don't think skytrain to the north shore will get built within our life time. Even if funding is not an issue (ha!), they are going to spend decades debating and studying where to build the 3rd crossing. Lions gate will never get twinned. As for Iron Workers, they are going to refurbish it as much as they can to extend its shelf life. Just look at how long it took them to get started on replacing Patullo and Massey.

At most we'll get a line between metrotown to brentwood, then it gets extended to hastings decades later.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 5:02 AM
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Mark V trains will start testing during regular service hours, first train still on for entering service this spring.

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2025/03/testing-for-new-mark-v-train-underway/
Translink Instagram post from Today's Mark V train movement.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHAWVfCRXRK/?img_index=4&igsh=a2V2ODRxZml4ZmI4
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new trolley busses will be from Poland?

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 12:37 PM
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new trolley busses will be from Poland?
Poland has come a long way since it cast off the shackles of the Soviets. Let's hope it stays that way.
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new trolley busses will be from Poland?
Yes, Solaris will build the initial order to replace the trolley fleet in Poland. They're an established bus supplier who recently saw an opportunity to enter the North American market as bus fleets are decarbonising. The company that owns Solaris is Spanish.

BC Ferries ordered the replacement Salish class vessels from a Polish shipyard about a decade ago. There were a few teething problems, but once those were solved they seem to have been reliable.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 4:33 PM
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Solaris had a 1600 vehicle backlog at the end of 2024.

https://www.cafmobility.com/en/press-room/solaris-wins-first-contract-canada/

This article says they are in consideration for BRT routes

https://www.urban-transport-magazine.com...ket-a-new-trolleybus-fleet-in-vancouver/
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 5:11 PM
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Solaris had a 1600 vehicle backlog at the end of 2024.

https://www.cafmobility.com/en/press-room/solaris-wins-first-contract-canada/

This article says they are in consideration for BRT routes

https://www.urban-transport-magazine.com...ket-a-new-trolleybus-fleet-in-vancouver/
It looks like that's a translation of a Spanish website. I don't think it means that the 1,600 buses are overdue for delivery, I think it means they have been ordered and in the manufacturing stream.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 5:57 PM
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Seems like it won't be included for that exact reason. The Purple line is close to 20KM & a new Second Narrows Bridge. Wouldn't the costs be up in the 15B range making it even more challenging to get funding?
Remember that the province has stated that the IWMB still has at least 30 years worth of life left in it. The only study released showing a new bridge was the quick and dirty one done by the North Shore cities who want more lanes.

If we just built a new SkyTrain bridge it's a HUGE cost savings. The SkyBridge cost only 63 million in 2023 dollars.

Also we just have to think larger scale. The regional benefits would be fantastic for both road and transit users alike. Montreal just announced an 18 billion dollar Tram. I think we could rally behind a 10+ billion dollar project that benefits everyone, especially since transit is a bipartisan issue now.
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The $18 Billion tram thing in Montreal is W I L D. Was originally supposed to be part of the REM, but NIMBYs got ahold of it and dumbed it down to something more expensive and far less functional.

It would be like building the Metrotown to Park Royal/Purple Line AND Gold line as on-street tramway for 15+ Billion
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You know when your government pension fund that's built decent in-house knowledge about building and operating transit pulls out of the project, you've got a bad project. This is like the Surrey LRT boondoggle but for 10x the price

Let's do the smart thing and stick with Skytrain here for anything between a bus and Regional Rail service.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 7:13 PM
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Let's do the smart thing and stick with Skytrain here for anything between a bus and Regional Rail service.
I couldn't agree more, but we also need to make sure that we don't nickle-and-dime the project the way the Canada Line was. Stations need to long enough to allow for plenty of future growth, and it sure would be nice to have more exits. Toronto did it right over 70 years ago by building their first lines with 150 metre platforms which had exits on all four corners of the intersection. Without that foresight they would have run out of capacity long ago.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 8:33 PM
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I couldn't agree more, but we also need to make sure that we don't nickle-and-dime the project the way the Canada Line was. Stations need to long enough to allow for plenty of future growth, and it sure would be nice to have more exits. Toronto did it right over 70 years ago by building their first lines with 150 metre platforms which had exits on all four corners of the intersection. Without that foresight they would have run out of capacity long ago.
In terms of station construction, we thankfully have learned some lessons since the Canada Line was built, where the underground stations of the Broadway subway are much better designed for future expansion. Even the above ground stations for the SLS expansion have a bit more thought put into them than previous surface expansions, however it's much easier to make changes to an above ground station in the future than underground ones.

In terms of tech, if we are going to go with something other than the Innovia metros we really need something that beats it in terms of operating profile. Unlike the Rotem units on the Canada Line which just have worse operating profiles resulting in a substantially lower average operating speed (among the many other issues). Even looking at the Metropolis units used for the REM in Montreal (and Sydney Metro among other nice shiny new examples), they don't have substantially better operating profiles than the Innovia metros, so we really shouldn't be adding a third technology unless it truly is better (or serves a different type of operating profile entirely like regional rail/high speed rail, although those should inherently have better average operating speeds than light metros).

The mistake of the Surrey LRT (and the upcoming Montreal Tram, which I hope meets a similar fate) was not understanding that transit needs to be better than driving in order to compete with driving and actually take cars off the road. In order to not make that mistake we need to make sure that the transit that is built is substantially faster than driving between the destinations on the line wherever that may be. If taking transit between just the stations themselves isn't faster than driving, you're certainly not convincing anyone who drives to switch and therefore you lose the incentive for drivers to support the project.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2025, 10:43 PM
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In terms of station construction, we thankfully have learned some lessons since the Canada Line was built, where the underground stations of the Broadway subway are much better designed for future expansion.
We knew those things when the Canada Line was built, we were just too cheap to implement them.
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We knew those things when the Canada Line was built, we were just too cheap to implement them.
That's what happens when you let Kevin Falcon be the minister responsible for transit I guess
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How many Mark V train sets are now in Translinks possession?
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2025, 10:46 PM
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How many Mark V train sets are now in Translinks possession?
I think three unless there's been some new deliveries since November.
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I think three unless there's been some new deliveries since November.
The Daily Hive article linked a page or two back (regarding the power project) mentions the following:
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According to a TransLink board of directors report in December 2024, one new train from the order is expected to arrive every month in 2025, and there could be up to 10 to 12 new trains in service by the end of this year.
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