Atlantic Canadian Politics Thread

[TitleRequired]

The denial is strong in this one. NDP candidate for SJ East.

It should be entertaining to see how irrelevant the ndp has become provincially.

Over/Under on beating the Thomason results?

[TitleRequired]

New Items:
1. Kickoff for the PCs is September 19 in Quispamsis.
2. A rare kick in David Coon's shins by asking:
David Coon and Green Party candidates need to come clean and tell voters BEFORE the election where they plan to build new supervised injection sites. Also: there is no such thing as "safe" heroin injections, Mr. Coon.

let the rumble in the drive through province begin!

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

New Items:
1. Kickoff for the PCs is September 19 in Quispamsis.
2. A rare kick in David Coon's shins by asking:
David Coon and Green Party candidates need to come clean and tell voters BEFORE the election where they plan to build new supervised injection sites. Also: there is no such thing as "safe" heroin injections, Mr. Coon.

let the rumble in the drive through province begin!

Why exactly should anyone trust Higgs to clean up the drugs from our cities when he’s been premier for 6 years and the drug problems in our cities have gotten progressively worse?

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

There’s a Kingston in Atlantic Canada?

I’ve heard Portland, ME makes Saint John look tame regarding open drug use…

You want local? Here you go....

https://www.country94.ca/2024/09/13/man-seriously-hurt-in-saint-john-stabbing-police/

Waterloo Village......surprise, surprise.

The more the courts continue with catch and release for frequent flyers the more stories like this we will be seeing.

[drewber]

Originally Posted by sailor734

You want local? Here you go....

https://www.country94.ca/2024/09/13/man-seriously-hurt-in-saint-john-stabbing-police/

Waterloo Village......surprise, surprise.

The more the courts continue with catch and release for frequent flyers the more stories like this we will be seeing.

Nothing in the article about drugs being involved. It just as easily could have been a domestic dispute. But please do go off.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by drewber

Nothing in the article about drugs being involved. It just as easily could have been a domestic dispute. But please do go off.

Superintendent Chalmers voice: "A domestic dispute? In the Loyalist Burial Ground? At 11 PM?"

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

The denial is strong in this one. NDP candidate for SJ East.

It should be entertaining to see how irrelevant the ndp has become provincially.

Over/Under on beating the Thomason results?

This might be the most NDP picture I can imagine. Do they perform better? I think so, because it's REALLY hard to underperform 6,220 votes and 1.66%, especially with Liberals tacking to the centre. Depends on if they run notably more than the 33 candidates they ran last time. They're at 25 before the writ, so, probably. I've mentally got them around 3.5% if they get candidates in 90% of seats.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by drewber

Nothing in the article about drugs being involved. It just as easily could have been a domestic dispute. But please do go off.

Sure.....nothing definite BUT stabbing took place on Waterloo....victim found in Loyalist Burial Ground......no arrest made. Not 100% sure thing but odds are pretty good.

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

I'm not sure how much relevance this has here but the Lobster fisherman of LFA36 which stretches from St. Stephen to Alma are planning a protest tomorrow in St. Andrews. 60+ boats are expected to anchor in St. Andrews harbour tonight and tomorrow.
Here's the press release. "For Immediate Release:

Peaceful Protest Against Fisheries Minister Diane Lebouthillier: Fishermen Demand Resignation Over Mismanagement and Lack of Enforcement

St. Andrews, NB — September 12, 2024

Local fishermen from Lobster Fishing Area 36 will gather in St. Andrews on September 14th as a mass showing of the fleet to protest what they describe as Fisheries Minister Diane Lebouthillier's continued mismanagement and failure to address critical issues in the industry. The protest comes in the wake of widespread frustration over the lack of enforcement on the water in LFA 36, a critical fishing zone for New Brunswick communities. It is also noted that the lack of enforcement in Southwest Nova Scotia has enabled a booming illegal lobster fishery.

The Fundy North Fishermen's Association represents the lobster, scallop, groundfish, river, and weir fisheries across LFA 36, from Alma to St. Stephen including Campobello Island and Deer Island. The association is calling for Minister Lebouthillier's resignation, citing mismanagement, a lack of support for fishery officers, and the neglect of critical enforcement measures against illegal fishing in the Bay of Fundy.

Key Issues Leading to the Protest:
➡️ Absence of Enforcement: FNFA and LFA 36 fishermen are alarmed by the ongoing absence of fishery officer patrols on the water in LFA 36, which has allowed illegal fishing and buying activities to continue unchallenged, threatening the livelihoods of local fishermen who operate within the law.

➡️ Fisheries Officer Strikes: FNFA supports the decision of Canadian fisheries officers to refuse work due to the Minister’s earlier statements that accused them of racism. Fishermen believe officers are being restricted from performing their duties due to lack of support from DFO leadership.

➡️ Mismanagement of the Fishery: FNFA is calling out the political agenda driving fishery management, sidelining input from fish harvesters and scientific research. FNFA insists that sustainable management practices must be restored to protect the industry.

Demands of the Protest:
The protesters demand that Minister Lebouthillier:

1. Acknowledge the Mismanagement: Publicly address the impact of her department's mismanagement on both the fishery officers and licensed fishermen across the country.

2. Provide a Solution: Implement an enforcement plan and restore order in the region by a specified deadline, or risk local fishermen taking matters into their own hands to patrol the waters.

3. Resign from Office: FNFA asserts that Minister Lebouthillier has failed to protect the sustainability and fairness of the Atlantic Canadian fishery and should step down immediately.

Protest Details:
When: September 14, 2024, 10AM
Where: St. Andrews Harbour/Market Square, St. Andrews, NB

FNFA will continue to stand united with other fishing associations in Atlantic Canada in calling for the Minister’s resignation, citing her ongoing failure to address the concerns of the industry."

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by CharlotteCountyLogan

I'm not sure how much relevance this has here but the Lobster fisherman of LFA36 which stretches from St. Stephen to Alma are planning a protest tomorrow in St. Andrews. 60+ boats are expected to anchor in St. Andrews harbour tonight and tomorrow.
Here's the press release. "For Immediate Release:

Peaceful Protest Against Fisheries Minister Diane Lebouthillier: Fishermen Demand Resignation Over Mismanagement and Lack of Enforcement

St. Andrews, NB — September 12, 2024

Local fishermen from Lobster Fishing Area 36 will gather in St. Andrews on September 14th as a mass showing of the fleet to protest what they describe as Fisheries Minister Diane Lebouthillier's continued mismanagement and failure to address critical issues in the industry. The protest comes in the wake of widespread frustration over the lack of enforcement on the water in LFA 36, a critical fishing zone for New Brunswick communities. It is also noted that the lack of enforcement in Southwest Nova Scotia has enabled a booming illegal lobster fishery.

The Fundy North Fishermen's Association represents the lobster, scallop, groundfish, river, and weir fisheries across LFA 36, from Alma to St. Stephen including Campobello Island and Deer Island. The association is calling for Minister Lebouthillier's resignation, citing mismanagement, a lack of support for fishery officers, and the neglect of critical enforcement measures against illegal fishing in the Bay of Fundy.

Key Issues Leading to the Protest:
➡️ Absence of Enforcement: FNFA and LFA 36 fishermen are alarmed by the ongoing absence of fishery officer patrols on the water in LFA 36, which has allowed illegal fishing and buying activities to continue unchallenged, threatening the livelihoods of local fishermen who operate within the law.

➡️ Fisheries Officer Strikes: FNFA supports the decision of Canadian fisheries officers to refuse work due to the Minister’s earlier statements that accused them of racism. Fishermen believe officers are being restricted from performing their duties due to lack of support from DFO leadership.

➡️ Mismanagement of the Fishery: FNFA is calling out the political agenda driving fishery management, sidelining input from fish harvesters and scientific research. FNFA insists that sustainable management practices must be restored to protect the industry.

Demands of the Protest:
The protesters demand that Minister Lebouthillier:

1. Acknowledge the Mismanagement: Publicly address the impact of her department's mismanagement on both the fishery officers and licensed fishermen across the country.

2. Provide a Solution: Implement an enforcement plan and restore order in the region by a specified deadline, or risk local fishermen taking matters into their own hands to patrol the waters.

3. Resign from Office: FNFA asserts that Minister Lebouthillier has failed to protect the sustainability and fairness of the Atlantic Canadian fishery and should step down immediately.

Protest Details:
When: September 14, 2024, 10AM
Where: St. Andrews Harbour/Market Square, St. Andrews, NB

FNFA will continue to stand united with other fishing associations in Atlantic Canada in calling for the Minister’s resignation, citing her ongoing failure to address the concerns of the industry."

This is just one of the worries. The quota cut to herring and mackerel is also going to hit the fishermen hard this year.

Added to the current strife in lfa34 regarding fishing out of season.

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

This is just one of the worries. The quota cut to herring and mackerel is also going to hit the fishermen hard this year.

Added to the current strife in lfa34 regarding fishing out of season.

2 things
1) yes bait is a big concern amongst the fisherman this fall. There hasn't been much of a herring catch this year and most of the catch has gone stateside.
2) everyone is being hit by illegal/out of season fishing. What is needed is a big strike that includes fisherman from all across the Maritimes. I just left the protest that happened today and it was a good turnout. Unfortunately no federal politicians showed up and no one from fisheries did either.

[sailor734]

So what's the background story about all the poaching and the refusal of DFO officers to patrol and undertake enforcement? I think I read they are claiming "unsafe working conditions" Is it lack sufficient officers assigned or what?

[MonctonRad]

B.C. to expand involuntary care for those with addiction issues
Premier David Eby made a public safety pitch Sunday, announcing mental health units at correctional facilities
CBC News · Posted: Sep 15, 2024 3:18 PM ADT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-involuntary-care-addiction-1.7324079

The B.C. government has announced it will expand involuntary care for those with mental health and addictions issues, and will open "highly secure" facilities to house people detained under the Mental Health Act throughout the province.

Premier David Eby announced Sunday that the government would open mental health units at correctional facilities throughout the province, as well as regional facilities that would provide long-term care and housing for those with mental health needs.

Vancouverites have lost patience with public drug use, homeless encampments and rising crime in the city, especially the downtown east side.

Without passing too much in terms of commentary, I think it is safe to say that many NBers feel the same, and, if Higgs goes about this the right way, this potentially could be a winning issue for him in the big three cities in the upcoming election.

In other words, science be damned, the people want something, anything to be done to correct the issue as quickly as possible. Safe injection sites are useful, but, should not be misconstrued with governmental endorsement of a harmful lifestyle, and, transgressions such as drug use outside of these environments, unrestricted homeless camps and criminal activity will not be tolerated.

[new kid in town]

Surprised there are no articles yet about nurses and their disposition towards Higgs, what with the contract rejection and the travel nurses being cited as the reason we went from consecutive surpluses to a deficit.

[MonctonRad]

The travel nurse controversy has less to do with the nurses themselves than it does with lack of fiscal responsibility by administrators, especially at Vitalite.

This is where the blame lies.

[new kid in town]

But it's strongly tied to Higgs telling NB nurses to go out west if they wanted more money--only for our province to spend the most on travel nurses instead of retaining NB nurses. It's blatant and extreme hypocrisy to the fullest.

The kerfuffle about the lawsuit on the DECH ER naming 2 nurses publicly, too, is causing brewing resentment among nurses, since it is strongly rooted in staffing ratio and poor retention.

LPNs and RNs are now under one union, too. Could be a sizeable block that isn't being given as much attention this coming election.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

B.C. to expand involuntary care for those with addiction issues
Premier David Eby made a public safety pitch Sunday, announcing mental health units at correctional facilities
CBC News · Posted: Sep 15, 2024 3:18 PM ADT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-involuntary-care-addiction-1.7324079



Vancouverites have lost patience with public drug use, homeless encampments and rising crime in the city, especially the downtown east side.

Without passing too much in terms of commentary, I think it is safe to say that many NBers feel the same, and, if Higgs goes about this the right way, this potentially could be a winning issue for him in the big three cities in the upcoming election.

In other words, science be damned, the people want something, anything to be done to correct the issue as quickly as possible. Safe injection sites are useful, but, should not be misconstrued with governmental endorsement of a harmful lifestyle, and, transgressions such as drug use outside of these environments, unrestricted homeless camps and criminal activity will not be tolerated.

If the ndp in hippy land think that this is a good idea, “h”, “e”, double hockey sticks has frozen over.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

If the ndp in hippy land think that this is a good idea, “h”, “e”, double hockey sticks has frozen over.

When there's an election in 5 weeks everyone starts acting a little sensible.

[sailor734]

A couple of things. Pending election sure but BC has long been at the epicentre of the homelessness/drug abuse crisis and are further down the path of social decline than NB.

In any event it certainly makes Higgs' musings about compulsory treatment look less "out there"

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by sailor734

A couple of things. Pending election sure but BC has long been at the epicentre of the homelessness/drug abuse crisis and are further down the path of social decline than NB.

In any event it certainly makes Higgs' musings about compulsory treatment look less "out there"

I did not have this event on my 2024 politics bingo card.

Every time this was brought up locally, cbc would immediately have a hit piece with experts saying how it's a bad idea. And when the only other example of this is Alberta it was an easy smear that this was somehow far right driven.

That argument evaporated over the weekend. And the 'experts' will be left with both parties in BC having this as a plank in their platform.

Susan Holt has met and consulted with Dr. Sara Davidson numerous times in recent months according to her X posts. Obviously it would be too early to tell if this could be an item during our election in NB, but I would be surprised if there was any shift from the Liberals.

The liberals may get caught out not reading the room.