YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 618

vanlaw · #**12341** Posted **Jan 6, 2018, 1:19 AM**

Leftcoaster - is there a way to pin your fantastic YVR route/carrier/frequency spreadsheet somewhere in this thread? I find myself digging back through pages from time to time to try to find it.

Edit: found the latest one on page 595

Johnny Aussie · #**12342** Posted **Jan 6, 2018, 6:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

WRT the intl MLL the upstairs was still closed over xmas when I went there. The chef's station is only active during lunch and dinner times AFAIK, so if you are there mid afternoon or evenings you may be out of luck for fresh cooked food. no more self-access for spirits (you have to ask a bartender now, like at MLL LHR), but the beer tap is still freely-accessed, right by the other dispensed drinks (for some reason, unlike LHR...)

Hmmm. With the three Aussie flights, plus UA to ORD and BR to TPE I would hope for a decent selection in the late evening... will find out tomorrow!

nname · #**12343** Posted **Jan 6, 2018, 8:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Hmmm. With the three Aussie flights, plus UA to ORD and BR to TPE I would hope for a decent selection in the late evening... will find out tomorrow!

BR don't use MLL though. AC doesn't code share the flight either, so everyone must have BR ticket so they can't use it (?)

BR and CA uses plaza premium in YVR... Seems like Star Alliance are more restrictive in sharing lounges?

Johnny Aussie · #**12344** Posted **Jan 6, 2018, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

BR don't use MLL though. AC doesn't code share the flight either, so everyone must have BR ticket so they can't use it (?)

BR and CA uses plaza premium in YVR... Seems like Star Alliance are more restrictive in sharing lounges?

AC cannot refuse a Star Alliance Gold Member travelling on a Star Alliance member flight... even if that airline uses a contract lounge. The only exception is UA in the US for their own gold members.

Therefore, even EVA Air passengers can use the MLL if they wish.

http://www.staralliance.com/en/lounge-access-policy

Refer specifically to.... Star Alliance Gold Customers travelling in any class

I do this all the time everywhere. Never been refused at a lounge as long as it has “Gold” at its entrance.

Johnny Aussie · #**12345** Posted **Jan 7, 2018, 5:46 AM**

Decor and fixtures quite elegant actually.

Still doesn’t seem big enough. And yup, the upstairs is cordoned off... booo.

There is an ok cooked selection too...
Teriyaki chicken, Miso Cod a couple of other accompaniment hot dishes.... 2 types of soups, 3 salads, crudités (including edamame). Nice selection of beverages. Guinness on tap along with 5 other choices of self serve beer. And bar tender service in full swing.

zahav · #**12346** Posted **Jan 9, 2018, 7:34 AM**

November traffic posted, and an even better result than the last few months! Domestic up 6%, Transborder up 12.7% (!), Asia up 15.2%, Europe up 11.6% (finally some good figures in this sector!) and Misc. up 27.1%. Total international (incl. transborder) up 14.6%, and 16.6% international only. Unreal! YTD total traffic up 8.3% with one month left to go.

I posted over in the Canada Airport Thread that for YTD (up until October) YVR has the fastest transborder and total international growth of the Big 4 airports (and probably all the others, I only check stats for YYZ, YVR, YUL, and YYC). I will be curious when 2017 traffic totals come out for all North American airports, where YVR is this year for total international traffic. And yes that includes transborder, because for international comparison purposes, there is only domestic and international.

Johnny Aussie · #**12347** Posted **Jan 9, 2018, 7:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

November traffic posted, and an even better result than the last few months! Domestic up 6%, Transborder up 12.7% (!), Asia up 15.2%, Europe up 11.6% (finally some good figures in this sector!) and Misc. up 27.1%. Total international (incl. transborder) up 14.6%, and 16.6% international only. Unreal! YTD total traffic up 8.3% with one month left to go.

I posted over in the Canada Airport Thread that for YTD (up until October) YVR has the fastest transborder and total international growth of the Big 4 airports (and probably all the others, I only check stats for YYZ, YVR, YUL, and YYC). I will be curious when 2017 traffic totals come out for all North American airports, where YVR is this year for total international traffic. And yes that includes transborder, because for international comparison purposes, there is only domestic and international.

Excellent! Thanks for the update.

Sooooo for YVR to exceed 24,000,000 December 2017 only has to exceed 2016’s by 10,000 pax. I don’t think YVR is going to just squeak by 24M but blast through it! I stand by my prediction that I was the 24 millionth passenger.

I too am curious how YVR will compare with other NA airports when total 2017 international figures come out. YTD through November, for example, YVR already exceeded YUL by over 1,000,000 pax compared to total 2016 it was about 850,000 only.

LeftCoaster · #**12348** Posted **Jan 9, 2018, 10:52 PM**

Haha you just may be right, they should give you a free flight for it!

My calculations show us hitting about 24.15 million for the year. Pretty amazing accomplishment.

Growth will definitely slow next year though as the capacity adds have not been as numerous as last year.

nname · #**12349** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 12:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Haha you just may be right, they should give you a free flight for it!

My calculations show us hitting about 24.15 million for the year. Pretty amazing accomplishment.

Growth will definitely slow next year though as the capacity adds have not been as numerous as last year.

Well, some of the added capacity have not been fully taken up so far, maybe some planes can fit a few more people that can easily give a few hundred thousands additional passengers...

Like the ones shown in orange and red for Jan-Mar 2017 stat (source: US Dept of Transportation)

Code:

Airport	Airline	Pass	Seat	LF
BIL	CP	76	76	100%
DEN	OO	370	420	88%
	UA	43244	52580	82%
DFW	AA	48158	53758	90%
	QK	4669	7050	66%
EWR	AC	35561	52164	68%
FCA	OO	70	76	92%
HNL	RV	45229	49349	92%
	WS	55394	60274	92%
IAH	UA	24758	27535	90%
JFK	CX	26069	47300	55%
	PR	15602	37740	41%
KOA	RV	5755	6446	89%
	WS	26815	30240	89%
LAS	AC	1875	2270	83%
	CP	622	898	69%
	RV	55828	67362	83%
	WS	43442	50004	87%
LAX	AC	96028	107010	90%
	CP	43102	53870	80%
	OO	12750	14304	89%
	WS	62869	76114	83%
LIH	WS	25406	30240	84%
MCO	WS	7050	8340	85%
MSP	CP	20290	21997	92%
	DL	5642	6081	93%
	OO	333	380	88%
OGG	RV	41954	49629	85%
	WS	52334	60144	87%
ORD	AC	13431	17558	76%
	UA	32805	37167	88%
PDX	QK	31631	49746	64%
	QX	10488	13224	79%
PHX	AA	28915	31360	92%
	RV	18019	23122	78%
	WS	26001	30240	86%
PSP	RV	14400	19176	75%
	WS	48509	59074	82%
SAN	QK	12421	13350	93%
SEA	AC	139	146	95%
	AS	42857	58158	74%
	CP	4027	4847	83%
	OO	38709	48763	79%
	QK	29764	47476	63%
	QX	29447	37544	78%
SFO	AC	57900	74477	78%
	OO	6785	7410	92%
	RV	119	136	88%
	UA	68897	83955	82%
SJC	QK	19547	25950	75%
SLC	CP	211	221	95%
	OO	10898	13168	83%
SNA	WS	17784	19522	91%
TOTAL		1365156	1689716	81%

LeftCoaster · #**12350** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 12:28 AM**

Yep good point, loads can be improved. Hopefully there are a few more route announcements or upgauges to come too though!

casper · #**12351** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 1:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Yep good point, loads can be improved. Hopefully there are a few more route announcements or upgauges to come too though!

Some are weird flights and may be their for other reasons. Wonder if the Cathay flight to JFK is their in part for cargo or not.

Earlier in the month I was on the Alaska airlines 737-800 from Seattle that arrives close to midnight. They had to warn passengers not to change seats due to weight balance issue. Not certain on other days, but when I was on it load factors must have been under 30%. One person across from me was worried, he was connecting on to the late night Cathay departure to Hong Kong.

nname · #**12352** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As for Turkish... IF this rumour is true (I really don't like speculating from airliners.net but I will

) and IF TK is gunning for a "Western Canada" clause, which they can then the bilateral can be amended to add Vancouver as a designated point served. Countries can add any clause they want as long as both parties agree to it. Perhaps AC won't object as they can easily codeshare with their Star Alliance partner to further strengthen their growing YVR hub. But the poster was specific about an amendment regarding Western Canada (YVR mentioned specifically).

And just read from airliners, TK asked for daily service to YVR in the December meeting, and the Canadian government granted them 3x weekly for YVR-IST.

Hourglass · #**12353** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 3:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

And just read from airliners, TK asked for daily service to YVR in the December meeting, and the Canadian government granted them 3x weekly for YVR-IST.

I saw that too. Rumor is that TK is still holding out for 7x/weekly. Not sure they're going to get that - especially right at the beginning.

nname · #**12354** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

I saw that too. Rumor is that TK is still holding out for 7x/weekly. Not sure they're going to get that - especially right at the beginning.

And the fact that both YYZ and YUL are not 7x weekly...

mezzanine · #**12355** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 4:17 AM**

FWIW, craig richmond will have YVR's annual talk at the vancouver board of trade January 23. New announcements on the way?

trofirhen · #**12356** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 6:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

And just read from airliners, TK asked for daily service to YVR in the December meeting, and the Canadian government granted them 3x weekly for YVR-IST.

Wow, even getting 3x weekly from Ottawa is an ccomplishment, imo. At least, as it would seem, they have their foot in the door. If they hold out, they may end with nothing. Nada. Zilch.

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

I saw that too. Rumor is that TK is still holding out for 7x/weekly. Not sure they're going to get that - especially right at the beginning.

Holding out for 7x weekly seems a bit unrealistic. Especially at YVR. I'd expect a request like that for YYZ, but not YVR.

thenoflyzone · #**12357** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 3:55 PM**

TK will need to move some metal around in order to launch YVR. They have no more wide body deliveries until the 787s and A350s arrive. If YVR is to be launched in the summer of 2018, some short or mid haul routes will need to lose widebodies, or a currently operating long haul route will need to be canceled.

Link to TK fleet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines#Fleet

nname · #**12358** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 5:35 PM**

Another A350 coming to Vancouver:

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Lufthansa adds A350 Vancouver service from May 2018

Lufthansa during today’s schedule update (10JAN18) filed operational aircraft changes for its seasonal Munich – Vancouver route. From 01MAY18, the summer seasonal service will be operated by A350-900XWB on daily basis, replacing A330-300.

LH476 MUC1535 – 1645YVR 359 D
LH477 YVR1825 – 1320+1MUC 359 D

Source

mezzanine · #**12359** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Decor and fixtures quite elegant actually.

Still doesn’t seem big enough. And yup, the upstairs is cordoned off... booo.

There is an ok cooked selection too...
Teriyaki chicken, Miso Cod a couple of other accompaniment hot dishes.... 2 types of soups, 3 salads, crudités (including edamame). Nice selection of beverages. Guinness on tap along with 5 other choices of self serve beer. And bar tender service in full swing.

Is the chef station open late night? I was outbound on LH 492 which was delayed and saw them shut down the station after the lunch hour.

Johnny Aussie · #**12360** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Well, some of the added capacity have not been fully taken up so far, maybe some planes can fit a few more people that can easily give a few hundred thousands additional passengers...

Like the ones shown in orange and red for Jan-Mar 2017 stat

For what is considered some of the slowest months of the year for Air traffic some of those LFs are amazing!

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Originally Posted by nname

And just read from airliners, TK asked for daily service to YVR in the December meeting, and the Canadian government granted them 3x weekly for YVR-IST.

Regardless what happens that’s good that TK was granted access. Now whether they use it or not?

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Originally Posted by nname

Another A350 coming to Vancouver

That will also be a fairly big capacity boost on YVR-MUC. Now we
wait and see what they do with YVR-FRA.

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Is the chef station open late night? I was outbound on LH 492 which was delayed and saw them shut down the station after the lunch hour.

No it wasn’t open. I was just referring to at least there were some decent cooked
food options late at night. In the past when it was just SYD departing it was abysmal.