YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Gordon]

According to a response I received from the YvR Customer call center the temporary gate being added on D pier will be ready in a few months. With that gate & more us of D75 , this should make it unnecessary to use the remote stands.

[SFUVancouver]

From Airliners.net:

Delta removes planned 717 Los Angeles – Vancouver S17 service
Posted 4 April 2017 08:30
Delta Airlines in the last few weeks updated planned Los Angeles – Vancouver service, for summer 2017 season. From 01MAY17 to 25AUG17, 1 of 2 daily service will be operated by Mainline Airbus A319, replacing Compass Airlines Embraer E175 aircraft. Planned A319 operational schedule as follow.

DL2929 LAX0915 – 1215YVR 319 6
DL2929 LAX0920 – 1220YVR 319 x6

DL2928 YVR1402 – 1658LAX 319 x3
DL2928 YVR1404 – 1700LAX 319 3

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1359679&sid=352a0c52c9c5fa0c9f7267dc6e9d93bc

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

From Airliners.net:



http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1359679&sid=352a0c52c9c5fa0c9f7267dc6e9d93bc

Ummmmm

They were taking 2017.

This route is being cut in a couple of months. YVR-LAX on DL is gonzo!

[LeftCoaster]

I guess a casualty of the Delta/WJ JV.

[LeftCoaster]

Rumour is Cathay is going to go A359 on the remaining HKG-YVR terminator frequencies. The HKG-YVR-JFK route will stay 77W.

So YVR would see 10x A359 and 7x 777W.

Doesn't look like a big capacity change either way. Hopefully they are able to go 21x 359 soon.

[Alpine]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

LH send the A380/B748 to DEL and BOM because those airports are slot constrained. BOM is at capacity for most of the day, as it is a single runway airport for all intents and purposes. (They dont use the crossing runway simultaneously)

So in order to maximize connectivity through FRA, LH send their biggest birds to India.

YVR, even though it is a level 3 slot controlled airport, is not at capacity. Add the fact that Canada in general isn't a premium market, and you have all the reasons you need to figure out why LH doesn't send the A380 to YVR.

As you said, BA sending the A380 to YVR has more to do with freeing up slots at LHR than anything else.

Actually, I wonder what YVR's annual air traffic capacity limit is. BAA caps Heathrow's ATMs at 480,000 (a figure that has been quoted ad nauseam by the British papers whenever they cover Heathrow's congestion) which means LHR is running at 98% capacity, but I'm not sure if YVR's ATM cap or their % capacity is publicly available.

Also, how can one tell which destinations are premium markets and which aren't? I can only hazard a guess, but I think that SFO and LAX are both premium markets, while San Diego (SAN) is a more lower-yielding market due to San Diego's close proximity to L.A., and the city being a lifestyle destination with a small economy (almost like Vancouver, as a matter of fact). What kind of information can one use to judge whether an airport or country is a big premium destination, and which is an O&D/VFR/leisure destination?

Speaking of SAN, isn't that third Jazz flight continuing to/from YYC? I guess this is because AC is targeting tourists who want a warm-climate getaway.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Alpine

Actually, I wonder what YVR's annual air traffic capacity limit is. BAA caps Heathrow's ATMs at 480,000 (a figure that has been quoted ad nauseam by the British papers whenever they cover Heathrow's congestion) which means LHR is running at 98% capacity, but I'm not sure if YVR's ATM cap or their % capacity is publicly available.

Also, how can one tell which destinations are premium markets and which aren't? I can only hazard a guess, but I think that SFO and LAX are both premium markets, while San Diego (SAN) is a more lower-yielding market due to San Diego's close proximity to L.A., and the city being a lifestyle destination with a small economy (almost like Vancouver, as a matter of fact). What kind of information can one use to judge whether an airport or country is a big premium destination, and which is an O&D/VFR/leisure destination?

Speaking of SAN, isn't that third Jazz flight continuing to/from YYC? I guess this is because AC is targeting tourists who want a warm-climate getaway.

I have no access to any data, so my comment is based on an educated guess and not any inside knowledge.

I would assume SAN as a destination has reasonably yielding and gets a lot of business traffic in general. That is primarily due to have a large military presence. I would expect a lot of military and military contractor travel.

The problem for AC is the US has a law that basically says US employees and those working under contract to the US must travel on US airlines. That generally shuts AC out of that travel. The one exception where AC may still benefit is the definition of US airlines includes code-share flights. If it an AC operated flight sold as a United flight then it would be acceptable for US government travel.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Gordon

According to a response I received from the YvR Customer call center the temporary gate being added on D pier will be ready in a few months. With that gate & more us of D75 , this should make it unnecessary to use the remote stands.

Let's see...

D75 was mainly used by PR for their MNL-YVR-YYZ and MNL-YVR-JFK. With one of the flight no longer stop here and the replacement arrives early evening, that saves 1 slot.

AC's cancellation of LGW flight and additional LHR flight falls outside of the peak time, no gate change

AC's new ZRH and CDG flight uses up 1 slot.

AC's reduction in KIX and NGO just pretty much moved to DUB that departs at around the same time, so no change.

HU have not yet announced their schedule, or whether they even going to fly here or not.

KL's flight from AMS is pushed back by 2.5hr to about 4pm arrival next summer, just after the peak, so that's 1 slot saved.

AA's new flight to ORD, and AC's new addition of SAN, SMF all fall outside of the peak time.

DL's cancellation of LAX save a slot.

All the Mexico changes fall outside of peak hours, and all other seems to be unchanged. Do I miss anything?

That gives a total of -2 gate compared to last year. Since last year was 2 gates short, the existing terminal should be barely enough event without the temporary gate. They'll have to use gate D76 and sometimes even D77 for international departure though (current airport setup allows up to D78).


One thing I've noticed when my flight arrived at D49 the other day is that they actually allows both D48 and D49 for international departure. Not sure if the domestic terminal is full at that time so D48 is rarely used and both gates are only used for arrivals...

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by Alpine

Actually, I wonder what YVR's annual air traffic capacity limit is. BAA caps Heathrow's ATMs at 480,000 (a figure that has been quoted ad nauseam by the British papers whenever they cover Heathrow's congestion) which means LHR is running at 98% capacity, but I'm not sure if YVR's ATM cap or their % capacity is publicly available.

Also, how can one tell which destinations are premium markets and which aren't? I can only hazard a guess, but I think that SFO and LAX are both premium markets, while San Diego (SAN) is a more lower-yielding market due to San Diego's close proximity to L.A., and the city being a lifestyle destination with a small economy (almost like Vancouver, as a matter of fact). What kind of information can one use to judge whether an airport or country is a big premium destination, and which is an O&D/VFR/leisure destination?

Speaking of SAN, isn't that third Jazz flight continuing to/from YYC? I guess this is because AC is targeting tourists who want a warm-climate getaway.

FYI - San Diego's GDP (Economy) is double the size of Vancouver's, larger than Montreal's, and nearly as large as Toronto's. SD's GDP is the size of Vancouver's, Ottawa, and Quebec City put together. The city is out-shined by the massiveness of LA next door, but San Diego is significant in population, economy, and as a top destination in it's own right.

[phesto]

Originally Posted by spoonman

FYI - San Diego's GDP (Economy) is double the size of Vancouver's, larger than Montreal's, and nearly as large as Toronto's. SD's GDP is the size of Vancouver's, Ottawa, and Quebec City put together. The city is out-shined by the massiveness of LA next door, but San Diego is significant in population, economy, and as a top destination in it's own right.

Not to get too off topic, but a lot of out of towners don't realize how big the Navy is in San Diego (aside from seeing naval officers in uniform around town). I was shocked to learn that the Navy represents a quarter of San Diego's economy.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by phesto

Not to get too off topic, but a lot of out of towners don't realize how big the Navy is in San Diego (aside from seeing naval officers in uniform around town). I was shocked to learn that the Navy represents a quarter of San Diego's economy.

I'm surprised it's not more.

San Diego has the largest naval fleet in the world. Also, the city is a foreign trade zone (another GDP booster)....

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

I'm surprised it's not more.

San Diego has the largest naval fleet in the world. Also, the city is a foreign trade zone (another GDP booster)....

I'm just surprised that, with the number of Canadians living there, vacationing there, or just going on business of whatever sort,
that there isn't a year-round nonstop, not this seasonal stuff.

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'm just surprised that, with the number of Canadians living there, vacationing there, or just going on business of whatever sort,
that there isn't a year-round nonstop, not this seasonal stuff.

What leads you to believe there isn't year round non-stop?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by spoonman

FYI - San Diego's GDP (Economy) is double the size of Vancouver's, larger than Montreal's, and nearly as large as Toronto's. SD's GDP is the size of Vancouver's, Ottawa, and Quebec City put together. The city is out-shined by the massiveness of LA next door, but San Diego is significant in population, economy, and as a top destination in it's own right.

I'd imagine the reason the small economy perception exists here is because there is almost no business ties between Vancouver and San Diego outside of real estate and a bit of tech. What is big economically in SAN is not big in YVR and vice versa.

Originally Posted by vanlaw

What leads you to believe there isn't year round non-stop?

I guess triple daily year round service isn't enough?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'd imagine the reason the small economy perception exists here is because there is almost no business ties between Vancouver and San Diego outside of real estate and a bit of tech. What is big economically in SAN is not big in YVR and vice versa.


I guess triple daily year round service isn't enough?

Uh huh!

It still blows my mind that with all the information online that some frequent posters in the YVR thread are still so naive about Vancouver operations. Instead a forever constant whinging about lack of service... a lack of service that isn't lack.... read the press releases do some very elementary sleuthing... All one has to do is a quick simple search on aircanada.com (for example) and VOILA the information is right there at the tip of anyone's fingers.

is right!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'd imagine the reason the small economy perception exists here is because there is almost no business ties between Vancouver and San Diego outside of real estate and a bit of tech. What is big economically in SAN is not big in YVR and vice versa.



I guess triple daily year round service isn't enough?

I stand corrected. I had thought that SAN direct was seasonal. I was wrong, excuse me please.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by nname

Let's see...

D75 was mainly used by PR for their MNL-YVR-YYZ and MNL-YVR-JFK. With one of the flight no longer stop here and the replacement arrives early evening, that saves 1 slot.

AC's cancellation of LGW flight and additional LHR flight falls outside of the peak time, no gate change

AC's new ZRH and CDG flight uses up 1 slot.

AC's reduction in KIX and NGO just pretty much moved to DUB that departs at around the same time, so no change.

HU have not yet announced their schedule, or whether they even going to fly here or not.

KL's flight from AMS is pushed back by 2.5hr to about 4pm arrival next summer, just after the peak, so that's 1 slot saved.

AA's new flight to ORD, and AC's new addition of SAN, SMF all fall outside of the peak time.

DL's cancellation of LAX save a slot.

All the Mexico changes fall outside of peak hours, and all other seems to be unchanged. Do I miss anything?

That gives a total of -2 gate compared to last year. Since last year was 2 gates short, the existing terminal should be barely enough event without the temporary gate. They'll have to use gate D76 and sometimes even D77 for international departure though (current airport setup allows up to D78).


One thing I've noticed when my flight arrived at D49 the other day is that they actually allows both D48 and D49 for international departure. Not sure if the domestic terminal is full at that time so D48 is rarely used and both gates are only used for arrivals...

How much has KIX and NGO been reduced by? It would be great if we could further "De-Rouge" these long haul routes, including Hawaii. Any flight over 2.5 hours with Rouge service and seat pitch/width is too long.

Any hope of Boston possibly being upgauged to a widebody? 6.5 hours in an a319 is a long time....

[Johnny Aussie]

Just looking at flights tomorrow out of YVR. I’m flying home tomorrow... booo!
Although I’m happy to miss Melbourne’s 42 degree high today!

FACT: there are 6 nonstop flights to the South Pacific tomorrow.

With Air NZ adding extra flights for the peak northern winter travel season, Qantas’s seasonal flights continuing for a few more weeks and AC’s recent nonstops to MEL - a big YAY!

2 flights to SYD - AC 77L and QF 744
2 flights to AKL - NZ 772s
1 flight to MEL - AC 789
1 flight to BNE - AC 788

Looking forward to checking out the new Int’l MLL.

[LeftCoaster]

That's wild, never thought I'd see a day with 6 flights to Aus/NZ. Not much to add to that roster other than hope it becomes more stable year round and less seasonal.

Intl MLL is good but not great. Was in there a couple weeks ago, it's a vast improvement over the old but no where near other *A hub lounges. Surprisingly better than YYZ though.

When I was there they were still working on the upstairs and it was roped off, so that might be cool.

[mezzanine]

WRT the intl MLL the upstairs was still closed over xmas when I went there. The chef's station is only active during lunch and dinner times AFAIK, so if you are there mid afternoon or evenings you may be out of luck for fresh cooked food. no more self-access for spirits (you have to ask a bartender now, like at MLL LHR), but the beer tap is still freely-accessed, right by the other dispensed drinks (for some reason, unlike LHR...)