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If the Metlife is anything to go by, and given the parcel size, and that rendering, in the 700-750' range.

There is a big need though for more hospitality units, so hopefully that can bumb it up even more.

I wonder if the potential rate cuts (if they happen in September) will bring optimism to maybe scale things up a little more. Not just for this but for other projects considering there is big momentum in the pipeline at the moment.

Literally BIG momentum. The number of projects being proposed has skyrocket since last year around the same time.
I think it will be a lot taller than that. Isn't 343-347 Madison about 850 feet, and that's with all office and a little less than 1m sf. I think that with hotels, this could easily be 1,000 feet tall.
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Could be especially with any crown/mechanical component. Better renderings from different angles will help to get an idea. That base is massive and this looks chunky too, all the way to the top. 270 Park for reference is 2.5 mil sq/ft.
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If the Metlife is anything to go by, and given the parcel size, and that rendering, in the 700-750' range.

There is a big need though for more hospitality units, so hopefully that can bumb it up even more.

I wonder if the potential rate cuts (if they happen in September) will bring optimism to maybe scale things up a little more. Not just for this but for other projects considering there is big momentum in the pipeline at the moment.

Literally BIG momentum. The number of projects being proposed has skyrocket since last year around the same time.
Chris, Are you referring to this image? If so, that looks like 390 Madison, which is across from the old Bear Stearns tower that's being reclad. The existing 250 can be seen between 383 Madison and the new 270 Park.

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I wonder why they showed 270's walls sans herbes. Some water flowing down those walls would be nice.

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It's a footprint basically the same size as that of 343 Madison. They can double the existing square footage with a new building. Some think it may even be another supertall, though I don't really want it going much higher than 1,000 ft.



https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/real-estat...rsion-projects-are-a-massive-boondoggle/

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At 250 Park Ave., on the market through Newmark, lease clauses allow tenants to be booted. Nevertheless, it may simply be torn down and redeveloped to match its neighboring and gigantic new JPMorgan Chase office building.

“It is clearly simpler and faster to rip down and build what you want,” Neveloff said.


https://commercialobserver.com/2024/04/colliers-michael-cohen-filling-space/

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...in the wake of One Vanderbilt, the city changed the zoning, so the air rights to St. Patrick’s and Grand Central are fungible over a large swath of Midtown East.

The poster child for this, I always say, is 250 Park, which is in a fabulous location and is being offered for sale right now. It’s a building that has a demolition clause in it.

I guarantee you, every buyer looking at that building is looking at it as a development site. It will eventually be torn down and replaced by a supertall.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...llion-deal?srnd=realestate&sref=aPhxMSeh

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PMorgan Chase & Co. is in contract to purchase a Manhattan building near its new headquarters for more than $300 million.

The bank agreed to buy the office tower at 250 Park Ave., in partnership with Hines, from seller AEW, according to a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified citing private information.

https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/deal-sheet/this-weeks-ny-deal-sheet-125661

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JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Hines shelled out $320.2M to close a deal for 250 Park Ave., a 20-story office building near JPMorgan’s new headquarters at 270 Park Ave., Crain’s New York Business reported.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christoph...0-park-activity-7219688458829656064-NzV_

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The 520,000 SF office building 250 Park Avenue is selling at a strike price of $576/SF... these are decent numbers in itself BUT at 1M buildable square feet, they just picked up a once in a lifetime development site for a rock bottom price of $300/SF.

They are probably going to add to their neighboring 270 Park Avenue headquarters and double down on that corridor with a new 1M square foot glass & steel tower.


JP Morgan has nearly 1 msf at 277 Park Avenue, and more space in other buildings in the area. 270 Park will only hold a portion of the 17,500 employees in Manhattan.
https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news...ark-avenue-nyc-compass-warby-parker.html




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This development adds to this list of significant towers that we know will rise above 34th Street:

1. 350 Park a/k/a The Magnum Opus!
2. 250 Park
3. 625 Madison
4. 655 Madison
5. 343 Madison
6. 10 W 57th
7. 41 W 57th
8. 1 E 57th St
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10. 36 CPS
11. The Wellington
12. Extell's ABC site
13. 70 HY
14. The Torch
15. Rudin's 415 Madison

Other likely contenders in the foreseeable future:

16. 175 Park
17. GDSNY's 407-15 Park

Lastly, downtown, we, of course, will have the Amex Tower at 200 Greenwich!


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Is the old Bear Sterns tower actually getting a reclad? Can't find any articles about that.
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Is the old Bear Sterns tower actually getting a reclad? Can't find any articles about that.

Catch up on that here...
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184753&page=2
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https://www.investing.com/news/transcrip...-nyc-office-market-optimism-93CH-4234544

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Yeah. They took space in what, six other buildings, right? With the expectation when it was completed, they would take that space out and not use it anymore, right? Their business has grown substantially since then. And a number of those, they've committed to longer term tenancies in those locations, right?

So I don't think any of that space is really going to hit the market again. And they just bought 250 Park. They're kicking tenants out of that, right, so they can utilize that. We and others are the beneficiary of some of those tenants, which is a good thing. So I mean, I think that's the biggest bank, but that's a strong statement that their new headquarters is not big enough for their footprint now.

Right? So they've now built a campus between that, 383 Madison, 250 Park, and some of the adjacent space that they're keeping.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/...morgan-neighborhood-in-nyc-for-5-billion

First Comes Dimon’s New Tower. Next Up, a JPMorgan Neighborhood
Inside America’s biggest city, its biggest bank has been piecing together a multi-block campus.







By Hannah Levitt and Max Abelson
October 8, 2025


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JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s new megatower in Midtown Manhattan will officially open later this month, capping one of the most expensive construction projects in New York history. But when Jamie Dimon, the bank’s billionaire chief executive, cuts the ribbon at 270 Park Ave., he’ll inaugurate something even more ambitious.

Inside America’s biggest city, its biggest bank has been piecing together its own multi-block campus — JPMorgan’s own neighborhood.

As employees settle into the new Norman Foster-designed tower, the bank will pump about $1 billion into renovating the old Bear Stearns offices across the street at 383 Madison Ave., JPMorgan’s temporary headquarters in recent years. A block over, the lender also owns 250 Park, which may become a hotel for colleagues. Add in nearby leased space, and the bank has nearly 6 million square feet of office space in the span of a few blocks — almost as much as rival Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has in all of North and South America.
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This account is based on conversations with half a dozen people close to the project, who asked for anonymity to discuss non-public details.

To make way for the new 60-story headquarters, which will fit about 10,000 workers, JPMorgan demolished its old one, the tallest US building ever voluntarily knocked down. Dimon was so closely involved that colleagues saw him as a de facto architect: He wanted a city within a city where form follows function, telling deputies to sweat the details. One custom feature required the bank to import the parts needed to serve a proper pint of Guinness in the 13th-floor pub.

Dimon divided his top leadership team into sub-committees, each charged with overseeing a specific aspect of the building. Client centers, including one on the top floor, went to Mary Erdoes and Marianne Lake; the trading floors were in the hands of Daniel Pinto and Troy Rohrbaugh. Executives advocating for a fitness center faced an uphill battle: Dimon was known to dislike in-office gyms and had to be persuaded to greenlight this one as part of a wellness floor.

While construction was underway, bank executives realized they’d need even more space, especially as Dimon ordered more and more of his workforce back to the office. So they started drafting plans to remake another building, this one right across East 47th Street at 383 Madison. JPMorgan acquired the tower when it bought Bear Stearns during the 2008 financial crisis. Now the plan is to close it in the new year, clad the facade in glass, redo the interior and reopen by the end of 2027.

That still won’t be enough space. Last year, JPMorgan bought a neighbor to both skyscrapers, 250 Park, for more than $300 million. Plans are still in flux: Options include keeping it as it is, knocking it down and building a new office tower, or turning it into a hotel for visiting employees. Executives also aren’t sure if they’ll keep or sell 410 Madison, which JPMorgan bought during the worst days of the pandemic in 2020 and has been using as a project office for the headquarters construction.
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….. executives had been contemplating their home base for years. They even held talks with officials about a pair of towers in Hudson Yards, an idea that was scrapped over issues including subsidies. That was just one instance of the bank’s relationship with New York vacillating between hometown pride and tension. No city has “a divine right to success,” Dimon said last year, taking aim at public policy even as the new headquarters was going up. The bank has hired people elsewhere at such a fast clip that it has more employees in Texas than in New York. Even so, when Midtown East was rezoned to encourage construction in 2017, JPMorgan was first in line.


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Wonder how long before JPMC reveals plans for this site....


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These photos are incredible, as is this tower. We are very fortunate to have (now and in the future) three utterly iconic towers on Park: 175, 270, and 350. I hope that 407-415 is a hotel/condo rather than a 600 foot glass tower.

If 625 and 655 Madison are more than mere boxes, they’ll also add to this extraordinary drama in this area.
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The only downside to 250 Park being replace with a taller building is that it will block up close views from certain angles. With such a small footprint, it will be a tall building. It's likely that Foster will design a new tower that would blend well with 270 Park and the transformed 383 Madison Avenue.
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Hopefully something with some curvature to balance out 270. Something like the China Resources Tower in a 270 color scheme would be incredible.
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Hopefully something with some curvature to balance out 270. Something like the China Resources Tower in a 270 color scheme would be incredible.
There’s a very small footprint here, and JPMC is gonna want efficient floorplates.
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Likely a misquote or misunderstanding……


https://commercialobserver.com/2025/12/t...key-club-among-new-leases-52-vanderbilt/

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Turner Construction, which is headquartered at 66 Hudson Boulevard East, has taken 9,275 square feet across the building’s entire 12th floor for a new field office.

The Jockey Club, which works to preserve the integrity of thoroughbred horses throughout North America, took the same square footage across the building’s entire 11th floor. The organization is moving from 250 Park Avenue, which is being converted to residential use, according to C&W.
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JPMorgan’s Midtown reshuffle keeps office market guessing

Bank renews and expands leases, leaving office landlords calm for now



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December 10, 2025


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As the opening of JPMorgan Chase’s gleaming glass-and-steel skyscraper drew near, some Midtown office landlords and brokers were quietly bracing for a shake-up.

The 2.5 million-square-foot Foster + Partners-designed tower at 270 Park Avenue is designed to accommodate roughly 10,000 of JPMorgan’s 24,000 New York employees. Across the street is another building the bank owns, paving the way for what some have described as a JPMorgan-centric neighborhood.

When CEO Jamie Dimon cut the ribbon in October on the bank’s new multibillion-dollar headquarters, it marked the start of a major migration from the company’s other Midtown offices. The financial powerhouse has occupied several prime Manhattan buildings through long-term leases, leaving some to wonder whether they would vacate those properties once the new headquarters was complete.
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Rather than shrinking, JPMorgan is doubling down on some leases as it undertakes a $1 billion renovation of 383 Madison Avenue, the former Bear Stearns building across the street from its new headquarters that it bought in 2008.

The bank just inked a 60,000-square-foot sublease at nearby 390 Madison, boosting its presence there to nearly 500,000 square feet. Elsewhere, it signed a multi-year renewal on its 270,000-square-foot lease at 237 Park Avenue, a win for co-owners RXR Realty and Walton Street Capital. JPMorgan has also extended its 123,000-square-foot lease at Brookfield’s 5 Manhattan West through 2031, retaining a Hudson Yards foothold.

“We continue to maintain significant space at our locations across Midtown as we fully renovate 383 Madison over the next several years,” a JPMorgan Chase spokesperson said.
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Meanwhile, landlords with expiring leases seem to be benefitting from the hot Class A office market. At Stahl Organization’s 277 Park Avenue, where

JPMorgan occupies nearly half of the 1.9 million-square-foot building, it renewed 360,000 square feet in late 2024. Two other JP Morgan leases come due in the next few years. A 639,000-square-foot lease expires in March 2026 and a 175,000-square-foot lease expires in March 2028.
The landlord is in talks on both with “top echelon tenants at record-setting rents,” a Stahl Organization spokesperson said.

“We have signed leases, leases out, and deals pending for all of Chase’s 2026 expirations. We have lots of inquiries and serious interest for their 2028 expirations,” the spokesperson said.
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Nearby, several buildings stand to be renovated to further cement the bank’s “city within a city.” The firm is weighing options for 250 Park Avenue, an office building purchased last year for over $300 million, which could remain as-is, be redeveloped into a new office tower or converted into a hotel for employees.

Plans for another office building at 410 Madison, acquired during the pandemic as a project office for the new headquarters, are also still undecided, according to Bloomberg.
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Given JPMC’s uncertainty with respect to this site, I'd like to see JPMC make a public plaza at 250 Park which would be the focal point of a fully pedestrianized Vanderbilt Avenue and Park Avenue Viaduct. It could be the "front lawn" of 383 Madison and 270 Park.

In fact, if the Viaduct is closed, and there’s no car traffic through the Helmsley Building, all north and south lanes of traffic on Park Avenue could close, and a substantial park/plaza could rise here through the site of 250 Park.

Image a park that runs from a pedestrianized Vanderbilt on the east side of 383 Madison, through this site, and across the eight lanes of Park Avenue to the doorstep of 245 Park. That would be amazing.

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