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Old Posted Feb 7, 2011, 8:43 PM
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I for one see no logic in those numbers. For $55K per year anyone can easily retire in a beach front condo in Hawaii or a 3- bedroom Townhome in Palm Springs, hell, I could easily do that for $40K per year.

There is something very wrong in this City's perception of what is required and where.
Well you have to pay for all the bureaucrats to administer all those fantastic social programs that are doing so much to end homelessness right? Just like each First Nations costs the Canadian taxpayer $80k a year. It's disgusting.
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Pender and Abbott was one of the WORST, sleaziest; dirtiest intersections in town.
I think you're confusing this intersection with any intersection one block northward on Hastings from Abbott to Main, but your heart is in the right place. Pender Street is generally a safer place to be and has attracted most of the development for that reason.
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I for one see no logic in those numbers. For $55K per year anyone can easily retire in a beach front condo in Hawaii or a 3- bedroom Townhome in Palm Springs, hell, I could easily do that for $40K per year.

There is something very wrong in this City's perception of what is required and where.
Doctors, hospitals, police, clean up crews social services and mental health services, probation officers, court costs, negative image for city, theft, social services used to keep them alive, etc.

It costs a shit load of money and $55grand I think is under estimated. I remember hearing costs of over $80grand a year just for healthcare costs of drug addicts, and a majority of homeless are drug addicts(often times as self therapy for mental health issues that are the true cause of their homelessness).
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2011, 11:42 PM
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Yes I know, you have to spread the cost across the whole spectrum to arrive at these incredible figures.

I was just wondering how many street people would rather take an annual cheque of say $40,000 to live in Hawaii, Costa Rica or some other paradise and save us and the government some money.

If that is an option, I want to be first in line.
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Yes I know, you have to spread the cost across the whole spectrum to arrive at these incredible figures.

I was just wondering how many street people would rather take an annual cheque of say $40,000 to live in Hawaii, Costa Rica or some other paradise and save us and the government some money.

If that is an option, I want to be first in line.
Well these people often times go through a hell of a lot more money then that every year them selves. Drug addicts are very resourceful and through theft and various scams and other spontaneous opportunities they go through probably close to a 100grand a year(there are stats with concrete numbers out there close to that). There are not allot of of things more motivating then getting your next hit, unfortunately getting the next hit is all about the short term and not the long term. Means that they also waste incredible amounts of money through bad transactions in order to get a hit as quickly as possible without thinking about the hit they will need tomorrow.

Say selling a stolen $1000 TV for $50 because they need crack now, not tomorrow.
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hate to burst your bubble, but only 8 of the 108 suites are for families. the other 100 units are studio suites, only suitable for one person (less than 400 SF). all residents will be female however...
I am certain there will be a whole lot of cribs in those studio suites. There is no doubt in my mind that when destitute mothers are offered a chance to move with their infant or very young child from a shelter or SRO into a studio suite they will accept and not hold out for a two bedroom. These supportive housing buildings are not meant to be permanent housing, just a stepping stone for a year or two as they transition from homelessness to more permanent social housing. These buildings are triage. With that said, you are correct that the Abbott building is not intended to be solely for families and the majority of the women living there will not have children.
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its for people already in the welfare system i would think - not mary who lives in a box and refuses any kind of assistance
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'Hopeless' given new lease on life

'Housing First' concept gives study participants a chance to focus on improving chronic challenges

By Lori Culbert, Vancouver Sun February 11, 2011

A year ago, they were among Canada's most marginalized and forgotten souls, sleeping in shelters, tents or doorways and battling demons fuelled by mental illness and drug abuse.

Today, they are sleeping in beds in their own homes, and while still facing significant challenges, many are leading healthier, safer and more productive lives.

A controversial but potentially revolutionary study into housing the mentally ill has granted exclusive access to The Vancouver Sun for a peek inside the first year of the largest project of its kind in Canadian history.

The $110-million At Home-Chez Soi study -financed by the federal government and run by the Canadian Mental Health Commission -was launched in October 2009 in five cities: Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal and Moncton. Vancouver's $30-million arm of the project focuses on people who also have a history of substance abuse.

While housing, especially in Vancouver, is a costly proposition, researchers hope to prove it is more fiscally and morally responsible than allowing mentally ill, drug-addicted people to continue to rely on shelters, emergency rooms and jail cells to manage their medical problems.

The goal of the project, in the words of Vancouver site coordinator Catharine Hume, is to provide hope for people traditionally thought of as hopeless through a concept called "Housing First."

Providing a home for study participants is not where this journey ends, but where it begins. Only after people are confident about where they are sleeping and what they are eating each night can they begin to focus on improving other chronic challenges, such as mental health, physical illnesses, addictions and run-ins with the law, researchers argue.

Project staff say the lives of most of the 250 people housed so far in Vancouver have begun to stabilize: Some have learned to grocery shop, vacuum or ride the bus; others are pursuing jobs; a few who were in fear of losing their children are now keeping their families together.

But among these slivers of success remain uphill battles for this group of people with such complex challenges. Something as simple as learning to sleep on a bed inside a quiet apartment can be an overwhelming adjustment for a person who was on the streets for years.

"They are the most oppressed people in Canada, and the most marginalized. These are not horrible people, but they have been living and surviving on the fringes of society," Barbara Baumgartner, one of the study's team leaders, said when asked to describe the clients she is helping.

While Baumgartner is clear the study is not a panacea that will fix every problem, she is optimistic about the changes she has seen in many participants.

"It's fantastic to see how it's going -you know intellectually what a difference housing makes -but to see it happening," she said.

Researchers have found recruits at shelters, in hospitals and on the streets, and as of last month, 446 participants in Vancouver were on board.

A full contingent of 500 volunteers is expected to be signed up by late spring.

Sadly, experts say, there is no shortage of people in Vancouver who meet the study's requirements, but recruits have been phased in at a pace that allows team leaders to properly address each one's complicated challenges.

Between today and Wednesday, The Sun will publish a five-part series on this groundbreaking study, and readers will hear from important voices in this debate, including participants such as Chris Larsen.

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/H...#ixzz1DjHoz5cY
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Photo update | February 13th 2011

Karis Place supportive housing (one of the 14 Sites)

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Photo update | February 15th 2011

The National Street supportive housing building is the first of the 14 Sites to be complete and occupied.

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The residential entrance and enclosed outdoor patio are on National Street while continuous retail sits at grade on Main Street.

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The Pender and Abbott supportive housing building is one of the 14 Sites and is nearly complete. In my opinion they went overboard on materials on this one and it loses some cohesion because of it.

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The Pender and Richards supportive housing building, also one of the 14 Sites, in nearly finished as well.

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The Seventh and Fir supportive housing building, also one of the 14 Sites, has broken ground and is well on its way.

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Construction at the project at 16th and Dunbar is proceeding quickly. Some of those units will have great views of the mountains.

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^ Thank you very much for the photo. I haven't seen that building in person.
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^ Thank you very much for the photo. I haven't seen that building in person.
You're welcome. Your photos are always an inspiration to go out and capture the city as it changes around us.

In some ways the 16th and Dunbar project is the most significant of these projects, as it is deep in the heart of the West Side. If it can exist without any drama, hopefully there won't be so much NIMBYism in spreading this type of housing throughout all areas of the city, rather than concentrating it largely downtown.
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Vanman posted an outstanding aerial photo of Karis Place in the downtown Vancouver thread.
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First and Main photo update | February 20th 2011

First and Main social housing as seen from Quebec street.

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This is another one of those views that I think will be unrecognizable in a decade or so.

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A couple more of the First and Main supportive housing building.

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Vanman posted an outstanding aerial photo of Karis Place in the downtown Vancouver thread.
Looks like the building was constructed dead centre of a deep hole


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First and Main photo update | March 10th 2011


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Wasn't expecting your update until next week. Is this one a bonus?
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^ I realized that I missed it last week, plus I was in the neighbourhood.
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