Hamilton Votes 2008 - Page 6

markbarbera · #1 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 1:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

We still don't have a Liberal candiate in Hamilton Centre. I guess Dion will introduce the person when he makes a stop into Hamilton today.

Sure we do. Her name is Helen Wilson. She was appointed to replace Ms. Young last Wednesday I believe.

BrianE · #2 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 1:22 PM**

One of my core opinions on political life is that Prime Ministers (or Presidents) do not govern in a vaccuum. Meaning that just because Harper, or Dion or Bush are technicaly "the leaders" doesn't mean that the descisions they make aren't heavily influenced by the people and advisors that they keep in their company.

Nobody, is an expert on everything and this is especialy true with politicians. I'm much more concerned about who a candidate keeps as his/her core advisors on the big issues than I am about how they started out, or what they do on their days off.

SteelTown · #3 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 1:35 PM**

Ah okay. I haven't seen a single Liberal sign so they must still be waiting for the new signs.

Over Hamilton Mountain it's already loaded with Tyler Banham's signs.

raisethehammer · #4 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 3:28 PM**

pretty bad when I only recognize one name on a lawn sign all over town - Christopherson.
The rest of them, I've never heard of.

markbarbera · #5 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

pretty bad when I only recognize one name on a lawn sign all over town - Christopherson.
The rest of them, I've never heard of.

Surely, you have heard of Larry DiIanni

raisethehammer · #6 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Surely, you have heard of Larry DiIanni

haha....oh yea! Is he running??
I'm never out that way, so I haven't seen those signs.

FairHamilton · #7 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

haha....oh yea! Is he running??
I'm never out that way, so I haven't seen those signs.

His signs are up along Barton. I've only seen his and Christopherson's signs so far.

markbarbera · #8 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 8:12 PM**

I noticed a few for John Livingston (Greens) appeared overnight. Including one on my front lawn.

BrianE · #9 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 3:40 PM**

The other parties have definitely abandoned Hamilton Centre to the NDP. They're not even trying anymore.

markbarbera · #10 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 3:49 PM**

Which is a shame, seeing how Christopherson's tenure as MP thus far has been rather lacklustre.

raisethehammer · #11 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 8:34 PM**

Lol

SteelTown · #12 Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 8:52 PM**

I always get candidates knocking on my door on Sundays usually around 2pm.

raisethehammer · #13 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 2:54 AM**

he's such a clown.
Harper might win a majority just because people don't want any chance of this guy becoming PM.
Horrible choice by the Liberal machine.

markbarbera · #14 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 11:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

he's such a clown.
Harper might win a majority just because people don't want any chance of this guy becoming PM.

Why would you dismiss him so roundly as a clown? Is this based on careful consideration of his policy proposals? Are you considering his ministerial experiences or his tenure as an educator? Do you acknowledge his leadership role in the international community's driving force to address climate change? Are you acknowledging his achievement of neutralizing the separatist movement as author of Canada's Clarity Act? Or are you simply basing it on his heavy French accent that may offend an anglophone xenophobe's ears?

Honestly with such shallow observations like that I'll change my earlier sentiment and say I am quite relieved you have chosen not to vote in this election.

FairHamilton · #15 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 12:54 PM**

I think all leaders make mis-steps and are 'clowns' from time-to-time.

i.e. Harper talking about tough action on cigarellos in a town that's heard announcements of 1,000 jobs ending in the last few weeks. I'm surprised he didn't outlaw spaghetti westerns..........

i.e. Dion riding the 9:12am Burlington to Toronto GO Train this morning. If you want to connect with common people, the majority of them start work by 9am........

raisethehammer · #16 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 1:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by markbarbera

Why would you dismiss him so roundly as a clown? Is this based on careful consideration of his policy proposals? Are you considering his ministerial experiences or his tenure as an educator? Do you acknowledge his leadership role in the international community's driving force to address climate change? Are you acknowledging his achievement of neutralizing the separatist movement as author of Canada's Clarity Act? Or are you simply basing it on his heavy French accent that may offend an anglophone xenophobe's ears?

Honestly with such shallow observations like that I'll change my earlier sentiment and say I am quite relieved you have chosen not to vote in this election.

I won't even bother responding to this since your entire post is predicated on apparently "knowing" that I have a problem with his french accent. Where'd you pull that from?? Chretien had a heavy accent and seemed to do just fine.
Next time feel free to ask some basic questions before accusing someone of something from so far out in left field.

markbarbera · #17 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

I won't even bother responding to this since your entire post is predicated on apparently "knowing" that I have a problem with his french accent. Where'd you pull that from?? Chretien had a heavy accent and seemed to do just fine.
Next time feel free to ask some basic questions before accusing someone of something from so far out in left field.

Did you read my post? It is a series of basic questions asking why you think he was a clown. And, after reading it again, you'll see I did not accuse you of having a problem with his French accent. What I do have a problem with is a summary judgement being passed upon him that is not substantiated in any way. You may want to follow your own advice.

ryan_mcgreal · #18 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

Next time feel free to ask some basic questions before accusing someone of something from so far out in left field.

Okay, so why do you think he's a clown?

FairHamilton · #19 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 4:38 PM**

http://thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/437302

A clown, an elitist, or simply misguided? I don't know the answer, but I certainly have an opinion. What I think, is that he's not connecting with the common voter. There seems to be a lack of engagement to the man, and to his policies.

matt602 · #20 Posted **Sep 18, 2008, 5:19 AM**

Lots and lots of DiIanni signs in my area, especially along Barton East. I think the NDP is gonna lose their spot.