Vancouver becoming the no-fun city again???

[crazyjoeda]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

Have you seen some of the jackasses that show up to the fireworks drunk? Have you wondered why fights and rumbles break out after it?

Unfortunate, but unless laws are changed to allow preemptive extermination of rowdy drunken idiots, you're going to have to live with the collective punishment for the masses on the account of the irresponsible few.

Thanks for pointing that out; obviously making drinking in public illegal has not worked. Why waste police resource by having cops patrol crowds looking for citizens who are peacefully enjoying an alcoholic drink or two. Most people who drink wont cause a problem. The police should spend their time stopping violent offenses. You're right preemptive extermination of rowdy drunken idiots would be a solution.

[SpongeG]

well as a pedestrian walking down granville on any given friday or saturday its pretty easy to see any number of people walking around with alcohol drinking it

discarded beer cans are easily seen but the bums get them pretty quickly

in london i saw loads of people drinking on the tube and in the streets - its not legal there but bars charge so much that most people get boozed up before goign out

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by crazyjoeda

Thanks for pointing that out; obviously making drinking in public illegal has not worked. Why waste police resource by having cops patrol crowds looking for citizens who are peacefully enjoying an alcoholic drink or two. Most people who drink wont cause a problem. The police should spend their time stopping violent offenses. You're right preemptive extermination of rowdy drunken idiots would be a solution.

Making it a free-for-all will likely increase the number of public nuisance drinkers.

[SpongeG]

the fireworks can demonstrate that point

[zivan56]

I love the mentality in this thread.
Alcohol problems if you have beers in a car/public? Allowing drinking in street leading to drunkenness?
Perhaps you have issues with temptation and addiction. However, I would say 99% of people doing the above wont be getting drunk all the time.
But I guess it's ok to pay for overpriced booze and get drunk at a club/restaurant/wherever, since paying more for booze entities you to get drunk.

Btw, to make sure Vancouver stays a no fun city:
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/video/index.html (watch Olympic Party Plans)
Restaurants and places can stay open 24/7, as long as they are not licensed. What a joke!

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by zivan56

I love the mentality in this thread.
Alcohol problems if you have beers in a car/public? Allowing drinking in street leading to drunkenness?
Perhaps you have issues with temptation and addiction. However, I would say 99% of people doing the above wont be getting drunk all the time.

Or just sick of having to put up with those types, whether it's at the fireworks show, or from strolling down the street, getting property wrecked or being waken up by a bunch of rowdy drunk youths. And one DUI driver is one too many.

Originally Posted by zivan56

But I guess it's ok to pay for overpriced booze and get drunk at a club/restaurant/wherever, since paying more for booze entities you to get drunk.

Technically, they're not supposed to serve those who appear to be already drunk.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

Or just sick of having to put up with those types, whether it's at the fireworks show, or from strolling down the street, getting property wrecked or being waken up by a bunch of rowdy drunk youths. And one DUI driver is one too many.

Well the exact cause of that IS the drinking ban. Think about it. Those people get loaded when they are home and drink as much as possible in order to avoid having alcohol taken away. If they could drink at the beach, then they wouldn't need to get wasted beforehand.
I would love to see drunken people wrecking property. Unfortunately, most people who wreck property are fully sober and completely retarded.
I have personally never been waken up by a drunk person. I have been waken up by someone shooting up in the park beside my building who started screaming and yelling.

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by zivan56

Well the exact cause of that IS the drinking ban. Think about it. Those people get loaded when they are home and drink as much as possible in order to avoid having alcohol taken away. If they could drink at the beach, then they wouldn't need to get wasted beforehand.

If they're pounding them down at home, some of the effect will wear off by the time they get to the beach and over the course of their time there. Not to mention the empties won't be scattered all around the beach.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

If they're pounding them down at home, some of the effect will wear off by the time they get to the beach and over the course of their time there. Not to mention the empties won't be scattered all around the beach.

Maybe if they drink beer...I know of people who took around 3-4 hours to sober up (i.e. be able to walk somewhat) after having a bunch of hard liquor.

[cornholio]

Hey Nutterbug, im going to guess that you dont drink, thats fine, its your choice, but dont force that choice on others, and more importantly this would mean that you have no basis to argue against anything to do with alcohol(assuming you dont drink, which is what it seems like to me). Also you said your self that the only other place you lived in was Calgary(almost identical to Vancouver regarding this topic), this means you again have no basis to argue. Believe us when we say that it not only wouldnt cause problems but it would solve allot of problems and make life more enjoyable for most(I personally base this on my own life experiences and actually living in places that take this approach, which is most countries anyways). Like I said small inconveniences add up to big inconveniences. Really though (no offense) but none of your arguments make any sense at all.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

If they're pounding them down at home, some of the effect will wear off by the time they get to the beach and over the course of their time there. Not to mention the empties won't be scattered all around the beach.

That makes absolutely no sense, after pounding down a 6 pack it takes like 12 hours to get it out of you system.(im too lazy to find a chart). Regarding empties, is that like the piles of pop cans, water bottles, chip bags, and other garbage that is all over the place?

I have another question have you ever traveled outside of NA? Cause it sure sounds like you haven't even done that.

[cornholio]

Sorry for a triple post again...But regarding the fireworks the number of drunks causing problems is a big minority, infact its almost a insignificant minority, and majority of that minority is youths. If the police stoped dumping every law abiding persons beer then they could concentrate more on catching the youth drinking and more importantly taking care of and removing drunks causing problems. I mean do you know how idiotic it is when you can get your beer dumped because your drinking it on a beach, then get up walk for 2min, go in to a pub, pound down a pitcher or two and then go back out and thats suddenly fine, its just beyond me.

[jlousa]

I beleive you guys are acutally the minority, there is not the demand to change liquor laws. The public in general does not want people drinking in public or in cars. If you were the majority then the polictians would change the rules.

Maybe you can explain to me why drinking in public is so important and neccessary in order to be a fun-city.

[zivan56]

Probably because most people under 40 couldn't care less about politics. The only people who actually have time to nag politicians are either: unemployed, grumpy old people, or soccer moms.
Other people have to work...and they have better things to do than to sit in a room in city hall for 4 hours listening to the above listed people talk about something ad nauseam.

Well even for starters...when going to a park to have a BBQ, why should you not be allowed to have a beer? I would say this is the norm even when people go with children.
It seems that everybody against this assumes this would lead to mass drunkenness, which is a prejudice I do not understand and cannot even comprehend. There is no need for government to nanny people or be the morality police (lets not get started about TV here, which even Harper would approve of)
I would say drinking in public is especially important here, where people are really uptight, and a large part seem to have a form of social anxiety (at least what I've noticed)

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by jlousa

The public in general does not want people drinking in public or in cars. If you were the majority then the polictians would change the rules.

Because politicians are so in touch with the public and always do what the majority wants??

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by cornholio

That makes absolutely no sense, after pounding down a 6 pack it takes like 12 hours to get it out of you system.(im too lazy to find a chart). Regarding empties, is that like the piles of pop cans, water bottles, chip bags, and other garbage that is all over the place?

I figure a) nobody drinks 24 cans of pop in one go, and b) people who get drunk out of their minds tend to be far more reckless with their waste.

Originally Posted by cornholio

Sorry for a triple post again...But regarding the fireworks the number of drunks causing problems is a big minority, infact its almost a insignificant minority, and majority of that minority is youths. If the police stoped dumping every law abiding persons beer then they could concentrate more on catching the youth drinking and more importantly taking care of and removing drunks causing problems. I mean do you know how idiotic it is when you can get your beer dumped because your drinking it on a beach, then get up walk for 2min, go in to a pub, pound down a pitcher or two and then go back out and thats suddenly fine, its just beyond me.

If they let people drink freely at the fireworks, I can assure you that all hell will break loose. Remember the monster truck shows when they used to serve alcohol? The audience got rowdy and violent, and parents with children had to leave early out of fear. The next year, they abolished all alcohol sales, and as far as I'm aware, they haven't had any problems since.

And no, I'm not a teetotaller. I seldom get drunk though, and can easily go a whole day without alcohol without any problems or ill feeling.

[zivan56]

^^ And what type of people go to monster truck shows? The first thing that comes to mind is rednecks and trailer trash.
Why on earth would someone bring kids when it is full of men in their 30's-40's and their skanky girlfriends?

[quobobo]

Kids like big trucks? I know I did.

I agree though - comparing a crowd at a monster truck show with the crowd at the fireworks seems a little silly to me.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by jlousa

I beleive you guys are acutally the minority, there is not the demand to change liquor laws. The public in general does not want people drinking in public or in cars. If you were the majority then the polictians would change the rules.

Maybe you can explain to me why drinking in public is so important and neccessary in order to be a fun-city.

Because I like to have a beer at the beach or a BBQ without having to worry about a open liquor fine. Can you explain to me why I, as a responsible adult, have to sneak around to enjoy a cold beer in a public place? It's so degrading.

[SpongeG]

for every responsible adult there are 2 unresponsible ones??

who knows

i'm all for drinking

its not like pot is legal but everyone smokes it at the beach