YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[Jasper and one o nin]

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[4unot2no]

I was reading article on the Port of Prince Rupert yesterday, and how ships and cargo are starting to come in? Made me realize that we are dragging our feet on getting the Port of Alberta off the ground.

I know a lot of planning goes into this, getting all parties invloved committed,

I would have thought that the facilites that are needed to make this successful would have been put in place as soon the fairview port was scheduled to open to take advantage.

Once i heard about the rail car derailment outside of edm, it made me realize that the cargo heading east was probably from Price george and that it simply bypassed edmonton.

i hate to be pessimistic, and am glad that the people involved are taking steps now but i hope we dont get burned with our poor planning\

Here is the link to the article
http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/16776.cfm

[4unot2no]

Has a anyone else seen this

I was trying to book a flight, and say an adviertisment for YEG , saying book a ticket to 10 sunny places

Show a pic of YEG airport and plance taking off in the background and in the other half of the pic it shows a tropical island, kinda cool

[4unot2no]

Does anyone know if aircanada will be adding a 2nd flight or upgrade the plane to LAX anytime soon?

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by 4unot2no

I was reading article on the Port of Prince Rupert yesterday, and how ships and cargo are starting to come in? Made me realize that we are dragging our feet on getting the Port of Alberta off the ground.

I know a lot of planning goes into this, getting all parties invloved committed,

I would have thought that the facilites that are needed to make this successful would have been put in place as soon the fairview port was scheduled to open to take advantage.

Once i heard about the rail car derailment outside of edm, it made me realize that the cargo heading east was probably from Price george and that it simply bypassed edmonton.

i hate to be pessimistic, and am glad that the people involved are taking steps now but i hope we dont get burned with our poor planning\

Here is the link to the article
http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/16776.cfm

Port Alberta has a lot of momentum. I just wish the City and others would learn how to communicate faster and clearer...they leave the impression that they are doing nothing.

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by 4unot2no

I was reading article on the Port of Prince Rupert yesterday, and how ships and cargo are starting to come in? Made me realize that we are dragging our feet on getting the Port of Alberta off the ground.

I know a lot of planning goes into this, getting all parties invloved committed,

I would have thought that the facilites that are needed to make this successful would have been put in place as soon the fairview port was scheduled to open to take advantage.

Once i heard about the rail car derailment outside of edm, it made me realize that the cargo heading east was probably from Price george and that it simply bypassed edmonton.

No we are not dragging our feet. And no the trains don't bypass Edmonton. CN built a large intermodal facility on the westend (184 Street) a few years back, this is a major staging ground for TEU's.

CP Rail is in the process of building their large intermodal facility on the southside of the City (41 Ave SW and QEII).

This is on top of developers assembling land to construct distribution centres and warehouses.

[4unot2no]

I agree to an extent

They are leaving a negative impression

But there were a few meeting that EDC went to when Fairview opened in Prince George, and
a seminar at the Shaw shorly after

this is not enough, they need more substatial plans, giving details where we are at and what the next steps being planned, and when they will be implemented.

Like i said these things should have been in put in motion prior to the opening of the port in BC. Where the facilities would have opened for business here in edmonton in conjuction with the BC port opening

I dont want edmonton to lose this opportunity for something big to another market, which is why i am concerned

[Aylmer]

Comment;
In the first pictures of the expantion, the parking lot is glass-like!
Wish we had that here...

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

I'm not quite certain I would call Montreal a major hub for AC, though it certainly is a hub.

OK, you don't call YUL a major hub. However, Air Canada does consider YUL a major hub.

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Montreal has AC service to 8 European destinations. The only destinations to Europe served by AC are London, Paris, Frankfurt, and recently, Rome. Lufthansa has service to Munich, and Swiss has service to Zurich.

opps yep only 5 direct AC european routes (London,Paris,Frank,Rome and Munich by AC) 8 including other carriers.

[tuffyy]

YUL also has many carriers no other canadian cities see such as;Egyptair,Air Algerie,Royal air Maroc and will likely see Air France A380's very soon...

[noodlenoodle]

Considering Air France is not getting their first A380s until late 2009, "soon" may not be the correct word.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

YUL also has many carriers no other canadian cities see such as;Egyptair,Air Algerie,Royal air Maroc and will likely see Air France A380's very soon...

I still hear that the AF 380 to YUL rumour may not come to pass. But I don't want to sidetrack the YEG discussion. Carry on!

[eemy]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I still hear that the AF 380 to YUL rumour may not come to pass. But I don't want to sidetrack the YEG discussion. Carry on!

I'll sidetrack it a bit longer...

The economics of the A380 don't really benefit a relatively shorthaul route like YUL, so it's likely that they won't see service permanently; however, it is likely they will see service as a proving ground for testing the aircraft and getting crew familiar with the plane, not unlike AC and YYZ-LHR.

That said, none of these peripheral things make YUL an important hub for AC. Strictly speaking, a hub is a location where passengers connect to other flights. While YUL does get connecting traffic, and enough that it should be considered a hub, most of its European service is sustained by strong O&D traffic (traffic between Montreal and Europe). It's domestic connections are relatively weak (actually less than 50% of the traffic there).

[Edmonchuck]

Yeah, I don't see a 380 to UL...I just don't.

[4unot2no]

Originally Posted by CMD UW

No we are not dragging our feet. And no the trains don't bypass Edmonton. CN built a large intermodal facility on the westend (184 Street) a few years back, this is a major staging ground for TEU's.

CP Rail is in the process of building their large intermodal facility on the southside of the City (41 Ave SW and QEII).

This is on top of developers assembling land to construct distribution centres and warehouses.

Do you have any idea when the intermodal facility on the southside is starting development. Would this not be better situated if it were closer to the airport??? Is this not what port alberta is all about. 3 modes of transportation (Train, Air, Truck )at single point.

[4unot2no]

Just a thought i was hoping someone could clarify

How does increased cargo traffic or capacity impact our chances if any at
securing addition commercial traffic? Will Port Alberta have any significant impact?

I am under the impression if i was an airline looking to add a new route
and need to pick a route between 2 different options

I would go with the route that i could potential make money on the cargo as well

Thoughts

[eemy]

Originally Posted by 4unot2no

Just a thought i was hoping someone could clarify

How does increased cargo traffic or capacity impact our chances if any at
securing addition commercial traffic? Will Port Alberta have any significant impact?

I am under the impression if i was an airline looking to add a new route
and need to pick a route between 2 different options

I would go with the route that i could potential make money on the cargo as well

Thoughts

It could have an affect if the cargo revenue is high enough, though it would more likely result in an existing flight to a larger aircraft than an new route. If the passengers aren't there, it makes more sense to fly a cargo jet on the route, or route the cargo through another airport.

[4unot2no]

My thinking is,

if the cargo is coming off the trains and needs to be shipped via air
that we stand to gain either a larger plan on existing routes or additional routes to handle the increased cargo that needs to be shipped.

Someone was saying on another thread that we actually lost cargo capacity?
This made me think if when airlines are making decisions to increase routes or provide service to a destination how much of the decison is in fact dictated by cargo revenue.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Edmonchuck

Yeah, I don't see a 380 to UL...I just don't.

Care to eloborate?

[Edmonchuck]

Why? ...and that answers both questions...