YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Lufthansa will be coming to YYC from April 2008. Can't see them coming to YEG for the next few years (or a decade? ).

WTF????????????????????

I was talking about codeshare and bi-laterals....awh forget it...

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Actually on the majority of the times I've flown the AC FRA-YYC run we never pass directly over Edmonton.

You wouldn't....more Cold Lake....

[KrisYYC]

Originally Posted by onishenko

Damn AC purposely screwing YEG for their own bottom line

AC is a business, not a social service. Because they are a BUSINESS and not a CHARITY of course they will work for their own bottom line.

Don't forget about AC starting YEG-LHR.

I thought we were through with this whiney crap? I sure hope this isn't the attitude of the majority of Edmontonians. If that is the case, then why the hell would AC want to serve such a market anyway?

Kris

[rapid_business]

Thanks Kris , let me expand on this a bit.

AC has in the past made a case to the governing authorities to not allow certain carriers into the Edmonton market as it would jeopardize the Canadian industry. Their partnership in the Star Alliance has pressured associated airlines to avoid direct flights to the expanding market of YEG as well.

AC is dead set on protecting it's model of efficiency of hub cities which essential puts YEG at a disadvantage. If I was short-sighted and cared about my quarterly reports alone 1 year out at the max, I'd do the same.
The problem is, this isn't how a true free-market economy works, nor how the changing landscape of emerging airline markets work and will so in the future.

I could care less if AC gives YEG gives us the privilege of another direct euro or US flight. The LHR route was way over due, I'm not the guy bowing down to AC thanking them for it. I do care that they have parameters in place to discourage other airlines who see the monetary potential of said routes.

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by KrisYYC

I thought we were through with this whiney crap? I sure hope this isn't the attitude of the majority of Edmontonians. If that is the case, then why the hell would AC want to serve such a market anyway?

Kris

...as onishenko says, it is about AC filing against new routes and service for Edmonton, not so much that AC doesn't serve us.

It is an historic problem.

So, "whiny crap"...not so much. There are very legitimate grievances Edmonton has with our national carrier.

Now, yes, they did start LHR - some 10 years late. Plus, their first few attempts were so set up for failure, and then they blame the market? Same with their LAX and SFO flights...

[Riise]

Originally Posted by Edmonchuck

...as onishenko says, it is about AC filing against new routes and service for Edmonton, not so much that AC doesn't serve us.

But as Kris pointed out, AC is a private business. As such they act in ways that will protect their investment, which in this case they believe will be harmed by the aggregate of new routes to airports such as YEG. A single KLM route to YEG might not cause serious damage to AC but if this was combined with AF being allowed to fly into YYC, Cathay Pacific to Winnipeg, and Qantas to Hamilton this could cause serious damage to AC. It could end up preventing services such as YEG to YYZ and YYC to YVR, which would be disastrous for Canada as a whole compared to the inconvenience for Edmontonians of not being allowed to fly direct on KLM.

[tuffyy]

I agree that some people litterally ''whine'' about the airport issue...For me it isnt so.I came to Edmonton from Toronto a while ago and work at the airport for a FBO.I also have a airline management degree and also fly aircraft for the joy of flight.I personally dont whine about Edmonton's degree of airline service we have links to most of the ''major'' U.S hubs aswell as a large variety of sun destinations and the scheduled service to London Heathrow along side the summer charters to AMS,FRA,LGW etc.Do I however think this city could and can support several other routes?Yes I do...The buisness I work for also supplies fuel and services to some of the major's who serve YEG and we work closely with airlines who have shown a interest in serving YEG.I am from YYZ and worked there for many years before coming ''west''.Believe me when I say YYZ has little to no problems convincing airlines to serve that point, YEG is no YYZ but neither is YYC.The fact is YYC is a AC hub and that does alot for a city with the airline itself and its partner's (through star alliance) adding and considering YYC before YEG.Carriers outside of that may look to YEG before YYC however and that is my point.It has happened in the past with NW serving YEG nearly a decade before YYC and YVR,LO also flew WAW-YEG for almost a decade prior to 9/11 and it was the carriers western most point in N.america at the time, AM also continues to fly MEX-YEG (next summer will be the 3rd year) I dont see people saying ''we got AM'' and YYC doesnt, do you?I think the gloating from YYC'ers is what get's most with its almost arrogant twist.Although not all are guilty I have seen it several times.Yes some of us sound like whiners, some dont.But people in Edmonton want better air-service and I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by Riise

(...) It could end up preventing services such as YEG to YYZ and YYC to YVR, which would be disastrous for Canada as a whole compared to the inconvenience for Edmontonians of not being allowed to fly direct on KLM.

Now THAT is alarmist...sorry, I don't buy it. I'd see better service for many major centers. It is not like Edmonton is pathetically small compared to Calgary or Ottawa. It is AC protecting AC under the legislation it can utilize to prevent them from competing in a full service world. Westjet is only "discount". If you'd actually read their objections as filed, you'd see a different action outside simply "protecting their investment".

So, it is not whining, it is more looking for an open skies arrangement that prevents AC from blocking Edmonton service under the guise of protecting their investment.

Yes, AC needs to make sure it is viable, and there are good points to how they operate. Maybe I still have a CAI hangover...

...and this does not excuse the acts by Edmonton itself that placed them in this position...namely YXD.

[Coldrsx]

edmonton should have more flights and be the hub cause we are the capital and we have wem

[tuffyy]

I should have said aviation management degree...Not airline management...Yet

[newfangled]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

edmonton should have more flights and be the hub cause we are the capital and we have wem

Are you still drunk?

[rapid_business]

After my attempt and being eloquent, it looks like Cold takes the cake. (or keg if you prefer)

[Coldrsx]

McLellan lands job with airports board
The Edmonton Journal
Published: 3:06 am

Former federal cabinet minister Anne McLellan has been named to the Edmonton Airports board by city council.

She is one of three new city appointees to the 15-member board, which governs both the Edmonton International Airport and the City Centre Airport. Edmonton has a total of six seats on the board.

Joining McLellan as city representatives are accountant Brian Bailey and Tom Redl, president of Chandos Construction.
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McLellan was a member of the Liberal federal cabinet until she lost her Edmonton-Centre seat in the last election. She is currently with the Bennett Jones law firm.

Other Edmonton Airports board members come from the federal government and the City of Leduc, as well as Leduc, Strathcona, Sturgeon and Parkland counties.


© The Edmonton Journal 2007

[IKAN104]

That's interesting. The article says all the surrounding counties have members on the board but does Edmonton have any representation?

[noodlenoodle]

Article quoted states Edmonton controls 6 out of 15 seats. Sounds a little low, but reasonable.

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

I agree that some people litterally ''whine'' about the airport issue...For me it isnt so.I came to Edmonton from Toronto a while ago and work at the airport for a FBO.I also have a airline management degree and also fly aircraft for the joy of flight.I personally dont whine about Edmonton's degree of airline service we have links to most of the ''major'' U.S hubs aswell as a large variety of sun destinations and the scheduled service to London Heathrow along side the summer charters to AMS,FRA,LGW etc.Do I however think this city could and can support several other routes?Yes I do...The buisness I work for also supplies fuel and services to some of the major's who serve YEG and we work closely with airlines who have shown a interest in serving YEG.I am from YYZ and worked there for many years before coming ''west''.Believe me when I say YYZ has little to no problems convincing airlines to serve that point, YEG is no YYZ but neither is YYC.The fact is YYC is a AC hub and that does alot for a city with the airline itself and its partner's (through star alliance) adding and considering YYC before YEG.Carriers outside of that may look to YEG before YYC however and that is my point.It has happened in the past with NW serving YEG nearly a decade before YYC and YVR,LO also flew WAW-YEG for almost a decade prior to 9/11 and it was the carriers western most point in N.america at the time, AM also continues to fly MEX-YEG (next summer will be the 3rd year) I dont see people saying ''we got AM'' and YYC doesnt, do you?I think the gloating from YYC'ers is what get's most with its almost arrogant twist.Although not all are guilty I have seen it several times.Yes some of us sound like whiners, some dont.But people in Edmonton want better air-service and I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

A small clarification needs to be made here I think. AC's 2 main hubs are Toronto and Vancouver. Calgary and Montreal are not true hubs but act a smaller regional hubs for their respective regions. You will not see flights to Asia or the Europian cities (other than LHR and FRA) from Calgary for this reason.

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by lubicon

A small clarification needs to be made here I think. AC's 2 main hubs are Toronto and Vancouver. Calgary and Montreal are not true hubs but act a smaller regional hubs for their respective regions. You will not see flights to Asia or the Europian cities (other than LHR and FRA) from Calgary for this reason.

Just to further clarify, Montreal IS a major Air Canada hub. Air Canada has direct scheduled service to 8 European airports from Montreal, including 4 Star Alliance hubs! Follow the link and click on go to map then click on Canada.

Air Canada Interactive Route Map

Calgary is a mini-hub.

[eemy]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Just to further clarify, Montreal IS a major Air Canada hub. Air Canada has direct scheduled service to 8 European airports from Montreal, including 4 Star Alliance hubs! Follow the link and click on go to map then click on Canada.

Air Canada Interactive Route Map

Calgary is a mini-hub.

I'm not quite certain I would call Montreal a major hub for AC, though it certainly is a hub. Most of its flights rely heavily on O&D passengers rather than connecting passengers, at least compared to Toronto and Vancouver and its domestic feed is relatively small.

Also, I'm not sure where you got the idea that Montreal has AC service to 8 European destinations. The only destinations to Europe served by AC are London, Paris, Frankfurt, and recently, Rome. Lufthansa has service to Munich, and Swiss has service to Zurich.

However in Air Canada's world YUL is on of the big three's Calgary is a hub but mini and growing.

[4unot2no]

Any word on the actual numbers for november??
Or any renderings of the new hotel to be built at EIA?