YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Air China now showing double daily again for the period late June right through the end of July.

CA997/998 showing daily 773.

How this is possible I have no idea based on the current allotment. I will enquire.

YEG hasn't seen Air China cargo since March 25. Maybe it has something to do with that.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAO1067

https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/ca1067

[zahav]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

For peak summer 2017 DL is adding a daily mainline 319 replacing one of the two daily E75s (Compass).

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...d-717-los-angeles-vancouver-s17-service/

With that, the once weekly 717 planned has been scrapped.

DL continuing with a daily 319 to SLC for the summer scheds as well.

And it looks like AA is extending the daily 319 to LAX for the summer too.

Good news for sure, always a positive sign when carriers increase mainline service, shows there's strong demand. The airlineroute.net title is super misleading though, it should read "Delta shifting 1 of two daily flights to mainline" , the loss of the Saturday 717 is minor compared to the mainline change LOL!

Also, UA adding an evening departure to EWR on Sunday nights. Crappy arrival time in NYC though, 4:40am. But hey, adding flights is great regardless

PS I am working on a calculating the proportion of flights operated by mainline vs. regional carriers for YVR, YYC, YUL, and eventually YYZ. I think YVR has a much larger % than the others, for a variety of factors. I will post when I've done the breakdown

[mezzanine]

Hmm. Norwegian has announced year-round 4x/wk service from LGW to SEA.

This is up against British airways and Virgin out of SEA.

Is this good or bad for YVR?

Beginning this September, Norwegian will offer new, nonstop service from both Denver (DEN) and Seattle (SEA) to London’s Gatwick Airport (LGW). .... The other new route, SEA-LGW, will launch on September 17 with year-round 4x weekly service on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/04/norwegian-west-coast-199-one-way/

[casper]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Hmm. Norwegian has announced year-round 4x/wk service from LGW to SEA.

This is up against British airways and Virgin out of SEA.

Is this good or bad for YVR?

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/04/norwegian-west-coast-199-one-way/

I don't think it impacts YVR. SEA has no other LGW service. At YVR the LGW market is served by Air Canada Rouge, WestJet and AirTransat.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by casper

I don't think it impacts YVR. SEA has no other LGW service. At YVR the LGW market is served by Air Canada Rouge, WestJet and AirTransat.

the price point may impact YVR. save me a few hundred bucks, i have no problem driving to seattle. only 2 hours away. yvr one hour away.

[zahav]

YVR stats posted for Feb. There was one less day (last year was a leap year), but results are OK. Domestic up 1.2%, Transborder up 2.4%, Asia Pacific up 10.8%, Europe down 7.9% (wtf Europe!), Misc. up 19.8%. Overall up 3.4%. Respectable, good growth in several sectors. The last year has been blockbuster growth and with the new services coming online in the next few months, should help, but still decent for a dead month with one less day.

In other news, Cathay Pacific announced a host of new recirpocal codeshare routes with Lufthansa Group (incl. Swiss & Austrian). This is just a couple months after their Air Canada partnership. If they weren't a major part of OneWorld, one might think this draw to * Alliance was a sign of something And speaking of partnerships, WS has strengthened theirs with Delta. CX no longer will codeshare with WS either. I really wonder if WS will join Skyteam eventually...

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1221

[nname]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

the price point may impact YVR. save me a few hundred bucks, i have no problem driving to seattle. only 2 hours away. yvr one hour away.

Well, the price is $199 Euro before tax for the cheapest flight... After tax and currency exchange, it comes out to be $328 CAD.

However, if you want to check a luggage, then the price becomes $428 CAD... you save a grand total of $27 compared to the same day Transat departure from YVR....

Unless you don't bring a luggage, I don't think this hassle worth it to save maybe $50 on air fare...

[casper]

Originally Posted by nname

Well, the price is $199 Euro before tax for the cheapest flight... After tax and currency exchange, it comes out to be $328 CAD.

However, if you want to check a luggage, then the price becomes $428 CAD... you save a grand total of $27 compared to the same day Transat departure from YVR....

Unless you don't bring a luggage, I don't think this hassle worth it to save maybe $50 on air fare...

That pricing is not to far off what Air Transat discount pricing is at.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by zahav

YVR stats posted for Feb. There was one less day (last year was a leap year), but results are OK. Domestic up 1.2%, Transborder up 2.4%, Asia Pacific up 10.8%, Europe down 7.9% (wtf Europe!),

IMO i think a lot of the missing europe traffic is india traffic going via AC's direct flights or via asia.

So far, the non-stop DEL flight looks like it will not be running in the summer. (doesn't appear on AC's booking site). Time is getting tight if there will be an announcement on whether it will continue year round.

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

^ My God it's beautiful!

Looks unreal even in that awful weather.



I believe the distinction for YVRs A380 service was that it was the first scheduled DAILY service by an A380.

YYZ sees the Emirates A380 but it's 3x PW and IIRC Air France's A380 was not daily either but supplemented by 777s.

Air France was using the A380 daily right from the start, it was really down to the last month of service that is was a 77W/A388 mix.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

So far, the non-stop DEL flight looks like it will not be running in the summer. (doesn't appear on AC's booking site). Time is getting tight if there will be an announcement on whether it will continue year round.

geez, I hope it goes year-round, if not this year, then next. That would be such an enormous plus++ for YVR

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

nice pic, but pretty useless !

Why I oughta

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And it looks like AA is extending the daily 319 to LAX for the summer too.

Knew it! (I still haven't removed it from my charts )

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Air France was using the A380 daily right from the start, it was really down to the last month of service that is was a 77W/A388 mix.

Fair enough, i guess it was just the only daily A380 at the time it was announced then because the AF A380 service had already stopped at that point.

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Fair enough, i guess it was just the only daily A380 at the time it was announced then because the AF A380 service had already stopped at that point.

Was nice while it lasted. Maybe when AF reconfigures their A388 without F we'll see it back in service at YUL.

Until then I don't see any airline using the A388 to YUL in the near future.

Perhaps if Emirates were grated more frequencies into Canada both YVR and YUL would be great A380 additions

[LeftCoaster]

I'm sure they would, but I don't see that happening any time soon. And that's a good thing.

[trofirhen]

Just seeing Norwegian year-round out of Seattle makes me envious. That's an airline I woud love to have seen out of YVR. Win some, lose some ....

[sacrifice333]

Some hardcore AvGeeks on here that'll be able to rattle off a response to the following two-part question quicker than I can say, "Google it!":

YVR's passenger levels and Vancouver's distance from many significant (to Vancouver) destinations seems to be "purpose-built" for Boeing's 787 and Airbus' A350. With that in mind, what YVR routes have specifically been opened up by a) the Boeing 787? and b) will be by the A350?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

IMO i think a lot of the missing europe traffic is india traffic going via AC's direct flights or via asia.

So far, the non-stop DEL flight looks like it will not be running in the summer. (doesn't appear on AC's booking site). Time is getting tight if there will be an announcement on whether it will continue year round.

One needs to understand the YVR-DEL market. It is extremely seasonal winter vs summer. The complete opposite of YVR-Europe and YVR cruise season.

Families visit India mainly Autumn through early Spring.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

One needs to understand the YVR-DEL market. It is extremely seasonal winter vs summer. The complete opposite of YVR-Europe and YVR cruise season.

Families visit India mainly Autumn through early Spring.

Perfect for an airline like Air Canada. When traffic to Europe dies off for the 787 aircraft they can shift to India.

[LeftCoaster]

I'm hoping they can go daily through the winter and then perhaps 3x summer.

I wonder how many US travelers they are pulling through YVR.

[sacrifice333]

My wife was on this morning's A350 to HKG. Follow along if you have any interest in the new bird. I believe she's also going to be visiting Cathay's HQ.

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