Winnipeg Construction VIII

[CoR East]

Originally Posted by Cyrodill

Very bright and colorful, His article today showed the Donald side of the build on the opposite side of the color spectrum.Quite the contrast. I find the parking lot photo on Hargave more exciting.

>>>http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/centrepoint-to-reset-bar-227773711.html

Complete lack of ground-floor activation though. Residents of Glasshouse will have to walk past that colourful wall of nothing to get to the activity on Portage... Poor replacement for the wagon wheel IMO.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by CoR East

Complete lack of ground-floor activation though. Residents of Glasshouse will have to walk past that colourful wall of nothing to get to the activity on Portage... Poor replacement for the wagon wheel IMO.

Residents will have to walk past the new brew pub (old 4Play space) to get to Portage Ave. They'll have to walk by the parkade to get to Ellice.

[headhorse]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

Just got back from vacation and the Galpern (Porter) building has some people working on their roof that I can see from my office. Anyone know if that building got sold and/or is scheduled for redevelopment.

Sorry if this was discussed, but there are 20 extra pages of posts since I last logged in.

Yeah, the property was taken down from the usual commercial listings websites a few weeks and there have been people going in and out recently so I'm guessing it sold.

[headhorse]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The new scheme for the CentrePoint parkade was posted on Bellamy's Twitter account today.

Originally Posted by CoR East

Complete lack of ground-floor activation though. Residents of Glasshouse will have to walk past that colourful wall of nothing to get to the activity on Portage... Poor replacement for the wagon wheel IMO.

agreed... originally they had cru's on the ground floor but I guess that changed... couldn't find tenants? cost prohibitive? whatever it is, some serious bullshit from the Centrepoint camp. how many retail tenants were lost to build this parkade? 4/5? and now all of that is being replaced with increased vehicular traffic on the street and nothing done to enhance the pedestrian experience. funny that this rendering came out after TV's article praising Centrepoint's design.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by CoR East

Complete lack of ground-floor activation though. .

I'm not praising this parkade,I agree there is no street level connectivity or buisness/restaurant etc. interaction creating a more active street presence,(why? you can ask the designers right on this forum),I just found the parking lot renders more appealing than the actual Donald St entrance renders. They did a cool smudge render which makes it pop. It's a parkade. No street level presence. Nice color though..

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Where are all these smartly-dressed people with lattes going? There's nowhere to go on this street (except to a car), and certainly nowhere to purchase a latte.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by headhorse

agreed... originally they had cru's on the ground floor but I guess that changed... couldn't find tenants? cost prohibitive? whatever it is, some serious bullshit from the Centrepoint camp. how many retail tenants were lost to build this parkade? 4/5? and now all of that is being replaced with increased vehicular traffic on the street and nothing done to enhance the pedestrian experience. funny that this rendering came out after TV's article praising Centrepoint's design.

yeah...i conveniently ignored the parkade...no way we should be publicly funding parkades with no ground level retail frontage....

[JamieDavid Exchange]

Originally Posted by Authentic_City

Where are all these smartly-dressed people with lattes going? There's nowhere to go on this street (except to a car), and certainly nowhere to purchase a latte.

They are coming/going to the Giant Tiger on Ellice. #sarcasm

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by headhorse

agreed... originally they had cru's on the ground floor but I guess that changed... couldn't find tenants? cost prohibitive? whatever it is, some serious bullshit from the Centrepoint camp. how many retail tenants were lost to build this parkade? 4/5? and now all of that is being replaced with increased vehicular traffic on the street and nothing done to enhance the pedestrian experience. funny that this rendering came out after TV's article praising Centrepoint's design.

Considering the retail space in the parkade on King St is still empty after a few years, it doesn't surprise me that Centerpoint would leave CRUs out of their design.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Considering the retail space in the parkade on King St is still empty after a few years, it doesn't surprise me that Centerpoint would leave CRUs out of their design.

Unless one of you naysayers have a plant to open a retail shop there, I think you really have to realize the days of mom and pop shops are almost done. there's tons of empty storefront right on portage avenue, between this development and main. there's empty retail at the parkade in exchange district. there's empty retail in St. B at the condo complex on goulet. ground level retail on waterfront took forever to fill. the demand for ground level retail is diminishing and should not be forced on anyone.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

I think you really have to realize the days of mom and pop shops are almost done.

There are loads of mom and pop shops in Winnipeg. It's just that not very many of them are situated downtown.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Considering the retail space in the parkade on King St is still empty after a few years, it doesn't surprise me that Centerpoint would leave CRUs out of their design.

I had thought the CRUs in the CenterPoint parkade would be a relatively hot commodity. They seemed well suited to potentinal resturants/bars as part of the SHED with demand for the Donald @ Portage units far exceeding supply. Would have seemed like a logical fit to bounce a couple of them over to the parkade.

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

Unless one of you naysayers have a plant to open a retail shop there, I think you really have to realize the days of mom and pop shops are almost done. there's tons of empty storefront right on portage avenue, between this development and main.

I think part of the problem with the vacancies on Portage is two years ago when the Jets returned demand for CRUs near the arena saw a significant increase. The increase is interest in CRUs in turn pushed the asking rates for any vacancy near the arena up, including the ones described above. Some businesses did okay in the first season but then found the plans were not strong to carry them through the quiet times including the strike.

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by esquire

There are loads of mom and pop shops in Winnipeg. It's just that not very many of them are situated downtown.

I think the bigger issue is that the cost to lease a newly built downtown space is beyond the budgets of many mom and pop shops.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by h0twired

I think the bigger issue is that the cost to lease a newly built downtown space is beyond the budgets of many mom and pop shops.

^^^^ what he said

[steveosnyder]

Originally Posted by Authentic_City

Where are all these smartly-dressed people with lattes going? There's nowhere to go on this street (except to a car), and certainly nowhere to purchase a latte.

You sound like me! I like it

Originally Posted by h0twired

I think the bigger issue is that the cost to lease a newly built downtown space is beyond the budgets of many mom and pop shops.

I think this has part to do with it, but the other part is the amount (and type) of street level activity. If you watch people walking along Portage, King, or Waterfront they are walking because they have somewhere to go and usually walk fairly fast (unless they are a street person, but they aren't really going to be customers anyways). At the same time, watching people walk around the Albert/Arthur area (and to some extent Graham) and it is usually they are walking because it is pleasant to walk there. They stop, sit and read, etc.

That, coupled with the fact that leases in this area would be lower make it much more suited for street level retail.

EDIT: I guess it is a bit of a pleasure to walk along Waterfront, but I can't say the same about Portage and/or King, unless you are an urbanophile like most of the people here.

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

You sound like me! I like it



I think this has part to do with it, but the other part is the amount (and type) of street level activity. If you watch people walking along Portage, King, or Waterfront they are walking because they have somewhere to go and usually walk fairly fast (unless they are a street person, but they aren't really going to be customers anyways). At the same time, watching people walk around the Albert/Arthur area (and to some extent Graham) and it is usually they are walking because it is pleasant to walk there. They stop, sit and read, etc.

That, coupled with the fact that leases in this area would be lower make it much more suited for street level retail.

EDIT: I guess it is a bit of a pleasure to walk along Waterfront, but I can't say the same about Portage and/or King, unless you are an urbanophile like most of the people here.

Agreed. The lack of pedestrian traffic definitely killed the possibility of adding CRUs to the parkade, however had they been built they probably would remain vacant due to the sheer cost per sq ft coupled by the crappy location.

That said, lease rates are definitely the greater influence here as the Alabama Block was almost fully occupied prior to its demolition.

[bomberjet]

Edgewood Estates posting on the journal of commerce site.
http://www.journalofcommerce.com/cgi-bin...5b0c49&projectid=9073585&region=prairies

APARTMENT BUILDING ADDN Proj: 9073585-31
Winnipeg, Division No 11 MB NEGOTIATED/PLANS COMPLETE
Edgewood Estates, 60/70 Whellams Ave, R2G 2G8
$50,000,000 est
Start: 2014 Complete: 2015
Note: This project has been placed on hold by the owner. Working drawings are complete. Invited sub trade tenders issued by the Gen Cont closed April 23, 2013. Schedules for sub trade awards and construction start are undetermined pending the owners decision to proceed.
Project: cast-in-place concrete structural frame, fuel fired heating system, steam/hot water heating system, construction of a 198-unit residential addition to an existing apartment building. The project will also include two levels of underground parking.
Scope: 207,000 square feet; 22 storeys; 2 storeys below grade; 198 units; parking for 560 cars

Also a posting about the Journey to Churchill exhibit. Not much news there. And a posting that the Lakeview hotel is on hold.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Edgewood Estates posting on the journal of commerce site.
http://www.journalofcommerce.com/cgi-bin...5b0c49&projectid=9073585&region=prairies

APARTMENT BUILDING ADDN Proj: 9073585-31
Winnipeg, Division No 11 MB NEGOTIATED/PLANS COMPLETE
Edgewood Estates, 60/70 Whellams Ave, R2G 2G8
$50,000,000 est
Start: 2014 Complete: 2015
Note: This project has been placed on hold by the owner. Working drawings are complete. Invited sub trade tenders issued by the Gen Cont closed April 23, 2013. Schedules for sub trade awards and construction start are undetermined pending the owners decision to proceed.
Project: cast-in-place concrete structural frame, fuel fired heating system, steam/hot water heating system, construction of a 198-unit residential addition to an existing apartment building. The project will also include two levels of underground parking.
Scope: 207,000 square feet; 22 storeys; 2 storeys below grade; 198 units; parking for 560 cars

Also a posting about the Journey to Churchill exhibit. Not much news there. And a posting that the Lakeview hotel is on hold.

IS this sceduled to proceed?

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Cyrodill

IS this sceduled to proceed?

No clue. I'm going to assume no, with a possibility it may go next year. Citing the 2014 construction start in the article.

[cheswick]

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