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Old Posted Feb 3, 2016, 6:13 AM
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Is there any movement on this project, or are these just old renderings from a year years back?
The renders are from September 2015 so they aren't that old. The project though status wise is still in review so no plans have gone to council or public hearing. That means it is still likely a ways away.

I know Surrey wants any tower at the corner of 108th to be what they would term "iconic" and also to be quite tall, so there is likely a lot of back and fourth happening.

Tien Sher is also a developer that tends to be amazingly slow at developing things lately. I think the fire that happened a few years ago that burned down one entire building during construction set them back project timeline wise for a lot of these follow up projects.
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Anyone have 25mill kicking around under the mattress?

https://www.realtor.ca/Commercial/Vacant...ARD-North-Surrey-British-Columbia-V6K2H5
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2016, 3:50 AM
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For those interested, Surrey is holding an Open House on March 9 to show off plans for the City Centre.

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A Public Open House will be held at the City Centre Library on Wednesday, March 9th, 2016 to view the future vision and plans for the area. This Open House will provide residents, owners, students, businesses, and other interested parties with an opportunity to:

Learn about the new buildings, parks services, and transit planned for the downtown;
View displays of different City Centre neighbourhoods and land uses;
See plans for future City Centre bike lanes and greenways;
Learn about plans for District Energy; and
Try out the interactive new City Centre computer 3-D building model.
Members of City staff will be on hand to answer questions during the evening. City Staff will give a brief presentation at approximately 6:00 pm. There will also be interactive kid’s activities.


The open house will be held on:

Date: Wednesday, March 9th, 2016
Time: 4:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m.
(Presentation at 6:00 p.m.)
Place: City Centre Library (Room 120)
10350 University Drive, Surrey
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2016, 5:20 AM
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Here are the display boards and presentation from last night's Surrey City Centre Open House. There is also a link to a 3D model where you can turn off/on the various high rise proposals in the area. It will only work using Chrome though.

Display Boards:
http://www.surrey.ca/files/All%20Display%20Boards.pdf

Presentation:
http://www.surrey.ca/files/CC%20PPT_March%209%20for%20website.pdf

3D City Centre Model (Only works using Google Chrome):
http://arcg.is/1nAs8sV
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2016, 6:18 AM
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Here are the display boards and presentation from last night's Surrey City Centre Open House. There is also a link to a 3D model where you can turn off/on the various high rise proposals in the area. It will only work using Chrome though.
Thanks Shift!
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2016, 7:11 AM
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Thanks...looks good!!
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2016, 8:45 PM
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Some views from the model:












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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 1:12 AM
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 2:29 AM
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There was an interview in the paper recently where Charan sethi the developer said that he will be starting on the dirty bird project this year.

In his defence, Balance sold out quickly and he was able to get the third building of Quattro finished even with the fire, which would hammer anyone other than the big boys like bosa or concord....

I am betting on this sooner than later, especially with the new grocery store by gateway , new commercial by gateway and the reno of the dell center to make it a serviceable local mall vs the old rice wine hangout
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 4:09 AM
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Very cool model, but it just shows how even when built out Surrey will still be so anti-urban. It will always feel like a suburb.
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There was an interview in the paper recently where Charan sethi the developer said that he will be starting on the dirty bird project this year.

In his defence, Balance sold out quickly and he was able to get the third building of Quattro finished even with the fire, which would hammer anyone other than the big boys like bosa or concord....

I am betting on this sooner than later, especially with the new grocery store by gateway , new commercial by gateway and the reno of the dell center to make it a serviceable local mall vs the old rice wine hangout
Balance hasn't sold out.

I will have to see if I can find the mailer I received recently from them however they were practically giving the units away with buyers incentives.
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Very cool model, but it just shows how even when built out Surrey will still be so anti-urban. It will always feel like a suburb.
Isn't Berlin like that, full of sparsely filled spaces and large expanses of parkland.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 5:04 AM
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Isn't Berlin line that, full of sparsely filled spaces and large expanses of parkland.
Some part of East Berlin, yes. But East Germany wasn't a very good example of urban planning. The parts of the city that still follow pre-WWII street grids are very different.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 5:42 AM
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Very cool model, but it just shows how even when built out Surrey will still be so anti-urban. It will always feel like a suburb.
Just so you're aware, that won't be the full build-out of Surrey. Many current applications aren't even shown on that model. It will take time, but even when all of the current applications are built the area will continue to fill in at a steady, even more rapid pace.

If you take the time to read the Open House presentation boards you will see that the city centre is going to develop as a very high quality urban centre based on set design guidelines.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2016, 5:46 AM
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Isn't Berlin like that, full of sparsely filled spaces and large expanses of parkland.
Berlin is quite dense and compact much like Paris or London. Not many high rises but 4-6 storey apartment blocks blanket a large area of the city.
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There was a few articles I remember at the time how well balance had sold, maybe not 100% sold out but I think it has done well
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Thanks for the update, Shift.

On another note, Westone has plans to build 4 towers after Evolve in the Urban Village, rather than the the 3 standard placeholder towers in the model. The next tower after Evolve is sighted to be 45 stories with the following tower (phase 6) to be 42 stories which would change the model. Also, the Holland Pointe tower in the north east corner of the lot is supposed to be at least 160 M, which is also not represented in the model.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2016, 4:09 AM
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Here are the display boards and presentation from last night's Surrey City Centre Open House. There is also a link to a 3D model where you can turn off/on the various high rise proposals in the area. It will only work using Chrome though.

Display Boards:
http://www.surrey.ca/files/All%20Display%20Boards.pdf

Presentation:
http://www.surrey.ca/files/CC%20PPT_March%209%20for%20website.pdf
The plan is fine n all, but I don't get the strategy behind preserving the 2 single family areas. Those wide lots are big enough for at least 3 row-houses each. The number of families given the opportunity to live in the City Centre is tripled.

Home prices in Surrey are rising very quickly, and soon Surrey will be a part of the million dollar club, like Richmond, Burnaby, and Port Moody are.

Every municipality needs to build row-houses. Preserving single detached homes will only make housing even more unaffordable.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2016, 10:35 PM
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The plan is fine n all, but I don't get the strategy behind preserving the 2 single family areas. Those wide lots are big enough for at least 3 row-houses each. The number of families given the opportunity to live in the City Centre is tripled.

Home prices in Surrey are rising very quickly, and soon Surrey will be a part of the million dollar club, like Richmond, Burnaby, and Port Moody are.

Every municipality needs to build row-houses. Preserving single detached homes will only make housing even more unaffordable.
Not sure why either other than I know at least the South-West section of Single Family Homes are all relatively new aka built in the last 10 years. I'd imagine given many are still on the new side, they anticipate little redevelopment happening and want to, for now, keep the area from being faces with 5 2-storey homes next to a n 18 storey high rise next to 5 more 2-storey homes which would look pretty ridiculous. Also I'd imagine they want to force the dense development into the centers and leave those areas to the future.

Look at the Vancouver city's growth plans over the past 30 years or so. (1) they have changed several times and (2) areas like False Creek and such were 30 years ago put down as being single family or low density/industrial but look at them today.

Same could happen here. if Surrey Centre truly does densify and push up, eventually those SFH areas will be flanked and upscale I'm sure. There's a lot to be built though in the area already slated for higher density. If you take standard high rise measurements and go through all the Mixed-Use and Mid-Rise areas, you could fit a good 500+ high rises in that space so there's plenty of space to build. The "downtown Surrey" core area as marked out is roughly the same size as Downtown Vancouver. Downtown Vancouver is about 5.2 square km (up to Main Street). "Downtown" Surrey marked out is also about 5.2 square km.

Just my thoughts though on why they are leaving them in place. Focus development in the core areas so that density is close together rather than spread out. Deal with those other areas in 20-30 years when the center is far more dense and urban.


Sorry forgot to address your other point about rising house prices. Surrey unlike most other cities in the region still has a lot of overall space to build so the row houses and SFH are all being built outside the core. Vancouver (and to a degree Richmond and Burnaby) are effectively out of space so they really can't build new in large quantities. Surrey will eventually run out of space too that's for sure but it has a good 2-3 decades until then not to mention most of South Surrey is able to be subdivided to fit more SFH into the areas. So I'm less worried about the Surrey house price index. Clayton for example is all row houses and mid-rise. Panorama is the same. Morgan Heights, same. A mixture of row houses and townhouses in those 2 areas. Also tones of row houses and townhouses being built in South Newton between 72nd and Hwy 10 and there's a bunch starting to be built along King George between 64th and HWY 10.

Surrey isn't focusing on building that next to "downtown." If you want an affordable SFH you need to move away from the core. The problem regionally is an expectation that you can have a nice affordable detached single family home with a back yard right next to the downtown core. That doesn't happen in any city on the planet so it is a completely unrealistic expectation in Vancouver.

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You're post is a little hard to follow, but I think I get the gist of it.

All these apartments that we are building are not big enough for a family, but that's all we build. That's why the average price of a house now tops a million dollars in Burnaby and Richmond, and it won't be long before Surrey tops a million dollars.

We have less than 25% of the land that Calgary has. Less than 50% of the land that Toronto has. We don't have room for single detached homes in Metro Vancouver.

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Surrey and Langley are among the areas in the Fraser Valley Real Estate Board, which reported that prices for detached houses in its territory averaged $804,391 last month, up 20.5 per cent from a year earlier.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ices-for-detached-homes/article28027973/
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