The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 561

MalcolmTucker · #**11201** Posted **Aug 19, 2018, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Edmontons line isn't unexpectedly priced IMO, with the Con. Line it was built largely in a row that already existed, and Edmonton's Line does have a decently long elevated section, a fairly large new bridge, and a tunnel.

Yeah, the same things cost more to build in Alberta. We are further away from everything for importing material and specialized labour, and have higher local labour costs even coming out of a recession. Also, Edmonton has huge ground heave issues because it used to be the bottom of an ocean and everything is on sand. The tunnel also had to deal with passing through and near previously mined coal deposits.

gunnar777 · #**11202** Posted **Aug 20, 2018, 4:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

Good gravy. One less reason to ever move to Edmonton: the civic government never learns and all its f-ups end up swept under carpets. They should not be in the business of rapid transit, given their record the last few decades.

I think we can all agree that Edmonton gets a pass though because their mayor is hot.

Reecemartin · #**11203** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 2:31 AM**

Just made a new video outlining Torontos transit expansion in the next decade or two, I'm planning on doing similar videos for all the Canadian Rail Systems!
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...5#post-1367631

p_xavier · #**11204** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 11:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Just made a new video outlining Torontos transit expansion in the next decade or two, I'm planning on doing similar videos for all the Canadian Rail Systems!
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...5#post-1367631

Link doesn't work...

J.OT13 · #**11205** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 12:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Just made a new video outlining Torontos transit expansion in the next decade or two, I'm planning on doing similar videos for all the Canadian Rail Systems!
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread...5#post-1367631

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Link doesn't work...

Link.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-other-items-catch-all.20264/page-565#post-1367631

Video.

• Video Link

Good stuff.

mistercorporate · #**11206** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 12:22 PM**

Great job bro, I checked out your other vids too, keep it up!!

J.OT13 · #**11207** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 4:04 PM**

Rideau

https://twitter.com/otrainfans613/status/1031262237774766080

uOttawa

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/1031168941123674112

https://twitter.com/otrainfans613/status/1030959820793360385

Parliament

https://twitter.com/otrainfans613/status/1031689305998143490

TorontoDrew · #**11208** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 4:11 PM**

Nice.

TorontoDrew · #**11209** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 8:23 PM**

Some early renders of the Scarborough City Centre new station on the Line 2 extension. Looks like a really nice building that will only ad pressue on the already overcrowded Line 1. What an amazing waste of money that was done just to secure votes.

Source: http://urbantoronto.ca
Link: http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2018/08/design-progress-controversial-scarborough-subway-extension

Reecemartin · #**11210** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 9:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Some early renders of the Scarborough City Centre new station on the Line 2 extension. Looks like a really nice building that will only ad pressue on the already overcrowded Line 1. What an amazing waste of money that was done just to secure votes.

Source: http://urbantoronto.ca
Link: http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2018/08/design-progress-controversial-scarborough-subway-extension

Your sentiment is off, no matter what happens in Scarborough Line 1 needs relief. My preference would still be a major SRT overhaul for 1/10th the price but SCARBOROUGH NEEDS A SUBWAY NOT JUST DOWNTOWN ELITES

Reecemartin · #**11211** Posted **Aug 21, 2018, 10:00 PM**

Episode 2 of my future transit series: Edmonton!

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1ZaOmdE6GkM

p_xavier · #**11212** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 3:40 PM**

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/re...-128-billion-15-year-loan-691452651.html

That should mean the allocated GoC funds for the REM are now free to be used for other transit projects in QC.

J.OT13 · #**11213** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Episode 2 of my future transit series: Edmonton!

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1ZaOmdE6GkM

• Video Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZaOmdE6GkM

MonkeyRonin · #**11214** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

SCARBOROUGH NEEDS A SUBWAY NOT JUST DOWNTOWN ELITES

Satire, I hope?

GeneralLea · #**11215** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Your sentiment is off, no matter what happens in Scarborough Line 1 needs relief. My preference would still be a major SRT overhaul for 1/10th the price but SCARBOROUGH NEEDS A SUBWAY NOT JUST DOWNTOWN ELITES

Excuse me? There hasn't been a single downtown subway line built in the last 50 years. We've ONLY been seeing construction of suburban off shoots to the downtown portion of the subway since then (unless you call the Eglinton Crosstown a part of adding to the City of Toronto, which it technically is)

I do agree the Scarborough transit line replacement MUST be built soon...but keep in mind calling out "downtown elites" is grabbing at straws. I'd like to see a subway for Scarborough, with intermediate subway stations built later on (like the creation of North York Centre in the 80's.)

The issue at hand has been and will be political stagnation and incompetence to building transit, but more importantly, the cost. Toronto must wait to build transit because the costs are so high....which really sucks for the city at this time, but is a result of political inaction. I'm not really understanding the point of building the Finch LRT before the Scarborough subway or what have you AT ALL. The city's priorities are just inane.

MalcolmTucker · #**11216** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/re...-128-billion-15-year-loan-691452651.html

That should mean the allocated GoC funds for the REM are now free to be used for other transit projects in QC.

The project is really confident it is going to make a return.

p_xavier · #**11217** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 4:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

The project is really confident it is going to make a return.

The projections were that, without McGill and Édouard-Montpetit, it was expected to make 8% yearly return. With those stations added, it should be more than that as expected (conservative) ridership will be about 15% more than planned. The REM also has a green fund so you can buy REM RRSPs.

Expected new REM lines are supposed to be entirely aerial and in available ROWs, so they could make even more a fortune. All of that for less subsidy per user than a bus...

J.OT13 · #**11218** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Your sentiment is off, no matter what happens in Scarborough Line 1 needs relief. My preference would still be a major SRT overhaul for 1/10th the price but SCARBOROUGH NEEDS A SUBWAY NOT JUST DOWNTOWN ELITES

IMHO, they should have used the SRT right of way, and any salvageable existing infrastructure, in order to convert it as part of the Eglington LRT or Bloor-Danforth Subway. This would have been exponentially cheaper and could have preserved as many of the existing stations as required.

Yes, the area would have lost the SRT for a few years, but it's not a critical piece of infrastructure. With the existing plan, most of the service will be lost anyway. If Ottawa can go years without the Transitway for conversion, Scarborough can do the same.

MalcolmTucker · #**11219** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

The projections were that, without McGill and Édouard-Montpetit, it was expected to make 8% yearly return. With those stations added, it should be more than that as expected (conservative) ridership will be about 15% more than planned. The REM also has a green fund so you can buy REM RRSPs.

Expected new REM lines are supposed to be entirely aerial and in available ROWs, so they could make even more a fortune. All of that for less subsidy per user than a bus...

What ever happened to value capture around stations, almost like tax increment financing? Is that the linchpin to the work?

p_xavier · #**11220** Posted **Aug 22, 2018, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

What ever happened to value capture around stations, almost like tax increment financing? Is that the linchpin to the work?

It's been law since a couple of months. The ARTM paid the REM organisation a lump sum of 512M$. The ARTM has up to 40 years to get back this money through a (re)development charge per sf on lots 1km from any station or 500m on downtown MTL stations. (might be 1.5km and 750m, can't find the summary)

This will probably also be used for the upcoming blue line stations as the law was not only for the REM.