Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by logan5

And this grizzly knife attack in Sweden only 2 months ago that left 2 women dead. Thankfully this type of mass killing rarely happens in Vancouver.

Yeah, it is really puzzling what on Earth has taken over previously friendly Sven and Anders, making Sweden both the rape and gun violence capital of Europe. It is truly puzzling to us neighbors how Sweden went to complete shit in just two decades and without any known reason to Sven and Anders' behaviour!!

Thankfully yesterday's random stab-athlon has again been explained as just part and parcel of living in a major city. Just like Lynn Valley. I look forward to the same comment in few days' time, when the inevitable next case hits the news. Who knows, maybe it will be the same perp finally getting to murder someone!

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Yeah, it is really puzzling what on Earth has taken over previously friendly Sven and Anders, making Sweden both the rape and gun violence capital of Europe. It is truly puzzling to us neighbors how Sweden went to complete shit in just two decades and without any known reason to Sven and Anders' behaviour!!

Thankfully yesterday's random stab-athlon has again been explained as just part and parcel of living in a major city. Just like Lynn Valley. I look forward to the same comment in few days' time, when the inevitable next case hits the news. Who knows, maybe it will be the same perp finally getting to murder someone!

You won't have to wait that long.. today's attack...

Woman stabbed by stranger at Surrey Superstore
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/06/02...YrtccZiGoMrbna0LaMq-5fY2TEHoCOtdSguRy4zI

Ron.

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by Vin

Nope, I think what killed Granville Street are the large number of slums created above the retail spaces, and City policies that do not encourage its renewal. Craziness and all other nice social problems ensued in this neighbourhood, driving away businesses and visitors. Pedestrainized or not, it will never be what it was in the 30s to 60s. Just a sad sad street with hobos and drugs addicts wandering or loitering around.

This is exactly how East Hastings Street at the DTES was created in the first place.

We can target Davie Street next, but unfortunately it does not have too many beautiful higher-density heritage buildings to turn into slums.

Social problems are a two-fold problem of:
1) letting homeless/addicts to fend-for-themselves. Once someone is an addict they are willing to do anything to feed that addiction, and not just drugs, there's also gambling addicts who fall into the same trap.
2) people "I got mine" just turning a blind eye

This is why in some cities you see urban decay, and others you don't. The cities with urban decay are a result of trying to cram all the people nobody wants to care about into a tight space, and gradually encroach on it until they fight back.

And the solutions are simple, albeit, nobody wants to do it because it looks bad.
- put anyone unsheltered in a "shelter" that is basically a low-security prison.
- demolish all buildings not meeting fire/seismic building code
- mandatory occupancy of all buildings and suites within. If the owner is not living/working in the building, then they must hire someone to be available on-site 24/7 to resolve maintenance issues. Empty suites must be inspected daily for maintenance/security issues, and the power is not permitted to be disconnected for empty suites to prevent mold growth.
- All damage to fire-safety, electrical, plumbing or gas systems must be reported to the city, and subsequently inspected.

Many homeless people decline help because government "housing" is often worse than the disgusting SRO's they can't afford anyway.

As for the "free drugs" comments. As much as I hate the idea, I see why. The idea is to reduce the crimes caused by addicts, but it's not a solution. It's just another looking-the-other-way.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Yeah, it is really puzzling what on Earth has taken over previously friendly Sven and Anders, making Sweden both the rape and gun violence capital of Europe. It is truly puzzling to us neighbors how Sweden went to complete shit in just two decades and without any known reason to Sven and Anders' behaviour!!

Thankfully yesterday's random stab-athlon has again been explained as just part and parcel of living in a major city. Just like Lynn Valley. I look forward to the same comment in few days' time, when the inevitable next case hits the news. Who knows, maybe it will be the same perp finally getting to murder someone!

Just say immigrants.

More homogenous societies are seemingly ill-equipped to integrate large numbers of immigrants and refugees. Racism and ethnocentrism are too deeply embedded. The capacity of an immigrant/refugee to adapt from their previous circumstances is going to be challenging.

Every state also has the right to screen and limit immigrants/refugees based on the ability of both the state and the immigrant to live harmoniously together.

[Phil McAvity]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I am not excusing anyone who commits a crime

It's pretty clear that you didn't blame the criminal though:

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

instead of blaming a crime wave or the decline of society we blamed ourselves for not being street smart.

Firstly, it must suck blaming yourself for the wrongdoing of others, for some reason you have a guilty conscience but more importantly as long as people continue to place blame in tbe wrong direction, these problems will continue because if we don't place blame where it belongs then we can't even begin to solve problems. Using your logic decent, law-abiding citizens are to blame for all the crime commited by these scrotes which is of course risible and precludes any attempt at a solution

[FarmerHaight]

[QUOTE=Phil McAvity;9640594]Firstly, it must suck blaming yourself for the wrongdoing of others.../QUOTE]

You don't understand, I can be frustrated by crime and hope various initiatives are successful in curtailing it. But I can also recognize my own lack of common-sense.

It's just like defensive driving. If I get in an automobile accident where the other driver is at fault, I may not suffer any financial consequences (ignore the ICBC bewildering no-fault insurance for the sake of simplicity) but I will probably miss my work meeting, or be late for the dentist, or at least have to arrange for the repair shop to fix my car. All of that is an inconvenience, which is why I'll stop for someone running a red even if I have the ROW or I'll swerve onto the shoulder if someone changes lanes without shoulder-checking. I don't stubbornly let another driver hit me or leave a laptop on my passenger seat just because other people shouldn't do bad things.

[Changing City]

Police charged a 61 year old man, following the machete attack at the East Hastings gas station earlier in the week.

"He made his first court appearance before Judge Gregory Rideout on June 2 but appeared confused in court. He was ordered an overnight assessment, which he did not comply with, the court heard.

The two-week assessment was ordered during his second appearance on June 3 after lawyers and Rideout expressed concern about possible paranoia issues on Chudek's part." [source]

There's no mention of illicit drug use, although that can be related to paranoid thoughts. It can also have a genetic cause, be triggered by a head trauma, or result from mental illness like schizophrenia.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Police charged a 61 year old man, following the machete attack at the East Hastings gas station earlier in the week.

"He made his first court appearance before Judge Gregory Rideout on June 2 but appeared confused in court. He was ordered an overnight assessment, which he did not comply with, the court heard.

The two-week assessment was ordered during his second appearance on June 3 after lawyers and Rideout expressed concern about possible paranoia issues on Chudek's part." [source]

There's no mention of illicit drug use, although that can be related to paranoid thoughts. It can also have a genetic cause, be triggered by a head trauma, or result from mental illness like schizophrenia.

I wonder if he was released in between the court hearings.

I dare say his paranoia is related to drug-use. We have too many people here with paranoia and I don't think they are all conked in the head.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Kisai

Social problems are a two-fold problem of:
1) letting homeless/addicts to fend-for-themselves. Once someone is an addict they are willing to do anything to feed that addiction, and not just drugs, there's also gambling addicts who fall into the same trap.
2) people "I got mine" just turning a blind eye

This is why in some cities you see urban decay, and others you don't. The cities with urban decay are a result of trying to cram all the people nobody wants to care about into a tight space, and gradually encroach on it until they fight back.

And the solutions are simple, albeit, nobody wants to do it because it looks bad.
- put anyone unsheltered in a "shelter" that is basically a low-security prison.
- demolish all buildings not meeting fire/seismic building code
- mandatory occupancy of all buildings and suites within. If the owner is not living/working in the building, then they must hire someone to be available on-site 24/7 to resolve maintenance issues. Empty suites must be inspected daily for maintenance/security issues, and the power is not permitted to be disconnected for empty suites to prevent mold growth.
- All damage to fire-safety, electrical, plumbing or gas systems must be reported to the city, and subsequently inspected.

Many homeless people decline help because government "housing" is often worse than the disgusting SRO's they can't afford anyway.

As for the "free drugs" comments. As much as I hate the idea, I see why. The idea is to reduce the crimes caused by addicts, but it's not a solution. It's just another looking-the-other-way.

I completely agree with what you are saying. We can see the decline of North America by seeing how apathetic governments have become to the plight of the middle class, hardworking people. At the same time, authorities are letting the cities decay while at the same the same time pretending they are sympathetic towards the underprivileged, when they are actually not doing anything to alleviate the problems, or like you said, looking the other way. Giving free drugs is just using tax payer money to lower the stats of quick OD deaths, but this will create more social problems down the road, because in the end, all hardcore addicts die unnatural deaths. In fact, the government is helping more into the fold. Well, the decline of western civilization starts here.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

I wonder if he was released in between the court hearings.

I dare say his paranoia is related to drug-use. We have too many people here with paranoia and I don't think they are all conked in the head.

He remains in custody. He appeared via video from Vancouver Police Department (VPD) cells. It's impressive that you can diagnose the cause of someone's mental health without any evidence.

[jollyburger]

Same judge handed out 30 months for a similar random throat stabbing a few weeks ago.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/victim-was-stabbed...-lunchtime-by-a-stranger-judge-1.5909006

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Just say immigrants.

More homogenous societies are seemingly ill-equipped to integrate large numbers of immigrants and refugees. Racism and ethnocentrism are too deeply embedded. The capacity of an immigrant/refugee to adapt from their previous circumstances is going to be challenging.

Every state also has the right to screen and limit immigrants/refugees based on the ability of both the state and the immigrant to live harmoniously together.

If this is true, then the homelands of non-Swedish violent criminals residing in Sweden should all be havens of peace, right? Given there are no evil, racist, ethnocentric Swedes there to torment them?

[Skook]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/

Interesting article from The Atlantic on San Francisco's current problems. Unfortunately, it all sounds very familiar.

[Sheba]

...and at the other end of the spectrum - Vancouver makes drinking in public plazas permanent summer program

Vancouver City Council has approved public drinking as a permanent program in six plazas around the city this summer.

Alcohol consumption is permitted from June 15 to Oct. 16 at the following locations:

* Cambie St and 17th Ave
* Granville St and 13th Ave
* Granville St and 14th Ave
* Maple St and 4th Ave
* Main St and 21st Ave
* Lot 19 (855 W Hastings St)

According to the city, the plazas will operate from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m.

“To the many people like me who do not have access to a backyard or private outdoor space, these plazas give us all a chance connect and socialize with one another while enjoying a drink outside,” said Mayor Kennedy Stewart.

For the past two summers, Vancouverites were able to enjoy alcohol in designated plazas as part of a pilot program.

Similarly, the Alcohol in Parks Pilot Program is still underway at 22 different parks between 11 a.m. and 9 p.m., seven days a week.

The city implemented the public drinking programs in response to the pandemic as a way to support businesses, and increase limited options to go out at the beginning of the health crisis.

[jollyburger]

Priorities are really strong at city hall.

Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart is pushing to extend nightlife closing times to 3 a.m. in an effort to make Vancouver “more fun.”

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/06/08/vancouver-mayor-nightlife/

[Acajack]

A civilized city should actually be able to take these types of measures, without all hell breaking loose.

This would be the mark of a mature society.

[Klazu]

And just how costly this is going to be?

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/sh...-down-burnabys-metrotown-library-5456266

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Skook

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/how-san-francisco-became-failed-city/661199/

Interesting article from The Atlantic on San Francisco's current problems. Unfortunately, it all sounds very familiar.

Always pretending to be "progressive" and proud to be "politically correct", but at the same time too chicken to speak up or take actions about the obvious decay. This has landed San Francisco to what it is today.

We have our own version here in Vancouver, especially the DTES and Granville Street. The city continues to be full of chickens that pretend not too see the decay and instead look elsewhere.

North American West Coast cities are all spiralling downwards due to drug addiction coupled with its "political correct" culture, so much so that this "chill" areas of the continent is now lagging in many other areas of life, including the efficiencies of ports that are so vital to trade:

Port of Vancouver is the world's 3rd worst port for efficiency and performance
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/port-of-vancouver-global-ranking-shipping-delays-bottleneck

The worst two, not surprisingly, are Long Beach and Los Angeles.

I suppose everyone just wants to work/do less but enjoy more.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

I suppose everyone just wants to work/do less but enjoy more.

I know I do!

[Vin]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Priorities are really strong at city hall.



https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/06/08/vancouver-mayor-nightlife/

This is the quickest way to pull in fast votes from the late teen and college demographics.