YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 558

Cage · #**11141** Posted **Feb 4, 2017, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

Ultimately once due process runs its course, I can't see how the ban can be continued in canada. I'm not sure how this would effect YVR, maybe mininmally as most (?all) transborder flights go to larger american airports with customs.

If the ban is enforced in the USA, it must be enforced in Canada. Attempts to remove the ban in Canada would render all international flights from Canada inadmissible at the destination country. All countries require inbound international flights to check each passenger for acceptable entry documents (passport and visa). The travel ban is reliant on the airlines being forced to conduct the document check. Consequently before anyone in Canada could challenge USCBP, the document check must be rendered inactive. The document check process is a requirement of each bilateral, no document check and no entry rights are granted by the receiving country.

Assuming that someone wanted to challenge the Trump Ban in Canada, they would have to go before a USCBP officer. In order to get before the USCBP in Canada, the airline must conduct a document check. The document check is a requirement of the airline tariff, which passengers agree to on ticket purchase and which the CTA has deemed to be compliant with Canadian law.

First step for a plaintiff is a hearing before the CTA to challenge the document check provisions in the tariff. Second step is judicial review of the CTA decision. Third step is review of the judicial review by the Supreme Court of Canada. If the Supreme Court considers the document check to be contrary to The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the plaintiff can then go before USCBP and begin their Trump ban challenge.

Johnny Aussie · #**11142** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 5:15 PM**

Delta boosting YVR-ATL to 6 weekly this summer.

All flights will operate with 738s and will operate daily except Tuesdays 1245 departure.

teriyaki · #**11143** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 6:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Effective April 10th

CZ377 CAN2330 - 2035YVR2205 - 0515+1MEX 788 146
CZ378 MEX0745 - 1055YVR1225 - 1630+1CAN 788 257

CZ329 CAN1400 - 1105YVR 77W D
CZ330 YVR1310 - 1715+1CAN 77W D

Seems like there will be 2 CZ planes at YVR from 1105 to 1225 on Tues-Fri-Sun... There is still enough gate during that time!?

Does CZ have fifth freedom rights to sell tickets on the yvr to mex legs? That'd be interesting to have a wide body on this route.

Johnny Aussie · #**11144** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

Does CZ have fifth freedom rights to sell tickets on the yvr to mex legs? That'd be interesting to have a wide body on this route.

I'm pretty sure they don't.

excel · #**11145** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 6:58 PM**

Good news about ATL. What was the frequency last summer?

casper · #**11146** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

If the ban is enforced in the USA, it must be enforced in Canada. Attempts to remove the ban in Canada would render all international flights from Canada inadmissible at the destination country. All countries require inbound international flights to check each passenger for acceptable entry documents (passport and visa). The travel ban is reliant on the airlines being forced to conduct the document check. Consequently before anyone in Canada could challenge USCBP, the document check must be rendered inactive. The document check process is a requirement of each bilateral, no document check and no entry rights are granted by the receiving country.

Assuming that someone wanted to challenge the Trump Ban in Canada, they would have to go before a USCBP officer. In order to get before the USCBP in Canada, the airline must conduct a document check. The document check is a requirement of the airline tariff, which passengers agree to on ticket purchase and which the CTA has deemed to be compliant with Canadian law.

First step for a plaintiff is a hearing before the CTA to challenge the document check provisions in the tariff. Second step is judicial review of the CTA decision. Third step is review of the judicial review by the Supreme Court of Canada. If the Supreme Court considers the document check to be contrary to The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the plaintiff can then go before USCBP and begin their Trump ban challenge.

Sounds complicated. Someone wanting to do this is more likely to do it at a ground crossing. Preclearance occurs on ships departing Victoria year round and Vancouvrr in the summer. At the Via rail station in Vancouver year round.

I would be surprised if a Canadian court wants to take a stance on it. The airline is simply following the rules if it from a country that does not need a visa or if the passport has a visa your good to go. The issue of how a visa is issued or not into a passport is done in an embassy or consulate.

jmt18325 · #**11147** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 7:51 PM**

The problem is that US CBP is here with the consent of the Government of Canada. That means that they have to follow Canadian law.

wave46 · #**11148** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 8:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

I would be surprised if a Canadian court wants to take a stance on it. The airline is simply following the rules if it from a country that does not need a visa or if the passport has a visa your good to go. The issue of how a visa is issued or not into a passport is done in an embassy or consulate.

I suspect everybody is holding their breath until the US judicial system deals with the numerous court cases regarding the executive order.

It does seem prudent that the Canadian government is looking into this matter as it is better to be proactive with a plan as opposed to reactive when someone brings a case before Canadian courts.

I think the only power US CBP officers have in Canada is to deny boarding to passengers. They have no legal power of arrest or detention. I'm not sure if denying boarding is a violation of law.

I think most US flights would be unaffected as with the exception of LaGuardia Airport, which has no customs facilities, but there might be a mess with regards to gates at arrival airports.

jmt18325 · #**11149** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 8:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

I think the only power US CBP officers have in Canada is to deny boarding to passengers. They have no legal power of arrest or detention.

I believe they can hold you for violations of Canadian law.

jmt18325 · #**11150** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 9:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by wave46

I think most US flights would be unaffected as with the exception of LaGuardia Airport, which has no customs facilities, but there might be a mess with regards to gates at arrival airports.

I think a lot of flights from Toronto would be affected.

casper · #**11151** Posted **Feb 5, 2017, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I think a lot of flights from Toronto would be affected.

The reality is aCanadian court is not going to rule on the validity of a foreign country issuing a visa or not. If it ever did it was cause no end of problems. The Chinese or Russian or Japanese or a host of other countries in Canada issue or deny visas for a host of reasons that could or could not be consistent with the Canadian charter. When US customs stamps you passport and let's you board they are basically doing the same thing as an embassy or consolate.

moosejaw · #**11152** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 2:29 AM**

US customs officers operating in Canada have the power to deny boarding similar to andy land border crossing. They have no power to detain nor arrest. The preclearance zone in any foreign airport falls under the jurisdiction of the host country.

stiffdeadman · #**11153** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Delta boosting YVR-ATL to 6 weekly this summer.

All flights will operate with 738s and will operate daily except Tuesdays 1245 departure.

nice. too bad they didn't keep the 757 on saturdays. i'm flying on one in march from seattle to orlando. never flown on one so looking forward to it.

trofirhen · #**11154** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 7:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Delta boosting YVR-ATL to 6 weekly this summer.

All flights will operate with 738s and will operate daily except Tuesdays 1245 departure.

I hope this is profitable, and part of a growing trend for regular flights to Atlanta. (ultimately year-round, even, maybe .....)

LO 044 · #**11155** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like an unveiling on Feb 9th... Simultaneously in YVR, YYZ and YUL...

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1105

I hope they're not changing their livery. I think AC has one of the best looking tails around. So what are you guys hearing about the unveiling? Is AC buying TS? Is it an announcement kicking YYC out of the hub club lol?

jmt18325 · #**11156** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 7:08 PM**

I hear they're changing the livery...

trofirhen · #**11157** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I hear they're changing the livery...

To something like this? With only read and white, not too much variation is possible:

http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=ht...GVxQKHUnMA_UQMwgnKAswCw&bih=638&biw=1366

LeftCoaster · #**11158** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 10:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I hear they're changing the livery...

I'd welcome a refresh.

Nothing dramatic, keep the same themes but an evolution not a revolution... to steal from marketing-speak.

LeftCoaster · #**11159** Posted **Feb 6, 2017, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Delta boosting YVR-ATL to 6 weekly this summer.

All flights will operate with 738s and will operate daily except Tuesdays 1245 departure.

Wow that's unexpected but great news.

Have they announced any timing? Would be great if it tied into one of the Asian banks, making the flights more than just cruise ship feeder.

*Edit: Just dumped this into my spreadsheet, looks like this takes Delta's summer ops to 100 flights per week!

connect2source · #**11160** Posted **Feb 7, 2017, 12:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

I hear they're changing the livery...

Found this on airliners.net. Looks like a possibility as it mimics Rouge and has lots of grey, much like AC's new cabin and terminal colours. Supposedly we'll likely know on Wednesday.

source : http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?