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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 4:23 PM
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City seeks answers on long-delayed Upper Fort Garry interpretive centre promised for donated land.

By: Joyanne Pursaga Posted: 6:05 PM CST Mon Feb 26, 2024 WFP

A city councillor is calling for the seizure of downtown property donated for an interpretive centre near Upper Fort Garry that has failed to materialize 15 years later.

Meanwhile, the group that promised to transform the surface lot at Assiniboine Avenue and Fort Street in 2009 continues to collect parking proceeds — about $100,000 annually as of 2020 — from the property adjacent to the historic site.

When the city made the donation to The Friends of Upper Fort Garry, the expectation was that the interpretive centre at the site — a provincial park on the banks of the Assiniboine River — would be built within five years.

If the project wasn’t completed, the initial agreement would allow the city to take the land back.

In 2015, a city council committee voted to allow the group to continue running the lot, despite a stated goal to remove downtown surface lots. An extension was granted in 2017, which expired in September 2019.

In early March 2020, the group asked for another extension, noting the lot’s revenue was essential to pay for park operations and fundraising to complete the interpretive centre.

“It is critical for the continued operation and continued activity of the park,” Penny McMillan, then-director of the Friends of Upper Fort Garry, said at the time.

The status of the interpretive centre isn’t clear. McMillan declined comment Monday, stating she’s no longer the group’s spokesperson and the current one was not available to speak with the Free Press.

The project has now been delayed for so long, it’s time the city consider taking steps to get the land back, if it still can, Coun. Brian Mayes said Monday.

“Deadlines should matter at some point, so I think it’s time to take the land back and figure out a use for it because that was the plan back in 2009,” said Mayes (St. Vital).

“Enough with the extensions.”

As of 2017, the project was slated to include a $17-million, 40,000-square-foot interpretive centre that would be built by 2021, including a meeting space and underground parking. At the time, the centre was expected to earn enough revenue that it would make the entire park self-sustaining.

The Friends of Upper Fort Garry did not offer an updated price estimate or target completion date for the interpretive centre in 2020.

“Having voted for these (parking lot) extensions, you’d like to know where we are now and where (we are) going,” said Mayes. “I don’t want to come across as critical of the people who volunteered their time… but after 15 years, let’s move on.”

Coun. Sherri Rollins, chairwoman of council’s property and development committee, said the city is seeking an update on the project.

“Extensions aren’t unheard of.… Right now, we’re hoping someone would reach out and tell us what’s what (in terms) of where the status of this people-powered group is at,” said Rollins (Fort Rouge-East Fort Garry).

On Feb. 21, city property and development officials sent a letter to the Friends of Upper Fort Garry, noting the expired status of city clearances required to operate the parking lot, giving the group 30 days to respond, said Rollins.

The councillor said a lot of volunteer groups “ebbed and flowed” during the pandemic, so it’s possible COVID-19 pressures also affected this particular organization. She said the city is seeking answers and not taking steps to reacquire the land at this point.

“(The group created) a really placemaking park in the downtown and had done some really important and beautiful work… (But) I’m concerned with augmenting the green space in the downtown… I generally want a higher and better use than a surface parking lot, especially one attached to green space,” said Rollins.

Previous work on the park to honour its history has included the creation of gardens, an interpretive wall and the preservation of Upper Fort Garry’s original north gate.

In an email, city spokesman Kalen Qually confirmed the conditional use permit for the parking lot expired in 2019, a status that has not changed since.

“There hasn’t been an extension granted. The city notified the group that they’re required to submit both variance and conditional use applications to allow for continued use of the parking lot,” he said.

Rollins noted the provincial ownership of the park could complicate any attempt by the city to take the parking lot portion of the property back.

Qually confirmed the parking lot is part of the land now owned by the province.


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City seeks answers on long-delayed Upper Fort Garry interpretive centre promised for donated land.

By: Joyanne Pursaga Posted: 6:05 PM CST Mon Feb 26, 2024 WFP

A city councillor is calling for the seizure of downtown property donated for an interpretive centre near Upper Fort Garry that has failed to materialize 15 years later.

Meanwhile, the group that promised to transform the surface lot at Assiniboine Avenue and Fort Street in 2009 continues to collect parking proceeds — about $100,000 annually as of 2020 — from the property adjacent to the historic site.

When the city made the donation to The Friends of Upper Fort Garry, the expectation was that the interpretive centre at the site — a provincial park on the banks of the Assiniboine River — would be built within five years.

If the project wasn’t completed, the initial agreement would allow the city to take the land back.

In 2015, a city council committee voted to allow the group to continue running the lot, despite a stated goal to remove downtown surface lots. An extension was granted in 2017, which expired in September 2019.

In early March 2020, the group asked for another extension, noting the lot’s revenue was essential to pay for park operations and fundraising to complete the interpretive centre.

“It is critical for the continued operation and continued activity of the park,” Penny McMillan, then-director of the Friends of Upper Fort Garry, said at the time.

The status of the interpretive centre isn’t clear. McMillan declined comment Monday, stating she’s no longer the group’s spokesperson and the current one was not available to speak with the Free Press.

The project has now been delayed for so long, it’s time the city consider taking steps to get the land back, if it still can, Coun. Brian Mayes said Monday.

“Deadlines should matter at some point, so I think it’s time to take the land back and figure out a use for it because that was the plan back in 2009,” said Mayes (St. Vital).

“Enough with the extensions.”

As of 2017, the project was slated to include a $17-million, 40,000-square-foot interpretive centre that would be built by 2021, including a meeting space and underground parking. At the time, the centre was expected to earn enough revenue that it would make the entire park self-sustaining.

The Friends of Upper Fort Garry did not offer an updated price estimate or target completion date for the interpretive centre in 2020.

“Having voted for these (parking lot) extensions, you’d like to know where we are now and where (we are) going,” said Mayes. “I don’t want to come across as critical of the people who volunteered their time… but after 15 years, let’s move on.”

Coun. Sherri Rollins, chairwoman of council’s property and development committee, said the city is seeking an update on the project.

“Extensions aren’t unheard of.… Right now, we’re hoping someone would reach out and tell us what’s what (in terms) of where the status of this people-powered group is at,” said Rollins (Fort Rouge-East Fort Garry).

On Feb. 21, city property and development officials sent a letter to the Friends of Upper Fort Garry, noting the expired status of city clearances required to operate the parking lot, giving the group 30 days to respond, said Rollins.

The councillor said a lot of volunteer groups “ebbed and flowed” during the pandemic, so it’s possible COVID-19 pressures also affected this particular organization. She said the city is seeking answers and not taking steps to reacquire the land at this point.

“(The group created) a really placemaking park in the downtown and had done some really important and beautiful work… (But) I’m concerned with augmenting the green space in the downtown… I generally want a higher and better use than a surface parking lot, especially one attached to green space,” said Rollins.

Previous work on the park to honour its history has included the creation of gardens, an interpretive wall and the preservation of Upper Fort Garry’s original north gate.

In an email, city spokesman Kalen Qually confirmed the conditional use permit for the parking lot expired in 2019, a status that has not changed since.

“There hasn’t been an extension granted. The city notified the group that they’re required to submit both variance and conditional use applications to allow for continued use of the parking lot,” he said.

Rollins noted the provincial ownership of the park could complicate any attempt by the city to take the parking lot portion of the property back.

Qually confirmed the parking lot is part of the land now owned by the province.


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Such a pivotable monument to our province and country's history always deserved so much better than how it's been treated. That rusty iron wall looks bloody awful and the gardens are often unkempt. If it's a historic site, it should be run by the national or provincial park system, not these hucksters pocketing parking lot money. Our city is here because of Fort Garry, the respect and care that goes to that site should be commensurate to that fact.
     
     
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They have been working on it for over a year. Most of the services, roads and retention ponds are partially in.

image from May 2023

Wicked, we could probably expect shovels in ground by the summer.
     
     
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https://www.olexadevelopments.com/the-water-tower-district

In the slideshow on the website you can see the had at least gravel down last year for the roads. I haven't been out that way to see what states things are in. But I'd expect they get the concrete done this coming year for sure if it's not done yet. After that we should see some buildings going up. Someone mentioned they were at City Hall asking for an extension on subdivision, so we'll see how that goes. Most of this development is typical industrial park/ commercial development. The residential looks like it will be something along the lines of Park City Commons.

     
     
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I believe the extension of time asked for at Zoning is just for the piece along Marion. Something about a future alignment of Marion or something like that.
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I drive by almost daily and there was some activity last year but other than a sign, I see nothing happening right now.

In the fall, There was roadwork being done on Marion so you had to do a minor 20 ft detour onto this land but that the only activity.

theres so many "light industrial" developments happening out Plessis way or just on outskirts of City on #1 or north of the City, I'm not sure how well this will do for that.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 9:14 PM
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Upper Fort Garry - I LOVE the metal rusted wall and the light show it plays, I think its so unique thing to see while walking or driving, however..... the light show is constantly busted and looks like crap when it is, should just be shut off when its busted.
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Upper Fort Garry - I LOVE the metal rusted wall and the light show it plays, I think its so unique thing to see while walking or driving, however..... the light show is constantly busted and looks like crap when it is, should just be shut off when its busted.
Personally I find it a missed historic opportunity to rebuild part of the palisade to demonstrate what a wall of a regional fort was like in colonial days. It would have tied in nicely with interpretive centre since that concept implies a heavy historical focus.
     
     
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I drive by almost daily and there was some activity last year but other than a sign, I see nothing happening right now.

In the fall, There was roadwork being done on Marion so you had to do a minor 20 ft detour onto this land but that the only activity.

theres so many "light industrial" developments happening out Plessis way or just on outskirts of City on #1 or north of the City, I'm not sure how well this will do for that.
A big knock on the City is lack of industrial land, apparently. We'll see how it goes.
     
     
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Personally I find it a missed historic opportunity to rebuild part of the palisade to demonstrate what a wall of a regional fort was like in colonial days. It would have tied in nicely with interpretive centre since that concept implies a heavy historical focus.
I am in total agreement here.
This could be really big tourist attraction as well as a spot for locals to learn, school trips for education on where & how Winnipeg began.
That itty bitty remaining gate we kept is not enough.
There is so much potential here I just cant believe nearly nobody in government has the foresight to envision that way?
I find it sad that nearly zero though about this historical opportunity has ever been conveyed by our elected officials.
If I were On City council or mayor, provincial govt, this would be a top priority project for me over some others.

If apathy remains, I guess we will see another apartment block.
Even if that is part of it to afford building an interpretive centre + other amenities for learning about the History on how Winnipeg began...then fine with me as well.
Lets just get at it.
     
     
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There is some glass in the metal structure in front of the old Marigold on Ellice. Slowest project in the city, I'm surprised they're putting glass in when it looks like there's nothing but rubble in there where they (mostly) tore down the old Chinese-themed lobby.
     
     
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these hucksters pocketing parking lot money
this isn't about parking lot revenues. it's about having parking for the manitoba club
     
     
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Would you look at that haha. The things that people get motivated about in this city lol.
     
     
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Makes me wonder what happens to the underground. It's not too crazy but all of the major skyscrapers are connected under there. Just fill it in and isolate them?
     
     
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