YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Are we likely to see any 748s at YVr this year?

It would be nice to see more competition within B.C. from West jet Encore. Cmpetition may bring prices down a bit.

CX and KE regularly bring in their 748F freighters to YVR. The 748i was brought in by KE for a very short seasonal run this past summer, heres to hoping it makes a return.

[zahav]

Just the Korean Air 747-800 so far, probably will be the only one unless Lufthansa does a last minute change.

[POCO]

Originally Posted by zahav

Just the Korean Air 747-800 so far, probably will be the only one unless Lufthansa does a last minute change.

Google flights is showing Lufthansa flying their 747 this summer.

I'm gonna try to fly the KE 748 this summer to HKG. I had wanted to take CXs a350 but not for those prices :p

[sacrifice333]

^BASED ON LIKELIHOOD OF DELAY!

Nothing to do with levels of service, guest satisfaction, airline safety record, or any other relevant measure, just ranked by delay likelihood.

[LeftCoaster]

Since we've seen a bunch of summer updates now loaded into the schedules I'll post the latest and greatest updates to my seat charts:



Still unsure as to what Air China's final schedule will look like, as I think they now have unused frequencies which I doubt they will waste and YUL has already seen their update for the season.

Still awaiting the CZ update to the Guangzhou equipment which I fully anticipate will revert to 777-300, at least the bulk of the frequencies.

Also still no idea what's happening with AC's unused LHR slot which I also doubt will go to waste. Not many places AC can use it since its timing favours western departures and Alberta is a bit of a tough go right now. Maybe they can lease it for the year and reassess in 2018? Hainan and Tianjin remain in the chart but zeroed out, not sure what is going on with these routes and how they will fit into the current bilateral cap.

Fingers crossed for a few more positive updates in the coming months.

Originally Posted by teriyaki

CX and KE regularly bring in their 748F freighters to YVR. The 748i was brought in by KE for a very short seasonal run this past summer, heres to hoping it makes a return.

22nd of June to 30th of September isn't a very short run IMO, that's over a quarter of the year. Fairly certain they are planning on bringing it back for summer 17'.

[Hot Rod]

Interesting Takeaways:

Biggest City-Pair: Vancouver-London 11,578; Vancouver-Hong Kong 10,332 (2nd)

Smallest City-Pair: Vancouver-Shenyang 237

Densest Route (single airline): Cathay Pacific YVR-HKG 17, Aeromexico YVR-MEX 14 (2nd)

Biggest Route (single airline): Cathay Pacific YVR-HKG 5,145

Biggest Airline: Air Canada 30,700

Smallest Airline: Beijing Capital Airlines 666

Biggest International-based Airline: Cathay Pacific 5, 145

Biggest Mainland China-based Airline: China Eastern 3,696

Biggest Asian-based Airline: Cathay Pacific 5,145; China Airlines 3,924 (2nd); Philippine Airlines 3,700 (3rd)

Biggest European-based Airline: Lufthansa 4,270; British Airways 3,283 (2nd)


Biggest/Smallest Airplane: A380 biggest, A319 smallest

Biggest/Smallest Airplane Asia: 747-800i biggest, 767-300 smallest

Biggest/Smallest Airplane Europe: A380 biggest, 757-200 smallest

[Hot Rod]

Hopefully we'll see the following additions:

Vancouver-Chongqing
Vancouver-Bangkok
Vancouver-Singapore (SQ return and/or Air Canada)
Vancouver-Melbourne
Vancouver-Auckland* (on Air Canada)
Vancouver-Honolulu* (on Hawaiian Airlines)
Vancouver-Taipei* (on Air Canada)
Vancouver-Kaohsiung
Vancouver-Osaka* (on ANA)
Vancouver-Seoul* (on Asiana)
Vancouver-Hanoi
Vancouver-Manila* (on Air Canada)
Vancouver-Jakarta
Vancouver-Mumbai
Vancouver-Moscow
Vancouver-Istanbul
Vancouver-Doha
Vancouver-Tel Aviv
Vancouver-Dubai-Johannesburg
Vancouver-Guadalajara
Vancouver-Monterrey
Vancouver-Sao Paulo
Vancouver-Bogota
Vancouver-Lima
Vancouver-Rio-Santiago
Vancouver-Rome
Vancouver-Berlin
Vancouver-Barcelona
Vancouver-Lisbon
Vancouver-Zurich


* existing route already served (add'l airline noted)

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Since we've seen a bunch of summer updates now loaded into the schedules I'll post the latest and greatest updates to my seat charts:

^ how would you tally fifth freedom flights? YVR has PR and CX to JFK.

[mezzanine]

OK if we are getting the 2017 crystal ball out, I’ll keep my predictions short:

-AC will enhance their US network. 2016 saw a lot of united flights matched by a complementing AC to help with YVR transfer traffic. Not sexy or new, but helps grow the hub. Dunno if there are any united-only cities from YVR left, but I expect a matching AC flight with perhaps more frequency to other us cities. My hopes? new service to BOS and IAD. ABQ will likely not happen, but SLC likely will.

-Fifth freedoms - YVR – JFK has thrived despite time, economic downturns and the rise of 787s and A350s. I expect a few new novel announcements with maybe CX to MIA and (forgot what PRC carrier) to MEX. My longshot? YVR – MNL – PER on AC.

-AC to MEL and SIN, and whatever is still left on the investor’s day map. (?CAN)

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-YVR expansion plans - no surprise - expansion to the Intl terminal. I also suspect they will move on the N/S taxiway this year.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

^ how would you tally fifth freedom flights? YVR has PR and CX to JFK.

I've got a separate page on transborder, they contain the 5th freedom flights that aren't int'l:

Originally Posted by mezzanine

OK if we are getting the 2017 crystal ball out, I’ll keep my predictions short:

-AC will enhance their US network. 2016 saw a lot of united flights matched by a complementing AC to help with YVR transfer traffic. Not sexy or new, but helps grow the hub. Dunno if there are any united-only cities from YVR left, but I expect a matching AC flight with perhaps more frequency to other us cities. My hopes? new service to BOS and IAD. ABQ will likely not happen, but SLC likely will.

-Fifth freedoms - YVR – JFK has thrived despite time, economic downturns and the rise of 787s and A350s. I expect a few new novel announcements with maybe CX to MIA and (forgot what PRC carrier) to MEX. My longshot? YVR – MNL – PER on AC.

-AC to MEL and SIN, and whatever is still left on the investor’s day map. (?CAN)

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-YVR expansion plans - no surprise - expansion to the Intl terminal. I also suspect they will move on the N/S taxiway this year.

I like a lot of this. Not sure about the N/S taxiway but that would be a great project to see get going, some of my landings in YVR can get a bit silly with the taxi distance.

Hope to see AC enhance transborder, maybe even take the plunge and announce a new destination rather than already served places. I'll take whatever they give us though.

AC to MEL or SIN seems likely, though not sure about both. I'm guessing MEL with a smaller chance of SIN and and an even smaller chance of both.

[excel]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

Hopefully we'll see the following additions:

Vancouver-Taipei* (on Air Canada)

* existing route already served (add'l airline noted)

This is already planned. Year round, daily 787-9 starting June 8.

[excel]

Thanks for the charts LeftCoaster, they really are informative. Air Canada's route map out of YVR is pretty impressive.

[Johnny Aussie]

G'day all... back in Melbourne after a wonderful time in snowy Vancouver!

Rouge is now bumping NGO up to 4 weekly earlier... so now 4 weekly from mid June right through the summer scheds.

Also... KIX will now run DAILY from 1 July through end of September.

Keep those increases coming.....

Back to the sweltering heat!

[excel]

Nice that's great news.

[LeftCoaster]

Exciting, thanks Johnny.

Lose a frequency with Dublin but gain it right back with KIX. I guess we know where that DUB frequency went now.

I wonder with KIX showing so much strength if it warrants going year round, maybe 3x PW in the winter, or if it is just purely seasonal.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Exciting, thanks Johnny.

Lose a frequency with Dublin but gain it right back with KIX. I guess we know where that DUB frequency went now.

I wonder with KIX showing so much strength if it warrants going year round, maybe 3x PW in the winter, or if it is just purely seasonal.

Technically YVR didn't lose a frequency to DUB as it is the same frequency as last summer.. I think the additional frequency that was temporarily added was just a scheduling change... in pure AC fashion... giveth then taketh away.

Like most overseas routes, Japan is still a very seasonal market... one day maybe that will change!

[LeftCoaster]

Hmm I thought the 4th was officially being sold?
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...hts-in-s17/?highlight=Vancouver%20Dublin

Or was airlineroute just reporting the schedule change as though it were?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hmm I thought the 4th was officially being sold?
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...hts-in-s17/?highlight=Vancouver%20Dublin

Or was airlineroute just reporting the schedule change as though it were?

Don't know. The DUB route shuffled through YYZ last year, this year it's YVR based and rotating with NGO, so NGO is 4 weekly DUB is 3 weekly.

NGO was only going to be 4 weekly starting in August and through Sept only... now it's moved forward to early July.

So again, YVR didn't lose a frequency to DUB for YOY comparisons.

As for KIX... this was just added this week so not sure where they got that from.

AC still seems to be shuffling things around... summer scheds for international flying should be solidified soon.

[nname]

The 4th weekly that was "lost" from DUB was on Monday, it probably goes to the 4th weekly on NGO, which also run on Monday

The new weekly gained for KIX is on Wednesday. Currently the plane used for KIX flies to PVR on Wednesday, and that flight still exist as of now.

So to run that extra flight, AC would either have a new plane, or we'll end up losing PVR on AC soon...

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So again, YVR didn't lose a frequency to DUB for YOY comparisons.

Oh of course, I had just already updated my 2017 chart, so it was a reduction in my expectation of summer 17', but of course DUB still even from last year.

Rouge is still showing a huge capacity increase of 189% vs summer 16'.