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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 2:06 PM
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There are hotel developers looking at that site, which would be fantastic IMO, as it is on the south side of the freeway for better pedestrian access to the Uptown core and is also adjacent to Harbour Station.
This would be ideal usage for this land, and would further help tie Harbour Station to the uptown core. I hope that if it is a hotel project that it will be a good quality one.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 6:22 PM
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[QUOTE=kwajo;7956396]There are hotel developers looking at that site, which would be fantastic IMO, as it is on the south side of the freeway for better pedestrian access to the Uptown core and is also adjacent to Harbour Statio

My understanding was that the Irvings bought the land.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 10:35 PM
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Maybe the Peel Plaza garage can have a purpose after all.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 10:37 PM
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Maybe the Peel Plaza garage can have a purpose after all.
Peel Plaza has been at capacity for years now. It doesn't need anything else to affirm its purpose.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2017, 12:06 AM
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The Scotsburn Plant across from Harbour Station was also sold recently.
Here's an oblique view of the site courtesy of Google Maps:


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The surface parking lots along Sewell are owned by Commercial Properties, who were also the buyers of the Scotsburn facility (since demolished). Not sure who owns the Enterprise Rent-A-Car property next door but this would be another logical target for land assembly/consolidation.

As mentioned previously, a hotel is a fairly sensible use for the site - along with the renovated Colonial/Fort Howe properties (and the new-ish Chateau Saint John) I'm glad we're getting hotel investments that are close to the Uptown core.
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Here's an oblique view of the site courtesy of Google Maps:


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The surface parking lots along Sewell are owned by Commercial Properties, who were also the buyers of the Scotsburn facility (since demolished). Not sure who owns the Enterprise Rent-A-Car property next door but this would be another logical target for land assembly/consolidation.

As mentioned previously, a hotel is a fairly sensible use for the site - along with the renovated Colonial/Fort Howe properties (and the new-ish Chateau Saint John) I'm glad we're getting hotel investments that are close to the Uptown core.
Actually, I think that spot would be great for something like a sports bar...maybe a 2nd Rocky's location or something like that. XB
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2017, 9:39 PM
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Station Street Development

Commercial properties is owned by the Irvings.
I do not think they are in the hotel business?
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2017, 10:10 PM
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Commercial properties is owned by the Irvings.
I do not think they are in the hotel business?
I didn't know they were in the liquor business either.

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The Scotsburn Frozen Novelty plant on Station Street across from Harbour Station has a new owner. Commercial Properties Limited already owned the land on either side of the property so it’s no surprise that they had an interest. Paul Moore, VP of Commercial Properties explained “Commercial Properties Limited is a commercial real estate company with a desire to do new development. The ability to assemble substantially sized parcels of land is key to being ready to pursue opportunities when the timing is right.” A recent example of this is the new liquor store. Commercial Properties had acquired the parking lot at the corner of Wellington and Union in 2014 which meant they were well positioned to respond to the NB Liquor Corporation RFP.
It's quite obvious that Commercial Properties bundles up parcels to sell to interested clients when they come forward with an RFP, whether they're NB Liquor or a hotel chain or whomever. It's easier for them to do it than for the individual clients to do it themselves.

The most important thing out of all of this is that this company purchases lots for future development. It now owns the Scotsburn Plant and the property on both sides of it (as mentioned in the quote) meaning that a large-scale development with a reasonable footprint is possible across the street from the largest spectator and event venue in the city.
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Good point.

So in other words, the Irving real estate arm is consolidating parcels of land that could be bundled together and sold to another developer for larger scale projects. Sounds good for the city.......
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I would also imagine segments of the parking lot at Harbour Station could be sold off for development with the new parking garage. Harbour Station parking lot seems to be a bit excessive
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2017, 2:36 PM
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I would also imagine segments of the parking lot at Harbour Station could be sold off for development with the new parking garage. Harbour Station parking lot seems to be a bit excessive
With the nearby parking structures at Peel and Market Square? Probably. In terms of raw surface parking area it really isn't all that bad. Compare it to Moncton, Kingston, Peterborough, Oshawa, or Gatineau and it ends up somewhere on the better end of the scale.

For me, the priority should be to do something with the Long Wharf parking and electrical substation. It would be wiser to remove that surface parking than any parking directly adjacent to Harbour Station. Losing the Sewell Street lots as well to something will be better than what we've currently got.
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A few updates on the property tax reform file.

The Gallant government has rejected outright Council's tax reform proposal.

Opposition leader Blaine Higgs is taking a more cautious approach, saying he's open to meeting with the mayor to discuss the issue further.

Green leader David Coon, meanwhile, has stated his intention to introduce a bill removing the machinery and equipment exemption in the province.

Not surprisingly, industrial players are already voicing their opposition to the M&E portion of proposed reforms.
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I didn't know they were in the liquor business either.

Here's an excerpt from the link fischbob provided:



It's quite obvious that Commercial Properties bundles up parcels to sell to interested clients when they come forward with an RFP, whether they're NB Liquor or a hotel chain or whomever. It's easier for them to do it than for the individual clients to do it themselves.

The most important thing out of all of this is that this company purchases lots for future development. It now owns the Scotsburn Plant and the property on both sides of it (as mentioned in the quote) meaning that a large-scale development with a reasonable footprint is possible across the street from the largest spectator and event venue in the city.
The Irving's have been in the liquor business for over 30 years.
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The Irving's have been in the liquor business for over 30 years.
Never when KC Irving was alive.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2017, 12:56 AM
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Article on CBC New Brunswick about renovation efforts on Union:

Couple bet on Saint John's Union Street for new loft-style home
Century-old building offers tall ceilings, exposed brick and rooftop patio
CBC News Posted: Oct 24, 2017 6:30 AM AT Last Updated: Oct 24, 2017 6:30 AM AT
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/uptown-saint-john-union-street-renovation-1.4367859

There were no half measures when Beth and Allen Blois decided to trade their country life in Upper Golden Grove for Saint John's uptown.

The middle-aged couple couldn't see any other buildings from their rural home. Now the only outdoor space they can find is on the public sidewalks on Union and Dorchester streets.

"What started it was the kids decided to grow up," Beth Blois said.

"We love uptown anyway, so I said, 'let's start looking.'"

The duo said they were searching for something that could be turned into a loft-style building for an affordable price.

Union Street, just one block away from the more fashionable Trinity Royal area, offered that.

"There's very few buildings around uptown Saint John that are available at our price point that would do that," said Allen Blois.

A former beauty parlour storefront on one side has been converted into a single car garage. A long vacant shop next to it will remain a commercial property with a roomy two-bedroom home on two floors above with an additional loft.

While the Blois's have no regrets, the renovations have offered up some expensive surprises.

Removing asbestos in the building's interior plaster cost four times what they'd budgeted.

And more than 1,500 crumbling interior bricks on their newly exposed walls had to be replaced.

Allen Blois said the street outside is busy, but that's turned out to be what makes it attractive.

"It's fun, there's lots going on," he said. "People are extremely friendly around here. You'd be surprised at how many people stop by to say, 'Thank you for doing the work that you're doing here.'"

Fifty years ago, Union Street was a destination shopping district with some stunning architecture.

In the decades that followed, much of the shopping moved to the malls, and several historic buildings were knocked down to make way for parking lots.

But Beth and Allen Blois are betting this street, steps from uptown office towers, the City Market, and a host of new restaurants and bars, is ready for its comeback.

They pointed to the "awesome" former fire hall across Union Street, which they said would be ideal for more loft apartments.

And just across Dorchester, Glen Jardine of First City Pub said he's been inspired by the improvements being made.

Jardine said he's now going to enlist an architect to go "higher end" with renovations to the Pub and Brewery.

"I was just going to paint my building," he said. "Now I'm going to do exterior work. I'm going to do mine to match his, basically. So that's my plan now."


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Emphasis added is mine. A great story for a part of the Uptown that sorely needs it. Too many simply drive through Union and make a passing statement on its rundown nature as if it's valid for the entire Peninsula. These people are part of the problem and people like the Blois' are part of the solution.
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That's great to hear - a little disappointed that they sacrificed a storefront for a garage entrance but it's a positive transformation overall.

Union could definitely use a little more TLC. It's unfortunate that the two newest buildings on the street (Police HQ and Liquor Store) turn their backs on it. I'm hoping the impending residential development at Union and Wellington has a better street presence.
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I understand that there is an accepted offer on the old Gillis mcgloan building on King.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2017, 1:25 AM
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I understand that there is an accepted offer on the old Gillis mcgloan building on King.
This one?


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That's the one
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2017, 12:31 AM
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Was surprised to notice a crane up in Millidgeville. It appears to be at the apartment development at the end of Noel Avenue.

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