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Old Posted Aug 4, 2022, 7:02 PM
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"Density"
Again with the 'new' style of townhouse design: Parking in the back, and an unused walk-up in the front (for the mailman?)

Does nobody value having a useable yard? Or will we start to normalize having a table and chairs in the front walk-up? Couldn't we have fit a garage and two-cars parked in front of every unit, and just soft-landscaped the back yard with some overflow visitor parking nestled somewhere like in the good old days?

I know you're going to say 'but there's a roof top patio'!

Yes, I've experienced having a dinner party in a place like this. Makes for a long walk to the kitchen, through the master bedroom... Don't forget your drink, or your love of being baked on a rooftop.

Edit, having looked at it, I suppose you could have turned these units 'backwards' and fenced off between the main road to make little cookie-cutter backyards.
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Does nobody value having a useable yard?
Is anyone taking away anyone else's useable yard?
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2022, 8:00 PM
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Does nobody value having a useable yard?
I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is, "Does everybody value having a useable yard?" Just because some people want one doesn't mean that every home should have one. Some people love gardening/yard work and for others it is a chore that takes them away from the activities they love. No one is saying that you can't buy a home with a yard, but equally we shouldn't say that everyone must buy a home with a yard.
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2022, 9:18 PM
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I tend to agree. The loophole used to void the agreement Campeau signed with the City of Kanata sets a dangerous precedent.

As for the development, I am not opposed to them developing the golf course, but I don't like the current proposal. I would like to see more density on existing roads and the preservation of land not directly accessible by road as parks, instead of building more roads for low density sprawl.
Unless I was reading the lower court ruling wrong, it wasn't really a loophole, instead it was established precedent that the city (In this case Kanata) probably should have known about when it made the original deal. Hopefully (though I doubt it) the city will learn just to take the greenspace in the future.

As for the development yeah I agree it would be nice if it was denser and also, included some mixed-use between Knudsen & Walden drive.

Dev App again for reference for others - https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...9-0026/details
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Supreme Court won't hear Ottawa's appeal over Kanata golf course redevelopment
The decision is a win for Clublink and its partners as it seeks to redevelop the land into a new suburban community

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Aug 04, 2022 • 2 hours ago • 2 minute read


The Supreme Court announced Thursday that it won’t hear an appeal by the City of Ottawa over the future of the Kanata Golf and Country Club, delivering a win for ClubLink as it pursues an infill suburban community.

The city was hoping Canada’s top court would consider an appeal of an Ontario Court of Appeal decision impacting sections of a legacy agreement which would have required ClubLink to give the land to the city if the company stopped using the property as a golf course.

The Supreme Court dismissed the city’s application for leave to appeal and awarded ClubLink unspecified costs.

People trying to protect the golf course from redevelopment now hope two other court cases will stop the redevelopment from happening.

ClubLink is working with Minto Communities and Richcraft Homes to build a subdivision with nearly 1,500 homes on the 71-hectare golf course land off Campeau Drive.

The court case that eventually led to the city asking the Supreme Court to weigh in centred on the so-called 40-per-cent agreement struck by the former city of Kanata and the landowner at the time, Campeau Corp., in 1981.

The agreement protected 40 per cent of the area as green space, with the city getting the land for recreational activities if the landowner wanted to stop running a golf course.

ClubLink eventually acquired the golf course. The company announced its redevelopment plans in December 2018, leading to the city asking the court to uphold the 40-per-cent agreement.

The Ontario Superior Court agreed with the city, but the appeal court struck down two sections related to the city’s control over the golf course property if the owner stops golf operations.

ClubLink’s project has also gone through the land-use approval process.

The city opposed ClubLink’s planning application for the redevelopment, but the Ontario Land Tribunal concluded the redevelopment “represents good land use planning, and that it is in the public interest” and attached a long list of development conditions.

The Kanata Greenspace Protection Coalition (KGPC), which emerged as the leading community opponent to ClubLink’s plan, lauded the city for being a “good partner” as the group continues to pursue other legal options to save the property.

With the city’s application to the Supreme Court torpedoed, the Superior Court can consider the rest of the 40-per-cent agreement and say if the contract still protects the land from redevelopment. A hearing is scheduled in September.

“We have been actively working on that,” KGPC chair Barbara Ramsay said.

Ramsay said there’s a second outstanding legal action that has KGPC, without the city’s involvement, directly challenging ClubLink over its commitments under the 40-per-cent agreement.

The coalition’s legal war chest is in “good” condition as it continues to hire lawyers to fight the project, Ramsay said.

City council has called on the Ontario Progressive Conservative government to save the golf course from redevelopment, like the government did with Glen Abbey Golf Course in Oakville.

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100 Steacie Dr | 15m | 4f | Proposed

Phoenix Homes is proposing (I think almost approved) a small compact community of 14 buildings beside the Amazon Distribution Facility (off Fallowfield Road).

There are three building types: apartments, flats (condos), and stacked terrace homes. Each building will be 13m in height for a total of 194 units with 70 underground parking and 202 surface parking spaces.

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Phoenix Homes is proposing (I think almost approved) a small compact community of 14 buildings beside the Amazon Distribution Facility (off Fallowfield Road).

There are three building types: apartments, flats (condos), and stacked terrace homes. Each building will be 13m in height for a total of 194 units with 70 underground parking and 202 surface parking spaces.
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Riverside South
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Phase 10 will be developed for light industrial employment use and logistic distribution warehouse, Phase 16 we're proposing residential and future institutional blocks 13 & 14 on draft plan)
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Phase 10 will be developed for light industrial employment use and logistic distribution warehouse, Phase 16 we're proposing residential and future institutional blocks 13 & 14 on draft plan)
Don't we usually build these sorts of uses along highways? We already hear enough complaints about congestion to get downtown from RSS.
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Don't we usually build these sorts of uses along highways? We already hear enough complaints about congestion to get downtown from RSS.
Light industrial in a residential area could work to reduce traffic, no? I.e. work where you live.
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Light industrial in a residential area could work to reduce traffic, no? I.e. work where you live.
I think it also may be a case of it being within the zone of influence for the Airport so Residential just isn't allowed there.

But also, Light industrial already is and should be spread around like you state.
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Why can't we build regular conventional street grids anywhere? Why do we continue building these broken, winding, disconnected developments with dead end roads? Forces everyone to use the limited number of straight cross-town roads we have instead of spreading traffic more evenly on more streets.

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Why can't we build regular conventional street grids anywhere? Why do we continue building these broken, winding, disconnected developments with dead end roads? Forces everyone to use the limited number of straight cross-town roads we have instead of spreading traffic more evenly on more streets.

At least if they could add a generous amount of cut-throughs for cyclists and pedestrians, it would be a little bit easier to tolerate.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2022, 4:03 PM
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Another thing is access to the 416 isn't too far off, all they have to do is cross the bridge and go south on Prince of Wales. That's why there is also going to be a distribution center beside RCMP HQ of Prince of Wales. And the fact is, live where you work is a big thing. There are many people who live in their distinct areas of the city and never really go anywhere else, it's just the reality as the city becomes bigger.

Best thing is that we build around the current areas to avoid more sprawl because you can't take away the sprawl that already happened, these neighborhoods exist now. We need to densify around their core areas, create valuable industries while also creating/managing easy connections to downtown Ottawa so that these areas are supplements to central Ottawa.
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Why can't we build regular conventional street grids anywhere? Why do we continue building these broken, winding, disconnected developments with dead end roads? Forces everyone to use the limited number of straight cross-town roads we have instead of spreading traffic more evenly on more streets.

The city is quite pleased with itself for a few tiny modest tinkerings here and there with new developments that are still, when it comes down to it, topologically the same as the rigid suburban fixities of form that you see from the 1950s onward.

Maybe it doesn't have to be a strict grid. It can be a crazy grid like peninsular Halifax or even some older parts of Ottawa (Hintonburg has good examples.)

But can we dispense of the crescents and loops and lollipops once and for all, and built street patterns that are easier to repurpose in the future?
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The title of this thread should read New subdivision developments. Modern day Ottawa does not build neighbourhoods, they build subdivisions. New greenfield developments lack almost all characteristics of a neighbourhood.
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The key to all this will be good cycling and pedestrian connections, along with a proper community bus service (which the City seems incapable of giving Kanata). Not holding my breath for any of this.
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1053 March Road
1075 March Road
1145 March Road
https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__A7PNHL

Uniform/Claridge

The City of Ottawa has received applications for a Plan of Subdivision and Zoning By-law Amendment to permit the development of 825 residential units, institutional facilities, a stormwater management pond, a park and open space.
Application now approved.
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Why can't we build regular conventional street grids anywhere? Why do we continue building these broken, winding, disconnected developments with dead end roads? Forces everyone to use the limited number of straight cross-town roads we have instead of spreading traffic more evenly on more streets.

We can. We choose not to.
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2510 St. Laurent Blvd | Claridge low-rise development | Proposed

Claridge Homes is proposing to construct a planned-unit development at 2510 St. Laurent Boulevard, consisting of 192 back-to-back townhomes and 36 townhomes on private streets. A portion of the Subject Site will be dedicated as a public park. The proposed development will be accessed from Don Reid Drive and St. Laurent Boulevard.

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