The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 516

GreaterMontréal · #**10301** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 3:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

But it will probably still be considered a line on the Metro system. It won't be what Montrealers are used to (rubber tired, fully underground subway), but still par of the Metro.

the pink line will probably be fully underground like the REM in downtown Montréal. I don't think it's realistic to think they could build a skytrain type line in the Plateau. fully diagonal . maybe the western part towards Lachine.
the pink line could have a daily ridership of about 250,000

phase 1 would be fully underground from Montréal-Nord to Downtown,
like the one in Barcelona
http://www.cat-bus.com/2017/10/barcelonas-line-9-inspiring-montreals-pink-line/
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_rose_(m%C3%A9tro_de_Montr%C3%A9al)#cite_note-11

SkahHigh · #**10302** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 4:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

But it will probably still be considered a line on the Metro system. It won't be what Montrealers are used to (rubber tired, fully underground subway), but still par of the Metro.

Exactly.

p_xavier · #**10303** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 12:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Exactly.

I doubt it since it will even bring more confusion. So you have an identical system to the REM, which is not part of the metro, but that line is? Why not just rebrand the REM as other metro lines (which could be as metro express or something).

J.OT13 · #**10304** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

I doubt it since it will even bring more confusion. So you have an identical system to the REM, which is not part of the metro, but that line is? Why not just rebrand the REM as other metro lines (which could be as metro express or something).

If I had a say, that would be my vote.

Acajack · #**10305** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 3:15 PM**

If you just give the REM a colour-code that meshes with the existing métro line colours, the citizenry will follow along automatically. And that's all that counts.

someone123 · #**10306** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 6:27 PM**

Still kind of at the rumour stage but Halifax Transit's capital budget plan now includes $50M for commuter rail. It seems pretty likely to happen over the next couple years. VIA have said that they would like to partner with the city to implement it, plus add other inter-city routes within the Maritimes.

It would run along the 'Bedford subdivison' track to start (the built up areas in this map look extremely old though, maybe from the mid-90's or earlier; there is a lot more development to the west of the Bedford Basin now that would be served by commuter rail):

Source

SkahHigh · #**10307** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

I doubt it since it will even bring more confusion. So you have an identical system to the REM, which is not part of the metro, but that line is? Why not just rebrand the REM as other metro lines (which could be as metro express or something).

For the branding, we’ll know when the builder is announced, but montrealers will always see it as a metro since it will be mostly underground.

TorontoDrew · #**10308** Posted **Jan 24, 2018, 7:08 PM**

Metrolinx targeted by North Korean cyberattack

Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/01/23/metrolinx-targeted-by-north-korean-cyberattack.html
The provincially-owned transit agency detected the threat roughly a week ago, and believes that although the attack did breach a firewall, no customer private information was compromised.

Metrolinx says it was the target of a cyberattack originating from the reclusive dictatorship of North Korea.

The provincially-owned transit agency that operates GO Transit and the Presto fare card system confirmed the attack Tuesday, after it was first reported by CTV News.

The agency detected the threat roughly a week ago, and believes that although the attack did breach a firewall, it infected a system that was not related to employee or customer data.

“At no time was customer private information compromised — so that’s very good news — nor were any of our safety systems,” said Metrolinx spokesperson Anne Marie Aikins.

“We responded to it very quickly.”

As part of a joint security operation with the province, Metrolinx employs a team of “ethical hackers” whose job it is to detect and trace cyber threats. The team traced the attack to a source in North Korea, but believes the attack was routed through Russia.

caltrane74 · #**10309** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 1:37 AM**

Maybe they just wanted to learn about transit.

Treplow · #**10310** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 2:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Montreal's budget has been approved and includes the budget for the project office of the pink line (REM or metro TBD). The business case will then be forwarded to the ARTM for prioritization.

Which downtown street are they planning to run this line under? Ste-Catherine? Rene-Levesque?

p_xavier · #**10311** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Treplow

Which downtown street are they planning to run this line under? Ste-Catherine? Rene-Levesque?

René-Levesque.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1065...alisation-projet-montreal-plante-ouellet

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=19LSTBgPk_zS65NuAsoFat5L1KAUGhcsj

WhipperSnapper · #**10312** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Maybe they just wanted to learn about transit.

LOL Or they looked at our condo prices and thought we were filthy rich.

GreaterMontréal · #**10313** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 3:39 PM**

the pink line has a daily ridership potential of 250,000.

Doady · #**10314** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:23 PM**

If you want a direct rail connection from Montreal-Nord to Ville Marie, wouldn't AMT make a lot more sense than Metro? There is already a rail corridor available. Apparently there is AMT service now too, just upgrade it.

Based on my (limited) experience in Montreal-Nord (my aunt lives there) I think LRT on Henri-Bourassa and/or Pie-9 would be better. Henri-Bourassa and Pie-9 reminded me of Hurontario and other inner suburban corridors of Toronto, they made me feel homesick. These kind of corridors have a lot of potential to urbanize, so maybe it is better to focus on them.

someone123 · #**10315** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:30 PM**

One would expect Montreal's system to be somewhat better because it is a larger and older city (and Canadian cities stopped investing as much in transit after the 80's), but it seems light years ahead of Vancouver's system.

With the pink line there will be good coverage of the downtown area and if there's a problem with one route there will be 2 alternatives. I haven't used Montreal's system frequently enough to see what it's like when something goes wrong but in Vancouver there are a lot of single points of failure and if something goes wrong the answer is often to find some way other than transit to get home (let's be honest; replacement shuttle buses are mostly for show). Vancouver's system offers generally poor coverage of inner neighbourhoods and the downtown area including the West End, one of the highest density parts of the city.

One top of this Montreal also has nicer stations, like Lionel-Groulx. We have Commercial Drive, which feels like it was randomly cobbled together at the lowest cost possible. Then there is Granville vs. Vancouver City Centre, which seem like they should be one transfer station but aren't.

GreaterMontréal · #**10316** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

If you want a direct rail connection from Montreal-Nord to Ville Marie, wouldn't AMT make a lot more sense than Metro? There is already a rail corridor available. Apparently there is AMT service now too, just upgrade it.

Based on my (limited) experience in Montreal-Nord (my aunt lives there) I think LRT on Henri-Bourassa and/or Pie-9 would be better. Henri-Bourassa and Pie-9 reminded me of Hurontario and other inner suburban corridors of Toronto, they made me feel homesick. These kind of corridors have a lot of potential to urbanize, so maybe it is better to focus on them.

the AMT doesn't exist anymore, it's now the RTM. but still commuter rail, not fast enough . I would say the Pink Line is mainly a relief line. too many people on the Orange Line, overcrowded. Rosemont has a density of 10,000/km² and growing fast now at 145k. With the Blue Line extension, we need a relief line.

Rico Rommheim · #**10317** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:35 PM**

The Pink Line isn't just about giving Montreal-Nord a direct access to downtown, but also about giving about 750,000 Montrealers decent rapid transit that they currently lack.

Acajack · #**10318** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

I haven't used Montreal's system frequently enough to see what it's like when something goes wrong but in Vancouver there are a lot of single points of failure and if something goes wrong the answer is often to find some way other than transit to get home (let's be honest; replacement shuttle buses are mostly for show). .

When a métro line is not operational Montreal rolls out a pretty extensive fleet of shuttle buses. It's definitely not just for show - lots of people use them. In a city with a large percentage of households with no cars, there is no choice.

McC · #**10319** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:43 PM**

Any handwringing about having Ville Marie and Villa Maria?

Acajack · #**10320** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

The Pink Line isn't just about giving Montreal-Nord a direct access to downtown, but also about giving about 750,000 Montrealers decent rapid transit that they currently lack.

Yes, for all that's good about the current system, if you look at a map there are huge gaps even in highly urbanized areas of the island that are very very distant from any type of rapid transit service.