DENVER | Main Development Thread #6 - Page 50

DownhomeDenver · #**981** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by EngiNerd

I know this is probably considered trolling...but seemed relevant to the conversation some....I will just leave this here and

http://www.archdaily.com/536288/images-leaked-of-major-development-at-toronto-s-union-station/

Not really wow'd by this. If Toronto can support this type of development then great.

bunt_q · #**982** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 8:39 PM**

I'm wow'd by this. Far be it for me to put my Wizened hat on, but this is the sort of stuff that separates us from the big boys. (Or maybe I'm grumpy because I just got off a conference call and I google mapped the other guy's office address - at 55th and 7th in NYC - and then remembered where I'm sitting.) Sigh.

Scottk · #**983** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

There are no 22 story buildings on Kauai, which is what it would take to be taller than the Platform. Where are you, the Marriott? That's more like 12. And won't be replicated considering that island has height restrictions nowadays. Nice try, though.

You misread my original post. I said everything besides the platform

Scottk · #**984** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

You mean the three buildings going in that are stick frame? Out of roughly 15 buildings sites? That's a pretty gross characterization of the number of stick-frame buildings going in. Are a couple of the projects a lousy use of the site? Yes, but not to the degree that you are implying.

Kauai's a great island, but the Kauai Marriott sucks. Poipu Beach is better.

Marriott does suck thank god I'm headed to prince vile tomorrow

EngiNerd · #**985** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

I'm wow'd by this. Far be it for me to put my Wizened hat on, but this is the sort of stuff that separates us from the big boys. (Or maybe I'm grumpy because I just got off a conference call and I google mapped the other guy's office address - at 55th and 7th in NYC - and then remembered where I'm sitting.) Sigh.

They wouldn't even let us build a parking garage over our measly 8 tracks, whereas Toronto get to place a huge podium with large towers over their 15 or 16 tracks. This is pretty awesome development, filling in airspace which is basically dead right now. It really is a different league at this point, but still fun to look at the what-ifs.

DownhomeDenver · #**986** Posted **Aug 11, 2014, 10:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by bunt_q

I'm wow'd by this. Far be it for me to put my Wizened hat on, but this is the sort of stuff that separates us from the big boys. (Or maybe I'm grumpy because I just got off a conference call and I google mapped the other guy's office address - at 55th and 7th in NYC - and then remembered where I'm sitting.) Sigh.

Yeh they are a big boy with over 3 million people in the city proper and 6 mil in their metro. If we were that big with the same amount of financial clout, then yes i'd be very disappointed by what's going on at DUS. For now, I'm pleased.

DownhomeDenver · #**987** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 4:45 AM**

So I was looking at the Capital Improvements plan and this is on it:

14th Street Plaza $15,000,000

Did we talk about this before? Did we ever figure out what lot the city wanted to buy?

14th Street Plaza

• Department/Agency Sponsor:

Parks and Recreation
• Citywide Program Supported:

Parks Planning/Design/Const.

• Estimated 2013-2018 Funds Needed:
$15,000,000

•Council District:
8
Parks — Basic Project Information

Description

This project includes the development of a new downtown park across from the Colorado Convention Center on
14th Street. In order to develop the new downtown park, the acquisition and retrofit of an adjacent building is
required. The development of the 14th Street Plaza supports the vision of the Downtown Master Plan and also
promotes new business and residential development downtown which is consistent with the Downtown Urban
Renewal Plan.

bcp · #**988** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 5:37 AM**

Sounds like a great place for a building....and there are already two parks on the other side of the CCC...

TakeFive · #**989** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 5:24 PM**

Uh Okay.

Why would you want to move away from living in America's Coolest City?
Perhaps because you wouldn't be moving that far down the list?

bcp · #**990** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 5:46 PM**

bahhhahhahaha...anything above nyc is just hilarious...

wong21fr · #**991** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by bcp

Sounds like a great place for a building....and there are already two parks on the other side of the CCC...

Can we really count those as parks? More like landscaped land banks to me.

rds70 · #**992** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 6:11 PM**

A building permit application for 1401 Lawrence was submitted to the City today.

BTW, it is now listed as 22 stories, 306,000 square feet and 304 feet tall.

So we will have 1401 Lawrence and 1144 15th under construction at the same time (hopefully). That would mean 1,000,000 square feet of space added in two blocks!

Scottk · #**993** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 6:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by rds70

A building permit application for 1401 Lawrence was submitted to the City today.

BTW, it is now listed as 22 stories, 306,000 square feet and 304 feet tall.

So we will have 1401 Lawrence and 1144 15th under construction at the same time (hopefully). That would mean 1,000,000 square feet of space added in two blocks!

Hmmm so one story taller?

I wonder if they are still going with the most recent design we have seen, or something new.

wong21fr · #**994** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by rds70

So we will have 1401 Lawrence and 1144 15th under construction at the same time (hopefully). That would mean 1,000,000 square feet of space added in two blocks!

If that's the case, then the equivalent of two Republic Plazas will have been built DT since 2012. That's not even all of the projects that are proposed such as Z-Block, 16th and Chestnut, T2, etc.

bcp · #**995** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 7:40 PM**

this would be great...15th street has very little height to it currently besides the hyatt

bcp · #**996** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by wong21fr

Can we really count those as parks? More like landscaped land banks to me.

they could easily be configured to meet a need...under the aliens maybe.

my larger point is that it is a bad idea to purchase valuable land across from the convention center and use it for essentially nothing - it shows that the city has its priorities out of whack.

worse yet, it has them thinking horizontally rather than vertically - if they want to be smart, use part of the roof of the convention center for greenspace with a cool perspective / view. i gaurantee it will be less than $18mm to do it.

bobg · #**997** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 7:54 PM**

I thought it wasn't really a plaza and was more like convention center outdoor flex space disguised as a plaza?

wong21fr · #**998** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 8:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by bobg

I thought it wasn't really a plaza and was more like convention center outdoor flex space disguised as a plaza?

That's really what it is and why they wanted it across the street from the Convention Center at the front entrance. It will end up being a hard-scaped area for outdoor convention exhibits. Maybe Cat will bring in 797F Haul truck for the SME Convention. That would be pretty damn sweet. Putting it on the roof of the convention center would be even sweeter, but that would take one hell of a crane.

DenverInfill · #**999** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 8:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by DownhomeDenver

So I was looking at the Capital Improvements plan and this is on it:

14th Street Plaza $15,000,000

Did we talk about this before? Did we ever figure out what lot the city wanted to buy?

14th Street Plaza

• Department/Agency Sponsor:

Parks and Recreation
• Citywide Program Supported:

Parks Planning/Design/Const.

• Estimated 2013-2018 Funds Needed:
$15,000,000

•Council District:
8
Parks — Basic Project Information

Description

This project includes the development of a new downtown park across from the Colorado Convention Center on
14th Street. In order to develop the new downtown park, the acquisition and retrofit of an adjacent building is
required. The development of the 14th Street Plaza supports the vision of the Downtown Master Plan and also
promotes new business and residential development downtown which is consistent with the Downtown Urban
Renewal Plan.

It's good that there's money set aside for a new downtown public space, but don't count on it being at that location.

comoneymaker · #**1000** Posted **Aug 12, 2014, 11:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by DownhomeDenver

Yeh they are a big boy with over 3 million people in the city proper and 6 mil in their metro. If we were that big with the same amount of financial clout, then yes i'd be very disappointed by what's going on at DUS. For now, I'm pleased.

Look at Panama City with "It has a population of 880,691, with a total metro population of 1,272,672"

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