Port of Churchill Manitoba

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by drew

I dunno. Even if we somehow manage to make Churchill or another northern port feasible - if Quebec ever comes to it's senses and the southern E-W pipeline is built - it would instantly and permanently "eat our lunch" so to speak.

No QC wouldn't. Turn your map off Mercator Projection.

Distances via the north are much shorter than they appear.

[drew]

^ it's more the seasonality of it operation. It isn't open year round correct (i.e. ice free)?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Why would U.S. state of Alberta stop MB goods from crossing to/from the Pacific?

I actually think Alberta joining the U.S. could happen in the unlikely event the Liberals are re-elected while Trump is in office. Especially if the Liberals and Quebec continue to block pipelines.

Never going to happen. Wexit was formed in the aftermath of the 2019 election, but quickly fizzled out. There was even a brief movement to join the US after COVID, but the billboards plastered with Donald Trump's photo on them, were ignored.

The vast majority of Albertans have no desire to leave Canada and join the US, despite what our batshit crazy Premier says.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Never going to happen. Wexit was formed in the aftermath of the 2019 election, but quickly fizzled out. There was even a brief movement to join the US after COVID, but the billboards plastered with Donald Trump's photo on them, were ignored.

The vast majority of Albertans have no desire to leave Canada and join the US, despite what our batshit crazy Premier says.

I agree with you that this is true now, but if things get much worse for Alberta in the coming years and they blame Central Canada and the Federal Government, Trump could make Alberta an offer they couldn't refuse.

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by drew

^ it's more the seasonality of it operation. It isn't open year round correct?

100% true. Ice is always the main hurdle. HudBay is about 5mths completely ice free right now, with a month of shoulder on each side. So call it 6-7 months. And growing with global warming.

But FactaNV is right on this. If you pair a northern military base beside the port, and base all your icebreakers there, it changes the game. Icebreakers going out for military patrol break a path for cargo ships going in/out for deliveries. Two birds, one stone. Year round operation.

But this also points to a change in shipbuilding. Start building icebreaking cargo ships, 2-in-1. Instead of a separate icebreaker busting a path for a non-icebreaking cargo ship to follow it. Start building cargo ships on actual icebreaking hulls. Like this LNG icebreaker.

https://youtu.be/KL70aFOdNg8?si=zQIGTAR2MsAkJuVK&t=12

We have 2GW of undeveloped power on the Nelson that could also be used for this icebreaker shipbuilding + testing. Right up north. Build baby build.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Stormer

I agree with you that this is true now, but if things get much worse for Alberta in the coming years and they blame Central Canada and the Federal Government, Trump could make Alberta an offer they couldn't refuse.

LOL.

No thanks. America is a fascist state now. Democracy is dead. Trump and Musk are gutting the Federal Government as we speak. The people are not rising up to protest. America is going to look much different by spring, when they start jailing political opponents.

I was hoping I would never see this happen, but what has occurred in most other nations (Putin in Russia, Marcos in Philippeans, Hitler in Germany, Mussolini in Italy, Peron in Argentina, as well as dozens of others), America has now fallen into autocracy.

[bodaggin]

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[1ajs]

Originally Posted by drew

I dunno. Even if we somehow manage to make Churchill or another northern port feasible - if Quebec ever comes to it's senses and the southern E-W pipeline is built - it would instantly and permanently "eat our lunch" so to speak.

yes and no it would also be adventagious to our north to have this setup for distribution to our far north communities again

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Why would U.S. state of Alberta stop MB goods from crossing to/from the Pacific?

I actually think Alberta joining the U.S. could happen in the unlikely event the Liberals are re-elected while Trump is in office. Especially if the Liberals and Quebec continue to block pipelines.

Good luck getting First Nations on side. They have claim to something like 95% of Alberta and their treaty is with the feds, not the province.

[phone]

Originally Posted by TimeFadesAway

Good luck getting First Nations on side. They have claim to something like 95% of Alberta and their treaty is with the feds, not the province.

Totally right (though to be technical it's with the Federal *Crown*, not the *Feds*) and the fact that this isn't patently obvious to Stormer shows that he is in need of a civics lesson.

[The Jabroni]

Geo-politics aside, I think this opportunity for the Port of Churchill, and maybe Fort Nelson, if they wish to revive the prospect of having a second port there, would be great. If barges can be an option, if the Nelson River can support them, then this would greatly help with a multimodal option as well.

If they can also build a road adjacent to the railway leading up to Churchill, that would give them more options and further connect the road network to the north with the rest of North America.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by The Jabroni

Geo-politics aside, I think this opportunity for the Port of Churchill, and maybe Fort Nelson, if they wish to revive the prospect of having a second port there, would be great. If barges can be an option, if the Nelson River can support them, then this would greatly help with a multimodal option as well.

If they can also build a road adjacent to the railway leading up to Churchill, that would give them more options and further connect the road network to the north with the rest of North America.

It honestly might be easier to finish the road to Port Nelson which is about 100 km away from the road terminus. Afterwards, you may be able to run a road along the coast to Churchill where it would be easier to build than trying to build a road on muskeg along the rail line.

[ericmacm]

Hey, I don’t wade out into the Manitoba forum much but RFPs for structural engineering, hydrographic surveys, and interim wharf repair services were posted on MERX on Friday by the Port of Churchill Corporation. Seems like things are starting to move.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

Hey, I don’t wade out into the Manitoba forum much but RFPs for structural engineering, hydrographic surveys, and interim wharf repair services were posted on MERX on Friday by the Port of Churchill Corporation. Seems like things are starting to move.

half billion dallo project i beleave

[The Jabroni]

It's a critical time to start now, and by the sounds of it, they're definitely moving forward with it.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by The Jabroni

It's a critical time to start now, and by the sounds of it, they're definitely moving forward with it.

been in the works for almost a decade now

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

It honestly might be easier to finish the road to Port Nelson which is about 100 km away from the road terminus. Afterwards, you may be able to run a road along the coast to Churchill where it would be easier to build than trying to build a road on muskeg along the rail line.

That's fair. Just looking at the map of the area, and it may seem to be more feasible to have a coastal road/highway.

The only remaining concern at that point is the fact that a potential coastal road would be just like any coastal road, especially if it involves inclement weather either in the summer time or winter time.

[Flatland Metropolis]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Why would U.S. state of Alberta stop MB goods from crossing to/from the Pacific?

I actually think Alberta joining the U.S. could happen in the unlikely event the Liberals are re-elected while Trump is in office. Especially if the Liberals and Quebec continue to block pipelines.

Leger did some polling on the 51st state stuff and the numbers are surprisingly low for Alberta. I would have thought the same thing but even with all this Liberal anger, only 19% of Albertans want to be the 51st state and 18% of Sk/Mb. For the rest of the country numbers are lower, around the 10% mark, but the number of traitors are not overwhelming.

https://leger360.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Report-OMNI-CAN-16811-123-51st-state.pdf

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by Flatland Metropolis

Leger did some polling on the 51st state stuff and the numbers are surprisingly low for Alberta. I would have thought the same thing but even with all this Liberal anger, only 19% of Albertans want to be the 51st state and 18% of Sk/Mb. For the rest of the country numbers are lower, around the 10% mark, but the number of traitors are not overwhelming.

https://leger360.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Report-OMNI-CAN-16811-123-51st-state.pdf

Agreed it is low now, but what if Alberta can't sell its energy anymore and the rest of Canada does not help them get their energy to tidewater? Then what do these number look like?

[Flatland Metropolis]

A trend to watch for sure! Hopefully it does not come to that.