1047 Richmond Rd | 112+121m | 36+38f | Site Prep

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by originalmuffins

huh? why the sale??

Fengate bought the property in March 2022 to carry out this development.

[originalmuffins]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Fengate bought the property in March 2022 to carry out this development.

Ahhh okay okay, can't wait to see this one approved and started honestly. Very excited to see this one go up.

[waterloowarrior]

appealed to OLT - I assume the developer has appealed because the City has not made a decision within the statutory timeline
https://jus-olt-prod.powerappsportal...f-002248ae4c8f

[originalmuffins]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

appealed to OLT - I assume the developer has appealed because the City has not made a decision within the statutory timeline
https://jus-olt-prod.powerappsportal...f-002248ae4c8f

Hell yeah, take action and get that approval!

[J.OT13]

Recommended for refusal. We'll know more next Planning Committee.

https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.c...a&lang=English

[SL123]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Recommended for refusal. We'll know more next Planning Committee.

https://pub-ottawa.escribemeetings.c...a&lang=English

the document says the following for reason to refuse:

-The three-tower proposal of 85,422 square metres of gross floor area is a
significant and unwarranted increase in density.

- The building setbacks do not allow for sufficient tree planting or landscaped
open space.

- The building massing is unsatisfactory and results in a built form that
creates wind, shadow and safety concerns and negatively affects the public realm.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by SL123

the document says the following for reason to refuse:

-The three-tower proposal of 85,422 square metres of gross floor area is a
significant and unwarranted increase in density.

- The building setbacks do not allow for sufficient tree planting or landscaped
open space.

- The building massing is unsatisfactory and results in a built form that
creates wind, shadow and safety concerns and negatively affects the public realm.

Towers are pretty chunky. Nothing about the height.

[OTSkyline]

URGH are you kidding me? A modern, slender development capped at 40 stories at the ENTRANCE of an LRT station.

too high, wind concerns, etc.. I can't with this city. Are they aware of the 60,70, 80 story developments going on across the country where no children are affected?

*We fully support intensification & TOD, just not here, oh and not here either, oh and not too tall, oh no this doesn't work either*

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by SL123

the document says the following for reason to refuse:

-The three-tower proposal of 85,422 square metres of gross floor area is a
significant and unwarranted increase in density.
These towers should be considered TOO LOW IN DENSITY when compared to TOD anywhere in the GTA, for example. This kind of development would barely be noticeable on the skylines of Calgary, Montreal, Vancouver. Did we, or did we not, build a multibillion dollar LRT?

- The building setbacks do not allow for sufficient tree planting or landscaped
open space.
Great, build taller and thinner with less podium (not gonna happen)

- The building massing is unsatisfactory and results in a built form that
creates wind, shadow and safety concerns and negatively affects the public realm.

Great, build taller and thinner with less podium to reduce wind and shadow concerns. I'm honestly not certain what kind of 'safety concerns' a pedestrian average high rise development in a city of 1.5 million people, on a major arterial road and LRT line creates.

[Williamoforange]

Why doesn't staff just state the plain reason, recommended for refusal because developer had already appealed the project to OLT. So we went to slap there hands for daring to appeal before we made a decision.

[vtecyo]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

URGH are you kidding me? A modern, slender development capped at 40 stories at the ENTRANCE of an LRT station.

too high, wind concerns, etc.. I can't with this city. Are they aware of the 60,70, 80 story developments going on across the country where no children are affected?

*We fully support intensification & TOD, just not here, oh and not here either, oh and not too tall, oh no this doesn't work either*

Well - at the moment it's zoned for max 25m, and they're looking for over 120m... I expect they're just negotiating it down to under 100m which means we'll probably see the tallest at around ~30 floors.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Why doesn't staff just state the plain reason, recommended for refusal because developer had already appealed the project to OLT. So we went to slap there hands for daring to appeal before we made a decision.

So developers are allowed to appeal before a decision if the decision takes too long. Sounds like cities need more resources in order to process files faster. If cities can hire more people to work on these files, the OLT would receive fewer appeals.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by vtecyo

Well - at the moment it's zoned for max 25m, and they're looking for over 120m... I expect they're just negotiating it down to under 100m which means we'll probably see the tallest at around ~30 floors.

Which would put us in a new 'Soho Italia' situation. Developer goes for appropriate height in a given area, NIMBYs get it shut down, over the years other developers fight and win, then these buildings look short compared to other newer developments. Ottawa WILL be building 40+ floor buildings in central TODs. Just have to beat down backwards thinking councillors and NIMBYs over time.

[Harley613]

I'm still reeling over 'Shadow and Safety Concerns' on a project where the tallest tower would be tied for 31st tallest in Calgary, a city of comparable size in our country. WTF kind of 'safety concerns' are we talking about here?!?!?

[LRTeverywhere]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I'm still reeling over 'Shadow and Safety Concerns' on a project where the tallest tower would be tied for 31st tallest in Calgary, a city of comparable size in our country. WTF kind of 'safety concerns' are we talking about here?!?!?

Pedestrians would be too astonished by the height that they would walk out into traffic while staring up at it.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by LRTeverywhere

Pedestrians would be too astonished by the height that they would walk out into traffic while staring up at it.

Very funny, but this area is already jam packed with high rise buildings. From street level, in close proximity, one can not even tell the difference between a 20 story building and a 40 story building. I can assure you, you are at no higher risk of blowing away by the wind or getting killed by a shadow at the base of the Burj Khalifa, than at the base of 1025 Richmond Rd.

[ponyboycurtis]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Very funny, but this area is already jam packed with high rise buildings. From street level, in close proximity, one can not even tell the difference between a 20 story building and a 40 story building. I can assure you, you are at no higher risk of blowing away by the wind or getting killed by a shadow at the base of the Burj Khalifa, than at the base of 1025 Richmond Rd.

I've always said this both internally and to anyone willing to listen. After a certain height its all the same from ground level. Of course as discussed here ad nauseum a taller height lets you shrink the floor plate. Pencil towers in New York aside a slim height ratio generally looks better, especially for residential towers. Like... as an overall aesthetic..



Nimbys would let this fly because its not 40fl. How did this building ever get built?

[J.OT13]

People just don't get it. The Ambleside delegations was mind numbing. They were incapable of understanding that the option was a tower or land-scraper, not a tower or nothing, no matter how many times Leiper and others tried to drill it in their heads.

[Ottawacurious]

From Kavanagh's 26-Oct newsletter:

"Zoning by-law refusal – 1047 Richmond Road coming to Planning Committee
A request for zoning by-law amendment for the development application for 1047 Richmond Road is on the agenda for tomorrow's Planning Committee Thursday, October 27, 2022. The Planning staff's report is recommending that Council refuse this request.

At the community meeting my office held on March 23, 2022, residents raised concerns about the scale of this project and the lack of respect for the New Orchard/Cleary Secondary Plan, which outlines that high rise buildings must not exceed 20 storeys. There was also concern that the scale of the Main Street frontage was too high and did not create a proper scale for a pedestrian focused street scape. I share these concerns from the community. I would equally state that intensification near transit is important but we need guarantees that a significant number of units of this development be set aside for affordable housing.

The proposed development includes:

Three towers of 36-storeys, 38-storeys, and 40-storeys heights atop a connected six-storey podium, with frontage onto both Richmond Road and New Orchard Avenue North.
A total of 1,343 residential units are proposed with 762 underground parking spaces, 672 spaces for residential use and 90 spaces for visitors.
A total of 1,347 squares metres of commercial space intended to accommodate retail tenants is located within the ground floor of the podium, with active entrances along Richmond Road.
To review additional documents associated with this development application you can visit here. If you would like to submit your written comments on this file you can send them to the lead planner Allison Hamlin allison.hamlin@ottawa.ca or if you wish speak to the planning committee on this item you can contact Kelly Crozier, Planning Committee Coordinator by email kelly.crozier@ottawa.ca or phone 613-580-2424 x16875.

Residents can tune in to watch the Planning Committee meeting on the City's YouTube channel beginning at 9:30am."

[Harley613]

....which outlines that high rise buildings must not exceed 20 storeys.


These people are completely delusional if they think that area will only have sub 20 floor buildings in the future.