Protests and their effects on Ottawa

[JHikka]

Happy Goat coffee this AM



https://twitter.com/cuttingejs/statu...59840933228553

[Kitchissippi]

OMG, this city is a shit-show.

Parking lot at city-owned ball stadium used as a logistics camp for protesters

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

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[Jimmy Nimby]

A whole lotta these posts aren’t going to age well when the next disruptive radical left wing protest inevitably happens lol smh

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Nimby

A whole lotta these posts aren’t going to age well when the next disruptive radical left wing protest inevitably happens lol smh

If there is one that is even remotely as disruptive, I would agree with you. But I have yet to see any protest for any cause that rivals this in terms of the ongoing harassment of huge numbers of residents. (And for the record, I though the train protest should have been removed immediately.)

[Jimmy Nimby]

Originally Posted by phil235

If there is one that is even remotely as disruptive, I would agree with you. But I have yet to see any protest for any cause that rivals this in terms of the ongoing harassment of huge numbers of residents. (And for the record, I though the train protest should have been removed immediately.)

The point I’m trying to make transcends borders. I’m pointing to ideological divisions and the resulting hypocrisy when it comes to tolerance for disruptive activism. On principle, if you’re tolerant of say the blm violence in the 2020 US protests yet outraged by the nuisance of the trucker protest in Canada you’re being an intellectually lazy hypocrite. So yes, I’ll bet you any money there will be a disruptive radical left wing protest on the horizon somewhere and I bet there will be Canadians who go into full ideological echo chamber mode regardless of the location.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Nimby

The point I’m trying to make transcends borders. I’m pointing to ideological divisions and the resulting hypocrisy when it comes to tolerance for disruptive activism. On principle, if you’re tolerant of say the blm violence in the 2020 US protests yet outraged by the nuisance of the trucker protest in Canada you’re being an intellectually lazy hypocrite. So yes, I’ll bet you any money there will be a disruptive radical left wing protest on the horizon somewhere and I bet there will be Canadians who go into full ideological echo chamber mode regardless of the location.

Point taken, people are always more tolerant of protests that align with their own principles. But I do think that all protests are not created equally, and this protest is demonstrably different from anything we've seen before in Canada, both in duration and the level of harassment of regular people going about their business (which I've seen firsthand in the Glebe, and we are getting a fraction of what Centretown is). People are right to be more tolerant of a peaceful occupation of a park (for example) than whatever this is.

I think the BLM protests are a bit of a strawman in the sense that it's hard to compare someone's reaction to reports of protests taking place in another country to something that directly affects them. The current occupation is enraging people in this city across the political spectrum.

[Jimmy Nimby]

Originally Posted by phil235

I think the BLM protests are a bit of a strawman in the sense that it's hard to compare someone's reaction to reports of protests taking place in another country to something that directly affects them. The current occupation is enraging people in this city across the political spectrum.

I would agree if the contempt aimed at this protest originated only from those who live in downtown Ottawa. Ideological hypocrisy transcends geography.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by phil235

Point taken, people are always more tolerant of protests that align with their own principles. But I do think that all protests are not created equally, and this protest is demonstrably different from anything we've seen before in Canada, both in duration and the level of harassment of regular people going about their business (which I've seen firsthand in the Glebe, and we are getting a fraction of what Centretown is). People are right to be more tolerant of a peaceful occupation of a park (for example) than whatever this is.

I think the BLM protests are a bit of a strawman in the sense that it's hard to compare someone's reaction to reports of protests taking place in another country to something that directly affects them. The current occupation is enraging people in this city across the political spectrum.

You have a point though US events are constantly referenced by Canadians (including Canadian SSPers) and are part of the Canadian narrative whether we like it or not.

She's one among many but AOC is definitely an influential figure among the militant Canadian left.

Just as a whole of bunch of American (mostly bad) actors are clearly influencing the truckers and their friends in downtown Ottawa.

Not saying you're doing this yourself but one can't pretend there is a huge amount of US influence on a specific group (ie this gang spread out across the right side of the spectrum) to the point where they're characterized as pseudo deplorable Americans on Canadian soil, and then deny that that same influence from south of the border doesn't unfurl on people with different political views

[bartlebooth]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Nimby

The point I’m trying to make transcends borders. I’m pointing to ideological divisions and the resulting hypocrisy when it comes to tolerance for disruptive activism. On principle, if you’re tolerant of say the blm violence in the 2020 US protests yet outraged by the nuisance of the trucker protest in Canada you’re being an intellectually lazy hypocrite. So yes, I’ll bet you any money there will be a disruptive radical left wing protest on the horizon somewhere and I bet there will be Canadians who go into full ideological echo chamber mode regardless of the location.

I'm legitimately confused by your post. Who in this forum said that damage/violence that occurred as a result of BLM protests in the US (from those on the right or left) was good while at the same time saying that whatever's happening in Ottawa right now is bad? Maybe I missed that post?

Just as an FYI, the topic of violence at BLM protests has been studied in the US and the resulting data indicates that overall, violence was relatively low given the size and number of protests. Mainstream media outlets haven't done a good job of reporting this, which is no shock.

When violence did occur, it was mostly targeted at BLM protesters by police and counterprotesters. Yes, property was damaged and people were hurt on both sides but to suggest that the "radical left" was out there destroying everything is false (from what I've read).

Also, who are you referring to when you say "radical left"?

[Jimmy Nimby]

Originally Posted by bartlebooth

I'm legitimately confused by your post. Who in this forum said that damage/violence that occurred as a result of BLM protests in the US (from those on the right or left) was good while at the same time saying that whatever's happening in Ottawa right now is bad? Maybe I missed that post?

Just as an FYI, the topic of violence at BLM protests has been studied in the US and the resulting data indicates that overall, violence was relatively low given the size and number of protests. Mainstream media outlets haven't done a good job of reporting this, which is no shock.

When violence did occur, it was mostly targeted at BLM protesters by police and counterprotesters. Yes, property was damaged and people were hurt on both sides but to suggest that the "radical left" was out there destroying everything is false (from what I've read).

Also, who are you referring to when you say "radical left"?

Lol this response perfectly demonstrates the point that seems to elude you.

[DTcrawler]

Originally Posted by bartlebooth

I'm legitimately confused by your post. Who in this forum said that damage/violence that occurred as a result of BLM protests in the US (from those on the right or left) was good while at the same time saying that whatever's happening in Ottawa right now is bad? Maybe I missed that post?

Just as an FYI, the topic of violence at BLM protests has been studied in the US and the resulting data indicates that overall, violence was relatively low given the size and number of protests. Mainstream media outlets haven't done a good job of reporting this, which is no shock.

When violence did occur, it was mostly targeted at BLM protesters by police and counterprotesters. Yes, property was damaged and people were hurt on both sides but to suggest that the "radical left" was out there destroying everything is false (from what I've read).

Also, who are you referring to when you say "radical left"?

While it's disingenuous to categorize all BLM protests in the US as equally damaging, there are definitely well-documented instances of looting, violence and other mischief that stemmed from those protests. It's pretty easy to find videos of stores being completely ransacked, including one that I found quite difficult to watch where a Black business owner was brought to tears over having his business destroyed. I'm happy to provide links if you'd like.

Were all of those heinous acts committed by protestors? For the most part, probably not. They were committed by people with who latched onto the protest despite having ill intentions from the onset. Kind of like how the freedom convoy has dealt with despicable acts of hate and desecration, despite the majority of the protesters being against those kinds of acts or viewpoints.

As for how to characterize the "radical left," it's a bit harder to describe than the far right, where you can easily list off groups such as the Three Percenters, Soldiers of Odin, Proud Boys, etc. That being said, the first group that immediately comes to mind when you talk about the far/radical left is Antifa. While the far right has somewhat watered down the meaning of Antifa by accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being part of said group (kind of like how, conversely, the term "Nazi" gets thrown around way too liberally), the core movement has definitely been pretty extreme in their campaigns, especially south of the border.

[waterloowarrior]

I'm not so worried about the Ottawa Police... Why haven't we heard from UNESCO?



https://twitter.com/AnnieClaireBO/st...NleDI5d4A&s=19

[MichelKazan]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

I'm not so worried about the Ottawa Police... Why haven't we heard from UNESCO?



https://twitter.com/AnnieClaireBO/st...NleDI5d4A&s=19

No building permit?

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by MichelKazan

No building permit?

Maybe we should put these guys in charge of the NCC pop-up bistro program.. I'm sure they'll be open for business tomorrow!

[lrt's friend]

I just saw a tractor and trailer coming into the city on Bank Street South all decked out with flags and signs in the last 10 minutes.

We should prepare for a difficult weekend.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I just saw a tractor and trailer coming into the city on Bank Street South all decked out with flags and signs in the last 10 minutes.

We should prepare for a difficult weekend.

Yeah it's the calm before the storm. Walked around tonight and they seem very dug in. Well organized for the long haul with shuttles for meals, showers and the like. A small but steady stream of Local pedestrians coming to express support and the never ending honking which is the calling card of this protest.

[J.OT13]

Hot take from Mike Duggan: the Confederate Flag is racist in the U.S. but only a symbol of rebellion in Canada. The Nazi flag was photoshopped (?) by the media. And Terry Fox would be at the protest if he were alive today.

Not surprising at all coming from this guy.

Manif à Ottawa: le conseiller Mike Duggan défend l’utilisation du drapeau confédéré

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/02/03/m...dd8c7fab423156

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Hot take from Mike Duggan: the Confederate Flag is racist in the U.S. but only a symbol of rebellion in Canada. The Nazi flag was photoshopped (?) by the media. And Terry Fox would be at the protest if he were alive today.

Not surprising at all coming from this guy.

Manif à Ottawa: le conseiller Mike Duggan défend l’utilisation du drapeau confédéré

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/02/03/m...dd8c7fab423156

Mike Duggan was a Dukes of Hazzard fan in his youth.

[Jimmy Nimby]

So if we’ve decided that the way to discredit a cause and vilify your political enemies is to focus on despicable actions from bad actors who are the definition of statistical outliers, then a handful of radical right wing trouble makers just need to show to the next left wing protest with hammers & sickles and neurotically focus only on that. Right? Good job everyone.