Dominant city usurpations

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by ocman

But the same reasoning could be made with technology, it’s made in a lot of places. Top shelf companies are have been and are created outside of Silicon Valley. Amazon and Microsoft are in Seattle. Dell and IBM are elsewhere. Snapchat and SpaceX are in LA. Spotify is in Europe, and FAANG is spreading to DC and NYC. The point is that most content is made in LA. The studio system is Hollywood. And FAANG are almost exclusively setting up their content divisions in Culver City. London’s film industry is small in comparison to Hollywood, which itself acts as the world’s international capital of entertainment, and not as a local industry.

Exactly.
Hollywood is like the major leagues. I've run into people from NYC/London/Australia (places with film industries) who are here looking for the next big step. The same is true for many of the social media stars. (The NY Times had a article last year or so that documented many popular Instagrammers live in one apartment complex at Holywood and Vine) I've also read/heard recently LA took over the Podcast capital from NYC due to the entertianment crowd.


I'm guessing it's like this for Silicon Valley too. It's a different level.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Hamilton

Jamestown -> Williamsburg -> Richmond, Virginia

Jamestown -> Williamsburg -> Richmond, Virginia -> Northern Virginia

FTFY. There are zero people anywhere in Virginia who would describe Richmond or anywhere other than NoVA as the state's dominant city.

Pretty much the same thing in Maryland, BTW, although it is less extreme than in Virginia: Saint Mary's City -> Baltimore -> DC suburbs

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by ocman

But the same reasoning could be made with technology, it’s made in a lot of places.

Oh absolutely but I was responding to this:
If the entertainment content (and everything related to it) on those websites suddenly stopped or became unavailable, it would get very boring to the majority of the population.

I'm sorry but writers and actors dont hold that much sway where content could 'suddenly stop'. That's the prerogative of media companies and studio bosses themselves and the platforms upon which the content is distributed, no?

Platforms like Netflix, Google, Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Instagram etc right? lol

Top shelf companies are have been and are created outside of Silicon Valley. Amazon and Microsoft are in Seattle. Dell, Samsung, and IBM are elsewhere. Snapchat and SpaceX are in LA. Spotify is in Europe, and FAANG is spreading to DC and NYC.

Oh absolutely but it's proven in ranking after ranking, year after year, that the Bay dominates the world as far as powerful corporate brands in technology.

In fact, as far as corporate brands in general the west coast accounts for nearly a quarter of the world's 100 most powerful brands:

Top 100 Global Brands 2018:
Bay Area: 18/100
1 Google
2 Apple
6 Facebook
7 Visa
18 Wells Fargo
30 PayPal
38 Intel
45 Oracle
51 Youtube
57 Cisco
61 Netflix
75 Adobe
78 Salesforce
81 Uber
83 LinkedIn
88 ebay
89 HP
91 Instagram

Seattle: 4/100
3 Amazon
4 Microsoft
23 Starbucks
72 Costco

Los Angeles: 1/100
19 Disney

Portland: 1/100
29 Nike

https://www.marketing-interactive.co...rld-announced/

The point is that most content is made in LA.

Please provide a legitimate statistic that proves this because I cant find any evidence to back this statement up.

Furthermore, what about the non-English speaking world? You sure that Hollywood is that big a force in China and India, for example?

SV is the biggest online presence in the world-here's an example of that...

Top 5 Websites in India by Daily Visits:
1 google.com
2 youtube.com
3 google.co.in
4 porn555.com
5 facebook.com

https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/IN

London’s film industry is small in comparison to Hollywood, which itself acts as the world’s international capital of entertainment, and not as a local industry.

Sorry but I find this to be a bit of an overstatement.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by badrunner

Where did you go for the holidays?

Actually I was at home and each time I went into The City it looked like this:
• Video Link

So Im not sure what youre talking about when u say SF empties during the holidays--on the contrary its packed.

[Segun]

For the people who don't keep a copy of Forbes 500 on them, San Francisco is eclipsed in cultural importance by LA. Outside of a few landmarks, the average American probably won't know much about the Bay, when referring to the Geography, Art and music scene, slang, infrastructure and history. It doesn't register nearly half as much as NYC and LA. I'm thinking the topic refers to that.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Segun

For the people who don't keep a copy of Forbes 500 on them, San Francisco is eclipsed in cultural importance by LA.

Haha most of the 2.27 billion active FB users Im sure dont have subscriptions to Fortune(its Fortune btw), nor do the billion on Instagram, nor do the billions you use Youtube every day.

Outside of a few landmarks, the average American probably won't know much about the Bay, when referring to the Geography, Art and music scene, slang, infrastructure and history. It doesn't register nearly half as much as NYC and LA.

LOL what does what people think have to do with what actually is fact?

I'm thinking the topic refers to that.

You are free to your opinion. It's just that I dont deal in broad platitudes and unsubstantiated claims.

[Segun]

"Honey let's take a trip to the Bay Area!

For what baby?

FACEBOOK!"

[N90]

dimonpark is completely right. SF trounces LA in modern day importance.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Agent Orange

Montreal > Toronto

Sydney > Melbourne > Sydney

Philadelphia > New York

Rio de Janeiro > São Paulo

Montreal> Toronto is a perfect example, and some of us are old enough to remember living through the transition from Montreal> Toronto

Montreal was riding high on Expo 67, then they had the Montreal 1976 Olympics, and of course the Habs were dominating the NHL.It was the Canadian city that seemed to be on the map more then any others at that time..When I was young, Montreal was "thee" premiere city in Canada.Even in the Anglosphere. I'm thinking that the Melbourne/Sydney back and forth thing in Australia would be similar, although there was never any back and forth between Montreal and Toronto after Toronto took over. Sure Montreal still dominates French Canada, but it used to occupy a larger space in Anglo Canada as well.

On a more regional level, Edmonton>Calgary perhaps?..Again, I sort of remember when Edmonton was more important between the two. Maybe it just felt that way because of sports (Gretzky)..Dunno

How about Chicago> L.A if it hasn't already been mentioned on here?
Saint Louis> Chicago is a good one that somebody mentioned already.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Segun

"Honey let's take a trip to the Bay Area!

For what baby?

FACEBOOK!"

LOL The topic is usurpation, not vacations.

LA has certainly usurped SF as far as population for sure, but politically the Bay Area rules this state, economically the Bay Area draws more way workers from outside it's borders than the LA area etc. You cant tell me the world is not a different place post FB btw.

Im just saying.

[Segun]

In cultural power, not at all.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

LA has certainly usurped SF as far as population for sure, but politically the Bay Area rules this state

I don't think many people outside of the Bay Area will agree with that. My impression is that Dallas and Houston have a more even symbiosis within Texas than do LA and SF in California.

[Juice_Newton]

All of the major tech companies are opening huge offices in Los Angeles. Netflix will occupy three large buildings in Hollywood and a studio. Amazon is taking over a studio in Culver City and building a new office building. Google is converting the old Spruce Goose hangar into a massive office in Playa Vista. Tech has strengthened LA’s role as a media hub, not weakened it and tech is increasingly realizing they need a major presence here to stay relevant.

In terms of politics, Southern California is over half the states population and is the 500 lb gorilla. There is actually a saying in Sacramento that “the dividing line of California runs down Wilshire Boulevard.”

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Segun

In cultural power, not at all.

Look whatever you need to tell yourself so you can feel better, but SF has consistently been at the forefront of several cultural and social movements going back decades.

San Francisco Creates World’s First Ever Transgender Cultural District
Emily Wilson
12.11.18 5:18 AM ET

...The area Mahogany was walking through makes up part of the first legally recognized transgender district in the world, Compton's Transgender Cultural District.

Mahogany, a performer and contestant on Season 5 of RuPaul’s Drag Race, is Compton's district manager. The district’s purpose is to stop the displacement of trans people from a place they have been welcomed in historically, and to teach people about trans history, she said.

Mahogany grew up in San Francisco, and she always felt comfortable in the Tenderloin.

“The Tenderloin has always held a really special place in my heart as a trans person with the way the community is accepting of gender variant and trans people of color,” she said. “There’s friendliness and an energy to the Tenderloin. People say hello and good morning and how are you and check in with each other, which I think often gets lost in a big city.”

Under Donald Trump’s administration, there has been a proposed ban on transgender people in the military, and more recently, proposed changes to narrowly define gender that would eradicate federal recognition for about one and a half million trans Americans...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-fr...tural-district

But if you still maintain that the latest Cardi B drama On TMZ constitutes cultural superiority, you are free to feel that way.

[N90]

SF trounces LA in cultural power.

LA is at the mercy of SF/SEA cos like Amazon, Netflix, YouTube. The innovations and disruptions in the entertainment biz have come from SF, not LA.

Btw, FB helped cease conflict in the Middle East and is the biggest tech breakthrough in communications since the invention of wireless cell phones. SF is the center of the Internet streaming world. You can't buy culture like this, you can only invent it and LA can't out invent SF.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by N90

SF trounces LA in cultural power.

LA is at the mercy of SF/SEA cos like Amazon, Netflix, YouTube. The innovations and disruptions in the entertainment biz have come from SF, not LA.

Btw, FB helped cease conflict in the Middle East and is the biggest tech breakthrough in communications since the invention of wireless cell phones. SF is the center of the Internet streaming world. You can't buy culture like this, you can only invent it and LA can't out invent SF.

Facebook was invented in Boston.

[N90]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Facebook was invented in Boston.

Yes and no

FB was started in Boston but hit a wall. Zuckerberg took it to SF and launched it as a social media platform at Stanford and then it grew into the company we know it to be today. He was able to land the investors that he needed in SV and he couldn't do that in BOS.

Companies like FB don't move to cities like LA. lol most companies from any industry don't move to LA period, they move out of LA.

[Segun]

When I log into Facebook, I don't think "Saaaaan Fraaaaancisco!!!!" I'm focusing on the content created by the people.

Yes, its HQ'd in the Bay Area, but its the type of company that could be anywhere. It's a big company, not an institution. Tech has been dispersed across the country. The Bay has the largest percentage of tech jobs still, but its a large percentage in a growing field. When tech started, Silicon Valley was a big fish in a small pond, now it's a big fish in an ocean. Imagine trying to disconnect Hollywood from the city of LA. That's how branding manages to imprint the idea of LA across the minds of people Worldwide.

You can respond "It doesn't matter because San Fran still controls it....." but then that raises the old philosophical saying about the Tree in an empty forest.

We might as well say that the IT guy runs corporations now.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I don't think many people outside of the Bay Area will agree with that. My impression is that Dallas and Houston have a more even symbiosis within Texas than do LA and SF in California.

It doesnt matter what people think. Both US Senators are from SF, incoming Speaker of the House is Namcy Pelosi, the outgoing and incoming governor are former mayors of Oakland and SF, as is incoming Lt Governor etc.

The North absolutely rules this state's political landscape.

Bay Area has taken control of politics in California
Matthew Artz
PUBLISHED: September 10, 2016 at 10:18 pm | UPDATED: July 19, 2018 at 12:30 pm

...The region’s growing hold over statewide offices has not been lost on Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Orange, who earlier this year told voters that Bay Area politicians “control everything.”

It may not have bumper sticker potential: “Vote Sanchez! She’s not from the Bay Area!”

But for an instant in her uphill battle for the U.S. Senate, Rep. Loretta Sanchez, an Orange County Democrat, tried appealing to a sentiment that rarely registers in California politics: regional pride.

Campaigning last spring in Southern California, Sanchez described her rival, state Attorney General Kamala Harris, as “from San Francisco.” And when the men she was talking to remarked that California didn’t need yet another Bay Area native holding statewide office, Sanchez pounced. “They control everything,” she said. “So we’re trying to beat them.”

Everything? Not quite.

But there’s no question that as California turns a deeper shade of blue, Bay Area Democrats are ascendant over their compatriots from the Southland.

The Bay Area accounts for nearly one in five Californians, but it’s produced seven of the 10 current statewide officeholders: Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, Gov. Jerry Brown, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, Controller Betty Yee, Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson and Harris.

By contrast, Southern California, home to nearly 60 percent of the state’s residents, claims just two: Secretary of State Alex Padilla and Treasurer John Chiang, neither of whom faced a viable Bay Area opponent in the 2014 election.

That’s a far cry from 1990, when Southern Californian politicians controlled a majority of statewide offices, including the governor’s office (George Deukmejian) and one U.S. Senate seat (Pete Wilson, who would go on to become governor).

SF machine

Theories abound about the unprecedented moment of Bay Area electoral dominance. Political observers cite San Francisco’s political machine churning out well-connected political stars, Los Angeles’ celebrity-obsessed local news broadcasts keeping politicians off the airwaves and the Bay Area’s one-sided rivalry with Los Angeles producing more parochial voters up north.

But the Bay Area’s undisputed advantage is that its residents are far more politically engaged, especially compared with Los Angeles.

“We refer to Los Angeles as the black hole of politics,” said Bob Mulholland, a veteran Democratic Party strategist who has knocked on doors all over the state canvassing voters.

“If you ask a voter in Los Angeles, ‘Who’s your Assembly member?’ they’ll say, ‘What’s an Assembly member?’” he said. “But if you ask ‘What’s Lindsay Lohan up to?’ they’ll know all about it.”

Bay Area voters are on the opposite end of the spectrum, said Mulholland, a Chico resident. “If you go door-to-door in San Jose or San Francisco or Oakland, whether it’s rent control or a legislative election, they’ll actually know something.”...

https://www.marinij.com/2016/09/10/b...in-california/

[N90]

Originally Posted by Segun

When I log into Facebook, I don't think "Saaaaan Fraaaaancisco!!!!" I'm focusing on the content created by the people.

Yes, its HQ'd in the Bay Area, but its the type of company that could be anywhere. It's a big company, not an institution. Tech has been dispersed across the country. The Bay has the largest percentage of tech jobs still, but its a large percentage in a growing field. When tech started, Silicon Valley was a big fish in a small pond, now it's a big fish in an ocean. Imagine trying to disconnect Hollywood from the city of LA. That's how branding manages to imprint the idea of LA across the minds of people Worldwide.

You can respond "It doesn't matter because San Fran still controls it....." but then that raises the old philosophical saying about the Tree in an empty forest.

We might as well say that the IT guy runs corporations now.

Except the difference is that SF/SV are stronger in tech now than ever before whereas LA's cred in Hollywood continues to fade. 60% of the FAANG cos are SV based. LA, for ex, has Disney and that's only 16% of the Big6 in film production.

Most production work on site is going to cities like ATL, Toronto, Vancouver, NYC, NOLA, and yes even SF. All the majors in your industry except Disney are based in other cities... you'll always be at the mercy of the top brass located in other cities. And the innovations and industry disruptions in entertainment are coming from SF/SV/SEA, not LA.

Netflix and Amazon can open all the studios in LA they want but won't ever change the facts that LA's position in entertainment is beginning to slip but SF's position in tech continues to grow.