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Old Posted Sep 22, 2017, 1:51 PM
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Plus let's be real.. Ottawa would put up a suburban business park concept in Orleans or Barrhaven, whereas Amazon has made it very clear it wants an urban site.
I'm not sure they have said they want an urban site. Certainly the criteria they have put forward (including a hundred acre site) don't suggest they're looking for an urban site at all.
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I think most of us can agree that Ottawa definitely has some attributes that would be attractive to a corporation like Amazon, but we don't have very much that would put us over the top compared to some of the heavy hitters vying for Amazon. Ottawa is a very safe option, which works in our favour, but fall short in several categories (airport, land in the core that doesnt include Lebreton, tax incentives). I think if Amazon ever chooses to have a Canadian HQ, we would definitely be competitive for all the reasons that have been stated in this thread.

Also about identity, we have allowed government to dominate our image for a long time, but its refreshing to see Ottawa break out of that shell and create it's own identity that includes being a government town, nothing wrong with highlighting that. Still a long way to go but we're headed in the right direction.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2017, 2:41 AM
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I wonder if a company like RioCan would partner with Amazon in finding a Canadian site since they have older properties in different cities that need to be redeveloped.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2017, 3:22 PM
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'Trump has scared the bejesus out of everyone': How Canada could win the Amazon sweepstakes
America First policies, opposition to 'genius visa' may hurt U.S. shot at landing new HQ

By Paul Haavardsrud, CBC News
Posted: Sep 23, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 23, 2017 5:00 AM ET


Handicapping the Amazon sweepstakes has become something of a cottage industry in the last few weeks.

Predictions of which city will land the company's coveted second headquarters cite everything from the bright lights of big cities like New York and Boston to Denver's crisp Rocky Mountain air to Chicago's spot as a hurricane-free haven.

The vestiges of our latent national inferiority complex might trigger a belief that the golden goose of corporate relocations couldn't possibly land here.

Before last November that may well have been true, but no longer. Now, the idea of Amazon choosing Canada isn't just possible, it's probable.

"If Trump wasn't president I don't think we'd be having quite this conversation," said Richard Florida, an urban studies theorist at the University of Toronto. "Trump has scared the bejesus out of everyone."

Every city with at least a puncher's chance of landing Amazon can check off a few boxes on the company's wish list.

More than a million people? No problem. International airport and quick routes out of town? Done and done. Tax breaks? We'll see what we can do. Affordable housing? Well, maybe not, but did we mention our beautiful waterfront and walkable streets?

Of all its criteria, the ability to draw a top-notch workforce may be Amazon's lone non-negotiable requirement.

To fill the 50,000 jobs at an eventual 8.1-million square foot headquarters, Amazon needs a city that can provide home-grown talent, as well as appeal to a class of global programming mavens who can choose where to live.

For technology companies preoccupied with luring the best and brightest from around the world, the Trump administration's America First economic strategy is more than a little troubling. At the core of the worries is a White House crackdown on the H-1B visa program — the doorway into the U.S. for thousands of software engineers and other highly skilled foreign workers.

Called the "genius visa" and America's secret economic weapon, H-1B is credited with supplying the programming horsepower that built Silicon Valley into what it is today. At Facebook, for instance, foreign guest workers make up 15 per cent of the staff.

Antipathy towards that visa from the Trump administration, combined with its attempted Muslim ban and a potential Mexico border wall, is unsettling not only for the tech industry, but also for international workers who may now be second-guessing the wisdom of relocating to a country that's no longer as welcoming.

Enter Canada, which has no such baggage. Indeed, the equivalent visa program here is actually being fast-tracked in the hopes of poaching the exact workers who not long ago would have automatically landed in Silicon Valley.
The operative question now is whether a more inclusive immigration policy is enough to convince Amazon founder Jeff Bezos to embrace the North.

One line of thinking suggests picking a non-U.S. city would be foolish, given the many ways a vengeful Trump administration might find to punish Amazon. At the same time, who better to weather that storm than Bezos, the world's richest or second richest person, depending on the day?

Beyond the potential satisfaction of poking a constant antagonist with a sharp stick — picking Canada would be a blow to Trump's jobs agenda — Bezos would also become a standard bearer for his industry's opposition to White House immigration policies.

A wild card in all of this is the potential for a city to offer a package of subsidies too sweet for Amazon to turn down. The company's long-standing hunger for such incentives could well disqualify Canadian contenders, which aren't expected to play that game as hard as their American counterparts.

Whether all the 50-plus North American cities that meet Amazon's population qualifications actually have a legitimate chance of landing the bid is another question. Florida, for one, thinks the answer is no.

"The way it's typically done is the company knows exactly where it's going to locate and then creates this fictitious competition," he said. "There are no more than a half-dozen, maybe 10 places, and I think Amazon knows, pretty much, and I think it even has the sites picked out."

Unfortunately for Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Ottawa, being a mid-sized city may already be a disqualifying factor.

Similarly, a lack of geographic diversity from Amazon's Seattle headquarters could spell a premature end to Vancouver's chances. As for Montreal, Amazon will need to consider whether its economy is vibrant enough to find jobs for the non-Amazon half of the tens of thousands of dual-income tech families that would land there.

While these cities can still mount compelling arguments, it's difficult to see how any could rival Toronto, which has the population and tech talent to stack up with any of the top U.S. contenders.

Still, the premise that Amazon already knows where it wants to go isn't accepted by everyone. Mary Moran, the head of Calgary Economic Development, which is spearheading the city's headquarters bid, believes her city has as good a chance as any and better than most. And even if the outcome is hypothetically a foregone conclusion, she still sees value in bidding.

"Let's just say it's pre-determined," said Moran. "The reality is that we couldn't ask for a better PR campaign."

Regardless of Amazon's choice, she believes that being mentioned in such a high-profile conversation will spur other tech companies to add Calgary to their own short lists.

It's a sentiment echoed by mayors across the country, who think Amazon won't be the last big company to come knocking.

"Trump won't last forever," said Florida. "Sooner or later he'll be gone, in four to eight years max, but it's time for Canadian cities to really belly up and take advantage. The good thing is, they are."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/amaz...rump-1.4302433
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2017, 11:52 PM
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According to the Financial Post, only Calgary and Denver fit Amazon's requirements.
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2017, 12:49 AM
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According to the Financial Post, only Calgary and Denver fit Amazon's requirements.
Says the guy from the Calgary bid committee.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...in-amazons-hq2
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Electricity, high minimum wage (not everyone in a HQ operation is an engineer or manager), concern about future taxes due to high debt. Cumulatively it would be a more costly operation. Also, the big disadvantage Ontario has is weak municipalities that lack financial resources (important since this is basically a "who can give the biggest bribe" exercise.

HQ type operations are exempt from most provisions of 101.

Agree wrath of the Orange Moron will be a consideration.
I am talking about the education provisions, rather than work language. Is there an exemption for this? Unlike any other HQ past or current a big chunk of the employees would be native English speakers educated outside of Canada (mostly US but also India, UK etc) and they won't be keen to have to for example start sending their 12 year old to French school for the two years while they are in Montreal before moving back to Seattle. It would also negate to some extent a big draw of Canada over the US which is attractiveness to immigrant IT specialists.
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I am talking about the education provisions, rather than work language. Is there an exemption for this? Unlike any other HQ past or current a big chunk of the employees would be native English speakers educated outside of Canada (mostly US but also India, UK etc) and they won't be keen to have to for example start sending their 12 year old to French school for the two years while they are in Montreal before moving back to Seattle. It would also negate to some extent a big draw of Canada over the US which is attractiveness to immigrant IT specialists.
Maybe, but Montreal has generally not struggled to attract staff across various knowledge sectors, so people for whom this is a concern probably send their kids to private school.
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Maybe, but Montreal has generally not struggled to attract staff across various knowledge sectors, so people for whom this is a concern probably send their kids to private school.
While this is true, Amazon is an entirely different order of magnitude in terms of the number of people involved - and potentially irked by Bill 101.
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Nothing Is Too Strange for Cities Wooing Amazon to Build There (By NELLIE BOWLES, SEPT. 25, 2017)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/t...s.html?mcubz=0
Amazon, on the hunt for a place to build a second headquarters, where it plans to invest $5 billion and create 50,000 jobs, has begun an enormous competition among cities across North America.
With a loose set of requirements like proximity to an airport and walkability, the e-commerce behemoth has set officials on a journey to sell their towns, with the aim of getting in on what some are calling one of the largest economic development deals of the century.
City applications are not due until Oct. 19...
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While this is true, Amazon is an entirely different order of magnitude in terms of the number of people involved - and potentially irked by Bill 101.
People moving from other parts of Canada can put their kids in English schools if they want. People moving from the US probably already have their kids in private school and can put their kids in an English private school if they want. People coming from any other part of the world would take it as a given that their children would be educated in the local language.
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Nothing Is Too Strange for Cities Wooing Amazon to Build There (By NELLIE BOWLES, SEPT. 25, 2017)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/t...s.html?mcubz=0
Amazon, on the hunt for a place to build a second headquarters, where it plans to invest $5 billion and create 50,000 jobs, has begun an enormous competition among cities across North America.
With a loose set of requirements like proximity to an airport and walkability, the e-commerce behemoth has set officials on a journey to sell their towns, with the aim of getting in on what some are calling one of the largest economic development deals of the century.
City applications are not due until Oct. 19...
Ottawa and Jim Watson got really good coverage here - only person other than Jeff Bezos pictured, and the only really serious bid they featured.
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LoL - who ISN'T bidding on HQ2.
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People moving from other parts of Canada can put their kids in English schools if they want.
Only people who had attended an English school in Quebec can enrol their kids with an English school board in Quebec. The rest have to go to French school no matter where you are from in Canada. Likewise, in Ontario, you need meet special conditions to enrol your kids in a French school board (although anyone can go to a French immersion program in an English school board).
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Only people who had attended an English school in Quebec can enrol their kids with an English school board in Quebec. The rest have to go to French school no matter where you are from in Canada. Likewise, in Ontario, you need meet special conditions to enrol your kids in a French school board (although anyone can go to a French immersion program in an English school board).
That's not what the constitution says.

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(2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the same language.
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Only people who had attended an English school in Quebec can enrol their kids with an English school board in Quebec. The rest have to go to French school no matter where you are from in Canada.
That was the original stipulation in Bill 101 in 1977 but it changed in 1984 as the result of a Supreme Court ruling.

As a result access to English schools in Quebec was opened up to the kids of anyone who's gone to school in English anywhere in Canada.

That's still what's in force today.

I am not originally from Quebec but went to school in English in Canada (outside Quebec), and as a result could send my kids to public English school in Quebec if I wanted to.
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My kids had the option to go to English primary school in Quebec, but I decided they would have a better chance learning French going to French school (go figure), so they are both in a French primary school.

Talking to my 10 year old, he has no desire to go to an English speaking secondary school. All of his friends are going to Grande-Rivière.

I'd rather my kids go to French school and actually learn it properly. My 7 year old keeps telling me I suck at French, so something is working.

edit.. I said French way too much..

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LoL - who ISN'T bidding on HQ2.
Happy Valley-Goose Bay hasn't shown any interest as of yet.
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That was the original stipulation in Bill 101 in 1977 but it changed in 1984 as the result of a Supreme Court ruling.

As a result access to English schools in Quebec was opened up to the kids of anyone who's gone to school in English anywhere in Canada.

That's still what's in force today.

I am not originally from Quebec but went to school in English in Canada (outside Quebec), and as a result could send my kids to public English school in Quebec if I wanted to.
I can confirm that too. Both my wife and I attended English school outside Quebec but in Canada. We had to get proof from the school boards that we did complete our schooling in English. Once we had that, it was not an issue.

As to harls, we did the opposite. We put our kids in the English school board, but in the French Immersion program. Great thing with that program in Quebec is that the teachers are all 'true' French speaking and teach it the right way. They never spoke any French until they were 4 (moved here when they were 3), and now gets told all the time when they speak French they have no English accent (which is rare). We never spoke any French at home, so it was all the schooling system and the community (more the schools lol).

I don't think there is a wrong way to go about it, other than to NOT ensure your child can speak both languages. Especially living in this region.
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Talking to my 10 year old, he has no desire to go to an English speaking secondary school. All of his friends are going to Grande-Rivière.

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Maybe you should consider sending him to St-Alexandre!
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