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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:22 AM
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Do you regularly see people dropping rocks off other bridges?
That's why pedestrian overpasses on the Queensway, Transitway, etc. are either enclosed or constrained with fencing.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 11:40 AM
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Yeah, how long before someone drops a rock or a brick off that pedestrian bridge into oncoming traffic?
Same thing for the South Keys Airport Parkway pedestrian bridge!
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That's why pedestrian overpasses on the Queensway, Transitway, etc. are either enclosed or constrained with fencing.
There are easily 30+ bridges across the city where you can drop a rock/brick onto cars if that was your goal.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 4:26 PM
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Not to mention the fact that you can quite easily throw a rock through those chain-link fences. It's not a forcefield.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 PM
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Could just be me, but I wasn't very impressed with this plan. I like the pedestrian bridge and the lookout towards the Ottawa River, but overall it's safe. As soon as I saw the different plans I knew the NCC was going to pick this one. Seemed very typical of Ottawa. A few of the others would've been game changers for the area. Small cafes, etc.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:08 PM
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The fencing on bridges is also an anti-suicide measure.
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Could just be me, but I wasn't very impressed with this plan. I like the pedestrian bridge and the lookout towards the Ottawa River, but overall it's safe. As soon as I saw the different plans I knew the NCC was going to pick this one. Seemed very typical of Ottawa. A few of the others would've been game changers for the area. Small cafes, etc.
I wonder why they tore down the original pedestrian bridge in 1959? Was it just a matter of reaching the end of its useful life and no money to replace it?
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That's why pedestrian overpasses on the Queensway, Transitway, etc. are either enclosed or constrained with fencing.
You don't need a bridge to throw rocks onto cars. Someone could easily just lob it over the side of the cliff while atop Nepean Point.

However, I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up with mile-high retainer walls or ugly steel guardrails of some sort -- typical City and NCC.

All you have to do is look around at what they do for culverts; large metal guardrails to prevent people from dropping two feet down...
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I still don't understand why we're having this conversation. Literally every other overpass on the highway doesn't have fencing or whatever. Or overpasses over train tracks, or the edge of nepean point itself, or the larger bridges that pass over boat traffic. Only the couple of OC transpo pedestrian bridges are covered, and I think that's more for salt and ice spray/maintenance for pedestrian traffic because you can't easily run a sidewalk plow up there.

I think the reliable thing to keep people from throwing rocks is to just rely on the fact that most people don't throw rocks off of overpasses. And the few reportable times it's happened in the entire province over my lifetime can be counted on one hand. And also it's not like it's a highway, it's just a street below.

I'm mostly concerned that the steel detail the architects designed isn't feasible and it'll just be a straight box girder or a pretensioned concrete jobby.

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You don't need a bridge to throw rocks onto cars. Someone could easily just lob it over the side of the cliff while atop Nepean Point.

However, I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up with mile-high retainer walls or ugly steel guardrails of some sort -- typical City and NCC.

All you have to do is look around at what they do for culverts; large metal guardrails to prevent people from dropping two feet down...
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Latest revision of the plan:



Phase 1 implementation submission with some bridge drawings: https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/17.0-2020-P67-Nepean-Point1.pdf
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I like the bridge, but overall this plan is boring. It was one of my least favourite of all the proposals. Hopefully the NCC adds one of those outdoor bistros.
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Our Board has approved the final design for the remaining park elements of Nepean Point. Construction will begin in spring 2021.Deciduous tree

Work will include the foundation for the pedestrian bridge, the perimeter wall and the landscape feature.

Info: https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/nepean-point-redevelopment?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social | #ottnews

11:50 AM · Jan 21, 2021·Hootsuite Inc.
https://twitter.com/NCC_CCN/status/1352297421884321792

Presentation: https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/d...tion.pdf?mtime=20210121101557&focal=none

Submission: https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/d...sign.pdf?mtime=20210121101643&focal=none

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On the PDF for Spring 2021, it says "Start of construction works (bridge/ha-ha)"

Are they building the bridge? I thought it was a future project due to budget constraints (i.e. it may never happen like the Lansdowne ped bridge proposed to cross the canal). Or is the "ha-ha" meant to be a ?

But seriously, what's the "ha-ha"?
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On the PDF for Spring 2021, it says "Start of construction works (bridge/ha-ha)"

Are they building the bridge? I thought it was a future project due to budget constraints (i.e. it may never happen like the Lansdowne ped bridge proposed to cross the canal). Or is the "ha-ha" meant to be a ?

But seriously, what's the "ha-ha"?
There is something called the "ha-ha ditch" in the submission, so assuming that is it. I didn't see any details on what exactly a ha-ha ditch is.
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There is something called the "ha-ha ditch" in the submission, so assuming that is it. I didn't see any details on what exactly a ha-ha ditch is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha

"A ha-ha is a recessed landscape design element that creates a vertical barrier while preserving an uninterrupted view of the landscape beyond."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha

"A ha-ha is a recessed landscape design element that creates a vertical barrier while preserving an uninterrupted view of the landscape beyond."
^TIL. Thanks!

I wonder if this is the basis for the name of town on the Trans-Canada (Hwy 185) on the way to New Brunswick?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Louis-du-Ha!_Ha!
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2021, 6:13 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha

"A ha-ha is a recessed landscape design element that creates a vertical barrier while preserving an uninterrupted view of the landscape beyond."
Thanks!
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So a ha-ha is a retaining wall basically?

In the plans, they removed the amphitheater space facing the museum due to budgetary constraints. Otherwise, it seems pretty consistent with the original vision. Far few cuts than say, the winning Lansdowne Park "front yard" plan.

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Removed amphitheater:


http://www.eraarch.ca/2017/big-river-lan...-point-redevelopment-design-competition/

And what I suspect is the ha-ha, below the satue of Champlain. In this case, far more interesting than a simple retaining wall.


http://www.eraarch.ca/2017/big-river-lan...-point-redevelopment-design-competition/
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