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The trend has definitely been towards. NHL teams bringing their farm teams to the same city, especially with all the cap management they have to do. Players don’t even need a hotel when they go back and forth. The Marlies are doing fine - they aren’t moving anytime soon.

That said, I question whether Ottawa can support another team at that level, particularly given that the CTC isn’t particularly well-suited to AHL hockey. Calgary does it, but they are a bit of an outlier and help the Flames fill up dates in the main arena. The others are in bigger cities with purpose-built arenas and little competition from the OHL or the Q.

My guess is that they sell the CTC land: It’s more valuable as something else.
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Interview with Cyril Leeder on September 21. Discussion touches on upgrades to the CTC, what could be coming and balancing investing in the current building considering it won't the the home of the Ottawa Senators for much longer. Some investments could be reused in the new arena, such as the (I assume) airport type scanners.

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With the NLL playing in Kanata in front of the limited 7k crowd, the PWHL looking for a new home, and an NHL rink being a bit too large, and the City replacing the nearly 10k Civic Centre with a smaller arena, I wonder if there's an opportunity for the Sens to renovate the Palladium into a 10k arena once the Sens move to LeBreton.

There's a lot of talk (from the City, the Mayor and Hubley in particular) about how Kanata will lose its soul. Keeping the arena as a sports venue for smaller leagues and building up the parking lots into a "Lansdowne 3.0", if you will, might be the way to go. Maybe they could use the extra space for community sports/community centre.

The Sens ownership could also consider moving the AHL team to Kanata. That seems fairly common in the NHL.
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With the NLL playing in Kanata in front of the limited 7k crowd, the PWHL looking for a new home, and an NHL rink being a bit too large, and the City replacing the nearly 10k Civic Centre with a smaller arena, I wonder if there's an opportunity for the Sens to renovate the Palladium into a 10k arena once the Sens move to LeBreton.

There's a lot of talk (from the City, the Mayor and Hubley in particular) about how Kanata will lose its soul. Keeping the arena as a sports venue for smaller leagues and building up the parking lots into a "Lansdowne 3.0", if you will, might be the way to go. Maybe they could use the extra space for community sports/community centre.

The Sens ownership could also consider moving the AHL team to Kanata. That seems fairly common in the NHL.
It would certainly be the most efficient way to deal with the CTC, but I doubt it happens, as it would be a financial gamble and would bring in far less revenue than selling the land for development.

The only way that the Sens ownership would consider creating an arena in that size range would be if they did move their AHL team to Kanata. No way it would make economic sense for the PWHL or lacrosse, and it would compete (poorly) with the other two arenas for concerts. Standing in the way of an AHL move is the fact that the Sens already have an AHL team in reasonably close proximity, and have put quite a bit of money into renovating their arena.

But the bigger issue is market size. The only Canadian cities that have built 10,000 seat AHL arenas are Montreal and Toronto, both with multiple times the population base of Kanata-Ottawa, and both with a much less saturated hockey landscape. Unlike either of those cities, Ottawa-Gatineau already has two CHL teams sharing the market, which makes a move for an AHL team more dubious.

On the other hand, Belleville attendance hasn't been stellar, so that could be a factor precipitating a move. But even if they did opt to move the AHL team to Kanata, I don't think they would be looking at a 10,000 seat arena. Average AHL attendance is more in the 5-6000 range, and there is no reason to believe that a Kanata team would fare better than that. Heck, they'd be better off selling the CTC and moving the AHL team to Lansdowne if they were inclined to bring it here.
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It would certainly be the most efficient way to deal with the CTC, but I doubt it happens, as it would be a financial gamble and would bring in far less revenue than selling the land for development.

The only way that the Sens ownership would consider creating an arena in that size range would be if they did move their AHL team to Kanata. No way it would make economic sense for the PWHL or lacrosse, and it would compete (poorly) with the other two arenas for concerts. Standing in the way of an AHL move is the fact that the Sens already have an AHL team in reasonably close proximity, and have put quite a bit of money into renovating their arena.

But the bigger issue is market size. The only Canadian cities that have built 10,000 seat AHL arenas are Montreal and Toronto, both with multiple times the population base of Kanata-Ottawa, and both with a much less saturated hockey landscape. Unlike either of those cities, Ottawa-Gatineau already has two CHL teams sharing the market, which makes a move for an AHL team more dubious.

On the other hand, Belleville attendance hasn't been stellar, so that could be a factor precipitating a move. But even if they did opt to move the AHL team to Kanata, I don't think they would be looking at a 10,000 seat arena. Average AHL attendance is more in the 5-6000 range, and there is no reason to believe that a Kanata team would fare better than that. Heck, they'd be better off selling the CTC and moving the AHL team to Lansdowne if they were inclined to bring it here.
They could potentially renovate the Palladium down to 10k seats, zone the parking and sell the land for the increased value due to new zoning, only keeping 5 to 10 acres by the arena.

I agree, this plan wouldn't be doable without the AHL team, and the current location is pretty good as compared to Binghampton prior to their move to Belleville. And Andlauer recently confirmed his commitment to Belleville for the foreseeable future.

Did the Sens invest in the Belleville arena?

Vancouver might be a good comparison when looking at a city with multiple big competing arenas; since 1996 (when they weren't much bigger than Ottawa today), they've had two NHL sized rinks. Considering how many teams play at Lansdowne and the Palladium, an AHL could tip the scales in favour of having three 5k+ arenas, but chances of the AHL move to Kanata are slim.
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If the surrounding parking were to be developed with thousand of new housing units, I feel like the CTC could undertake a transformation similar to what the Montreal Forum underwent. Theatre, bowling alley, restaurants, shops, arcade, co-working space, art studio, dance studio, gym, all surrounded by a new dense community.
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They could potentially renovate the Palladium down to 10k seats, zone the parking and sell the land for the increased value due to new zoning, only keeping 5 to 10 acres by the arena.

I agree, this plan wouldn't be doable without the AHL team, and the current location is pretty good as compared to Binghampton prior to their move to Belleville. And Andlauer recently confirmed his commitment to Belleville for the foreseeable future.

Did the Sens invest in the Belleville arena?

Vancouver might be a good comparison when looking at a city with multiple big competing arenas; since 1996 (when they weren't much bigger than Ottawa today), they've had two NHL sized rinks. Considering how many teams play at Lansdowne and the Palladium, an AHL could tip the scales in favour of having three 5k+ arenas, but chances of the AHL move to Kanata are slim.
You might be right about Belleville. The city made most of the investment when the Sens agreed to a multi-year lease. I seem to recall a video showing all of the money the Sens put into the team facilities, but that might have been the extent of it.

Point taken on Vancouver, but the key difference there was the Olympics. If they hadn't had the Olympics, the Pacific Coliseum never would have been upgraded and would have continued to sit underused and decaying. Maybe we need to bid for the Olympics.

I still think the AHL in Kanata is at max a 6-7000 seat arena, not 10,000. Does Ottawa really need two of those, plus Slush Puppie?
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If the surrounding parking were to be developed with thousand of new housing units, I feel like the CTC could undertake a transformation similar to what the Montreal Forum underwent. Theatre, bowling alley, restaurants, shops, arcade, co-working space, art studio, dance studio, gym, all surrounded by a new dense community.
Honestly I'd prefer this or an indoor waterpark to a down sized secondary arena. With Cornwall getting an indoor waterpark, that might eb out the window.

I just hope they can reuse the building for an actual destination, with the parking fully redeveloped.
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If the surrounding parking were to be developed with thousand of new housing units, I feel like the CTC could undertake a transformation similar to what the Montreal Forum underwent. Theatre, bowling alley, restaurants, shops, arcade, co-working space, art studio, dance studio, gym, all surrounded by a new dense community.
That's certainly a possibility. At this point I suppose that everything is on the table.

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Honestly I'd prefer this or an indoor waterpark to a down sized secondary arena. With Cornwall getting an indoor waterpark, that might eb out the window.

I just hope they can reuse the building for an actual destination, with the parking fully redeveloped.
My vision has always been an indoor waterpark, but yeah, Cornwall's pending Great Wolf Lodge + Mōrea Parc Aquatique in Mirabel kind of tanks that idea.
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I suggested on here last year or longer ago that I thought the AHL team could move to CTC given how small and old the Belleville arena. Also given that CTC is owned and paid for and has a ton of land. And that Kanata is a decent size AHL market on it's own. It's not like they have a long term lease in Belleville either. I think it makes more sense to have your top minor leaguers nearby as well. I mean, maybe someone comes and writes the Sens a check and takes the whole property off their hands at a handsome price too, and hopefully they do something cool with it as well. I don't think the building stays if they don't put the AHL there though. I don't think the location is very conducive to a Forum or MLG type repurposing
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Apparently Ottawa was considered as a relocation spot for the Colorado Rockies. They ended up becoming the New Jersey Devils.

The one thing Cyril would change is making the lower bowl bigger. He says they have 5k seats in the lower bowl (I assume it was more initially since they replaced some seats with more premium seats over the last decade), and 9k in the middle.

Leeder says that Palladium was a name of a venue in the UK and Bruce Firestone wanted to give the place a name. They did look for an official naming rights deal but couldn't until a month or so after opening when Corel called them up. Leeder wouldn't have given it a name in hindsight, but honestly, even after all these years, the name still stuck (though the street and businesses around probably helped).

Most of the conversation is about the Palladium, how it came to be.

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Guess where the Palladium lands on this list.

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Ranking all 32 NHL teams’ home rinks, from Montreal to MSG and more

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Apparently Ottawa was considered as a relocation spot for the Colorado Rockies. They ended up becoming the New Jersey Devils.

The one thing Cyril would change is making the lower bowl bigger. He says they have 5k seats in the lower bowl (I assume it was more initially since they replaced some seats with more premium seats over the last decade), and 9k in the middle.

Leeder says that Palladium was a name of a venue in the UK and Bruce Firestone wanted to give the place a name. They did look for an official naming rights deal but couldn't until a month or so after opening when Corel called them up. Leeder wouldn't have given it a name in hindsight, but honestly, even after all these years, the name still stuck (though the street and businesses around probably helped).

Most of the conversation is about the Palladium, how it came to be.
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On January 12, 1982, Nepean Mayor Ben Franklin proposed to Nepean's City Council that the arena at the Nepean Sportsplex be enlarged from 3,000 to 15,000 seats to pave the way for the relocation of the NHL’s struggling Colorado Rockies to Nepean.
Mayor Franklin declared the odds "better than 50%” that Nepean would be home to its own NHL franchise by the end of 1981-82 hockey season.
The following day, Franklin flew to Toronto and met with Rockies owner Peter Gilber, who indicated to Franklin his willingness to consider helping finance the expansion of the Nepean Sportsplex arena.
In the end, the Rockies did leave Colorado at the end of the season, but chose to relocate to New Jersey instead, renaming themselves the Devils.
I remember making sketches of possible arena expansions instead of paying attention in class

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I had no idea of the Nepean proposal before all this. Thanks for sharing that extra tidbit. Very interesting.

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When was that? The arena was called Corel and the bowl was WordPerfect?
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CTC at 30: Senators honour three decades of moments, milestones and memories
The Ottawa Senators are celebrating 30 years at their home arena, the Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata.

Author of the article:By Bruce Garrioch
Published Jan 16, 2026


The Canadian Tire Centre isn’t a house, it’s a home.

The 20,000-seat building in Kanata isn’t just an arena, it’s a destination where people have had the chance to gather over the years to witness historic moments, watch special acts and build memories that will last a lifetime.

What was once a field of dreams for founders Bruce Firestone, Cyril Leeder and Randy Sexton when they were trying to get a National Hockey League expansion franchise for the city has become a reality.

Life happens quickly and passes in a flash.

That’s why, as the Senators prepare to spend the weekend celebrating 30 years at the Canadian Tire Centre, Leeder — the club’s president and chief executive officer — wants everybody involved to enjoy the occasion.

It will start with a visit by Canadian crooner Michael Buble on Friday, a game against the Montreal Canadiens on Saturday and will wrap up with the American Hockey League’s Belleville Senators facing the Utica Comets on Sunday at 5 p.m.

The club will have a special surprise guest to drop the puck for the ceremonial faceoff on Saturday.

“We don’t really have the time, or take the time to smell the roses and celebrate the small wins and the victories along the way,” Leeder told Postmedia in an interview. “Really, you should, but life gets in the way because there’s another game or another mountain to climb the next day.

“When you do get a chance to celebrate, I’ve been telling everybody, take part, and enjoy it. We’re not going to do another one of these unless we’re here another 20 years and I doubt that, so when you get the opportunity to celebrate some success and history, we should do that.”

A long road

If you’re old enough to remember the opening of the Palladium, then you might recall the mountainous hurdles it took to make it a reality.

Some of the original ads in the Ottawa Citizen and Ottawa Sun about the rink called it: “The House That Faith Built”.

There were times when Leeder wondered if the dream would ever be a reality. The Senators held a groundbreaking on the site in 1992 and then it took 18 months to get the financing in place to not only build the arena, but also to pay for an accompanying exit on Highway 417.

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Premier Bob Rae and the NDP government refused to pay for highway access to the rink.

“We were borrowing money to pay for the arena and that just added to the debt,” Leeder said.

Owner Rod Bryden, who purchased the franchise from Bruce Firestone at the end of the inaugural season, didn’t anticipate the costs would balloon to nearly $200 million because of the highway interchange and that threw a wrench into lining up stakeholders.

“Rod was the eternal optimist,” Leeder said. “He thought that once he thought of a solution, it was already done. It took a while to figure this out. But we got it done and we got the place built.”

Getting this project completed was paramount to the future of the franchise in Ottawa. When the Senators were awarded an expansion franchise on Dec. 6, 1990, one of the requirements was to build an 18,000-seat arena that could house a National Hockey League team.

The Senators couldn’t afford to play in the 9,800-seat Civic Centre forever.

“We had to build the building because the franchise was conditional on moving out of the Civic Centre,” Leeder recalled. “We said it would take two years, but it took three-and-a-half, and it was an important part of the granting of the franchise.”

A palace in Kanata

The best ideas are often duplicated.

New Senators owner Michael Andlauer likes to use the phrase that you rip off and duplicate. That’s pretty much what went into the design of the Canadian Tire Centre when it came down to making the final plans.

Firestone, Sexton — the club’s former president and general manager — and Leeder visited several buildings around the NHL and the National Basketball Association.



Leeder noted they had visited several locations, but when they walked into the Palace at Auburn Hills, which then housed the NBA’s Detroit Pistons, the Senators knew they had found their design plan.

“The second-last building we saw was the Palace,” Leeder said. “We really hadn’t found one we wanted to be like until we walked into the Palace. I remember walking into the Palace with Randy Sexton, it would have been around 1988, and we walked out on to centre court from the loading dock.

“We looked up and we thought: ‘Oh my god, this is an arena.’ It had theatre-style seats, it had suites down low and it was really modern. The signage was fantastic, it looked more like a theatre than a hockey arena.”

The Senators worked with Detroit-based architects Matt Rosetti and his dad, Gino, on the design of the Palladium.

“What’s great about this building is the sightlines and the seating,” Leeder said. “We built in a field, so we had no real constraints. If you’re building in downtown Toronto or Montreal, they had to tell the architects what their priorities are, put them in, and then make everything else fit.

“We were a little bit different. We wanted every seat to be a minimum of 19 inches wide. We wanted the upper bowl to hang over the 200 level. That pushes the last row of the seating about 20 feet forward. We sat in the row in every building with Matt and asked if this was acceptable.”

Turning back the clock

The Senators wanted to make sure they marked this occasion the right way.

The rink, which was then called The Palladium, opened its doors with a concert by Canadian rocker Bryan Adams on Jan. 15, 1996, and two days later, on Jan. 17, the Senators hosted the Habs in the first home game.

The Senators were hopeful they could have Adams, who spent part of his youth in Ottawa and attended Colonel By High School, back as part of the celebration, but he’s in the middle of a tour and was here in October.

“We asked Bryan about coming back, but couldn’t get it to fit into the January window,” Leeder said. “We wanted a Canadian, and the good news is that Michael Buble isn’t touring, but he agreed to do a special show for this anniversary and we’re just about sold out.

“He’s a hockey fan, yes. Unfortunately, he’s a Vancouver Canucks’ fan.”

That’s OK, the Senators got the better of the Canucks with a 2-1 win at home on Tuesday night. The visit by the Habs is appropriate because they’ve become one of Ottawa’s biggest rivals over the years.

The Senators dropped a 3-0 decision to Montreal in the opener, with Andrei Kovalenko scoring the first goal in the history of the building in the second period.

Naturally, this time, the Senators are hoping for a better result, with the club trying to return to the playoffs.



FIRSTS AT THE CTC
OTTAWA GOAL: Steve Duchesne from Alexei Yashin and Daniel Alfredsson in the first period on Jan. 22 in a 7-3 loss to the Chicago Blackhawks.

OTTAWA WIN: The Senators scored a 4-2 victory over the St. Louis Blues on Jan. 29. That was coach Jacques Martin’s fourth game behind the bench after taking over from Dave Allison on Jan. 24.

PLAYOFF GAME: On April 29, 1997, the Senators hosted the Buffalo Sabres in Round 1. The late Sergei Zholtok scored the first playoff goal in franchise history in the building. The Senators dropped a 3-2 decision to allow the Sabres to take a 2-1 series lead. Buffalo went on to win in Game 7.

MEMORABLE MOMENTS

ON TO THE PLAYOFFS: Steve Duchesne broke a scoreless tie with a shot from the point at 15:59 of the third period on April 12, 1997, against the Buffalo Sabres to secure the club’s first trip to the post-season.

ALFIE’S 400TH CAREER GOAL: Daniel Alfredsson had a lot of signature moments in his career, but he also had a flair for the dramatic. He scored No. 400 on a one-timer on Dec. 30, 2011, in a 4-3 overtime victory over the Calgary Flames. That capped Ottawa’s comeback from a 3-0 first-period deficit, and Erik Karlsson set Alfredsson up for the winner.

2007 STANLEY CUP FINAL GAME 3: Down 2-0 to the Anaheim Ducks in the final, the Senators were welcomed by a raucous, packed house at home for Game 3. The Senators skated to a 5-3 victory over the Ducks in the club’s only victory in the series. Chris Neil scored the first goal in Stanley Cup final history in the building for the Senators. Anton Volchenkov, Dean McAammond, Mike Fisher and Alfredsson also chipped in with goals. The late Ray Emery made 19 stops on June 2, 2007.

2003 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL GAME 3: This memory might be for all the wrong reasons, but it’s difficult to forget. After forcing Game 7 with one of the biggest goals in Chris Phillips’ career in New Jersey in Game 6, the table was set for the Senators to book a ticket to the Stanley Cup final. After Radek Bonk had tied it up 2-2 early in the third, New Jersey’s Jeff Friesen broke the hearts of a team and the city by beating Patrick Lalime with only 2:14 left in the game to secure a 3-2 victory for the Devils.

THE LAST WORDS

Thirty years ago, the Senators buried a time capsule in the lobby of the rink and the plan is to unearth it in the coming days to see what’s in it.

Leeder said he found some pictures of the capsule, which is made of stainless steel, at his home. He believes he put in a bottle of Palladium dirt from the official groundbreaking and there might even be a copy of the Ottawa Sun from the day as well.

“We put the capsule down, and we sealed it up,” Leeder said.

Thirty years later, it will be interesting to take a look back and celebrate a milestone moment.

But you would be remiss if you didn’t mention the fact that Kanata has become exactly what Firestone envisioned.

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Few thoughts; the Pageau chants should be in those memorable moments. Also, maybe we can fool Doug into contributing for the new arena by saying it's a refund for the Palladium ramps; Doug loves his car infra and would be appalled hearing the big bad NDP made the Sens pay for it.
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The one thing Cyril would change is making the lower bowl bigger. He says they have 5k seats in the lower bowl (I assume it was more initially since they replaced some seats with more premium seats over the last decade), and 9k in the middle.
That's not correct. The middle bowl has around 5k seats. 28 sections x 6 rows x ~30 seats.
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I had no idea of the Nepean proposal before all this. Thanks for sharing that extra tidbit. Very interesting.



When was that? The arena was called Corel and the bowl was WordPerfect?
Yeah, when smaller acts came in they would black cloth the upper part and it was 'sold' as the Wordperfect Theatre.

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The “WordPerfect Theatre” debuted in September of 1998. The Corel Centre and Corel Corporation partnered to bring a new mid-range venue to the Corel Centre for concerts, family shows and corporate functions requiring a more intimate, theatre seating for 2,500 – 5,000 persons. The new format includes a completely automated, retractable curtain system that divides the arena in half, eliminating the 300 level seating. Carpeted aisles for floor seating and new Theatre specific signage and décor add tot he Theatre-like experience
My inability to find a photo or video is upsetting, it must be out there somewhere lol.

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