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bigdogc · #81 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 3:17 PM**

Can anyone show what land this will take up projected onto google maps?

Is the project going from cesar chavez to willow st, or cesar chavez up to those condos at 80 red river?

GoldenBoot · #82 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 5:10 PM**

The design of this prospective project seems to be getting worse...and shorter. Sutton & Company was so ambitious with their initial announcement...now, they've pulled way back. As I mentioned before, S&C has never developed such a project, and I believe they now recognize that they are neither all that ambitious nor have what it takes to build such a project. Who knows?!?

lzppjb · #83 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by bigdogc

Can anyone show what land this will take up projected onto google maps?

Is the project going from cesar chavez to willow st, or cesar chavez up to those condos at 80 red river?

zedaref · #84 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by bigdogc

Can anyone show what land this will take up projected onto google maps?

migol24 · #85 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 8:57 PM**

That location has had that sign up for AGES! Has that project been part of the Waller Creek Tunnel all along?

Spaceman · #86 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

The design of this prospective project seems to be getting worse...and shorter. Sutton & Company was so ambitious with their initial announcement...now, they've pulled way back. As I mentioned before, S&C has never developed such a project, and I believe they now recognize that they are neither all that ambitious nor have what it takes to build such a project. Who knows?!?

S&C, the new Tom Stacy in town. These guys have been blowing smoke up Austin's ass for at least two years.

austlar1 · #87 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 10:31 PM**

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S&C, the new Tom Stacy in town. These guys have been blowing smoke up Austin's ass for at least two years.

Maybe, but Stacey never went to the expense of developing such elaborate renderings and site plans.

migol24 · #88 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 10:55 PM**

Well like any other project... you get excited. You hope for the best. Nothing is a sure thing. I'm personally not digging the new designs as much as the last. God, what is wrong with me being all picky all of a sudden?

the Genral · #89 Posted **Sep 16, 2013, 11:54 PM**

The only thing I don't like about the new renderings is that they might change. I'm really digging this as is.

MichaelB · #90 Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 5:02 AM**

If this project is for real, it Feels like there is a liitle bit of "searching" going on to find a general aesthetic that the developers like. That, in and of itself is interesting. I tending to believe they "intend" on going forward because of all the re-investment in desing. There is a lot of effort. I say "intend" because I keep hearing from so many people how "inexperieced" they are...and all these shifts may be indicitive of that. All speculation on my part.
Personally I like parts of design 2 and 3. I love the base that has all the cool angles in 2, but the towers didn't do that much for me. And on design 3 I really like the tower on the lake side that feels like three large blocks..... but the bases are a "new modern generic" at this point. I would be happy to see either design built. Seems like this could shift again if it is actually going to happen. Will be fun to see!

KevinFromTexas · #91 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 2:01 AM**

I'm just not crazy about it. As BevoLJ said, it feels like an office park in some ways since it's cut off from everything else. Besides that, the designs just aren't doing it for me. They look dated already. The tallest tower to me looks like a combination of the Shoreline Plaza towers in Corpus Christi. I actually love those buildings, but they offer horrible street interaction. It also reminds me of Fort Worth's twin towers.

austlar1 · #92 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 2:48 AM**

The problem is that the site itself only offers street access on two sides. If a single development is built there, it would have to to be semi-self contained and apart from most street activity. Hopefully there will be lots of action down at creekside once that project is completed. This would help bring life into the complex and make it feel more integrated with the fabric of downtown.

lzppjb · #93 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 12:06 PM**

I like their interaction with the creek. I'm ok with the layout of the property. But the designs just aren't doing anything for me.

KevinFromTexas · #94 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 9:09 PM**

I understand that because of the layout of the site that not every building can front the street. I'm more just hoping that because one of their buildings doesn't face a a street and the other two have one or more sides that do not, I'm just hoping they don't carry on with that theme to the sides that do face the street. And really, even for the sides that don't face the street, I'm hoping they still include a lot of retail. That little circle driveway thing bugs me. I'd rather that space be used as an urban plaza with retail uses bordering it.

GoldenBoot · #95 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spaceman

S&C, the new Tom Stacy in town. These guys have been blowing smoke up Austin's ass for at least two years.

I don't know how old you are; but, these guys have been doing this for at least the last decade or two.

GoldenBoot · #96 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 9:28 PM**

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Maybe, but Stacey never went to the expense of developing such elaborate renderings and site plans.

He did...it just never made it around publicly. He had some intricate plans developed for his zoning change request back in 2005/2006.

GoldenBoot · #97 Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 9:30 PM**

Regarding layout...why build two buildings instead of three? They could be taller and have more street presence...simply speaking.

jngreenlee · #98 Posted **Nov 13, 2013, 6:01 PM**

What's going on with this one? Any updates?

The ATX · #99 Posted **Nov 14, 2013, 7:31 PM**

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What's going on with this one? Any updates?

Permit requests are being filed. Here's one of them:

https://www.austintexas.gov/devrevie...erRSN=11048802

bigdogc · #**100** Posted **Nov 14, 2013, 8:05 PM**

From above link:
"April 2014...Removal of all sidewalk along Cesar Chavez and replacing with Great street. "