The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 489

SkahHigh · #**9761** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doady

A Sheppard subway extension to Spadina would provide some relief for Yonge also.

Likewise, Eglinton Crosstown LRT will mean Eglinton riders no longer dumped at Yonge.

With Pape-Don Mills subway, extended Spadina subway, united east/west corridors, maybe Yonge Express Subway wouldn't be needed anytime soon.

I don't know why they never tried to extend the Sheppard subway and make it more useful. Maybe the trauma of it being a white elephant of some sort, but they should really try fixing that in the future.

WhipperSnapper · #**9762** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 6:04 PM**

I don't know either. I can assume it's the valleys they would need to cross at both ends of the line.

Mister F · #**9763** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The reality is that they could build multiple lines in various U shapes to ease congestion, but unfortunately, Yonge is the street a lot of those other suburbs are built around.

What is needed is a new line running down Yonge that is an express line.

As much as I like New York's express subways, that's not what's needed in Toronto. Rebuilding Line 1 to give it a local-express setup would be enormously expensive and disruptive. It would probably shut down the entire line along Yonge while it's under construction and cost as much as an entirely new line. Plus it wouldn't expand the reach of the RT system, it wouldn't relieve Line 2 or any of the streetcars, and it wouldn't address the transfer at Bloor-Yonge or the problem of too many riders concentrated on one line.

The Toronto subway's fundamental flaw is that the first east-west line was built too far north (as were the second and third, but I digress), which forces anyone going to the heart of downtown to transfer onto Line 1. This has been a problem since almost day one and only a new line can fix it. RER will help but not enough. That's why the DRL is so badly needed. Ridership projections show that the DRL will divert so many riders away from Lines 1 and 2 that when it's fully built the ridership on the three lines will be roughly equal. It really is that transformative and should have been built decades ago.

swimmer_spe · #**9764** Posted **Aug 31, 2017, 9:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I agree. A huge benefit to the system would be to twin large sections if not the entirety of the Yonge line. This would also allow for 24 hour service.

Vaughan City Centre is just a little to far west for people in the Yonge/Bathurst corridor to travel "backwards". I can't see the numbers using the Yonge subway from Brampton, Concord or Woodbridge being all that significant. I'd love to see the figures if anyone has them. Most will pay a little extra and use the GO. The Barrie line is right beside Vaughan City Centre. The Vaughan subway will lose out if a station ever opens by VCC on that line.

You mean a station in the second largest train yard in Canada?

p_xavier · #**9765** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 12:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mister F

As much as I like New York's express subways, that's not what's needed in Toronto. Rebuilding Line 1 to give it a local-express setup would be enormously expensive and disruptive. It would probably shut down the entire line along Yonge while it's under construction and cost as much as an entirely new line. Plus it wouldn't expand the reach of the RT system, it wouldn't relieve Line 2 or any of the streetcars, and it wouldn't address the transfer at Bloor-Yonge or the problem of too many riders concentrated on one line.

The Toronto subway's fundamental flaw is that the first east-west line was built too far north (as were the second and third, but I digress), which forces anyone going to the heart of downtown to transfer onto Line 1. This has been a problem since almost day one and only a new line can fix it. RER will help but not enough. That's why the DRL is so badly needed. Ridership projections show that the DRL will divert so many riders away from Lines 1 and 2 that when it's fully built the ridership on the three lines will be roughly equal. It really is that transformative and should have been built decades ago.

RER IS what is needed for Yonge. Just like Paris, Metrolinx could have a second line next to the actual Yonge line with 5 times less stops. It's not about an express stop or doubling the Subway, but a different line/system altogether.

Paris RERA is one of the busiest line in the world and they did that by doubling what is their line 1.

The DRL is also needed but does not resolve the issue of long travel times.

Mister F · #**9766** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

RER IS what is needed for Yonge. Just like Paris, Metrolinx could have a second line next to the actual Yonge line with 5 times less stops. It's not about an express stop or doubling the Subway, but a different line/system altogether.

Paris RERA is one of the busiest line in the world and they did that by doubling what is their line 1.

The DRL is also needed but does not resolve the issue of long travel times.

No conventional subway can or should resolve the issue of long travel times. The nature of that type of transit line is that it's best for a highly dense urban context and relatively short trips. RER is more suited for longer trips to the outer suburbs and can also serve the areas where stations are located in the central city.

RER will massively upgrade service to the suburbs and areas of central Toronto that have no subway, including areas where even the DRL won't reach. But it won't effectively relieve Line 1. The DRL will relieve Lines 1 and 2 and will expand the subway to the east and west downtown areas and the Pape/Don Mills corridor, but it won't do much for longer trips.

The DRL and RER are both needed and would collectively address the worst problems with Toronto transit much more effectively than a new line alongside the existing Yonge line.

WhipperSnapper · #**9767** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

You mean a station in the second largest train yard in Canada?

I did say the Barrie Line. It's just to the east of Bowes and HWY 7.

osmo · #**9768** Posted **Sep 8, 2017, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh

I don't know why they never tried to extend the Sheppard subway and make it more useful. Maybe the trauma of it being a white elephant of some sort, but they should really try fixing that in the future.

The TTC has stated this as a requirement for quite some time for service, and technical reasons as linking Sheppard with Wilson Yards would be a significant improvement to service of the overall system.

J.OT13 · #**9769** Posted **Sep 10, 2017, 12:12 PM**

Confederation Line Update.

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Blair Station photo tweeted by the mayor today

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/903317756296261632

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Originally Posted by rocketphish

More great photos by Chuck Clark:

Sept 2, 2017
by southfacing (Chuck Clark) on Flickr

J.OT13 · #**9770** Posted **Sep 19, 2017, 3:36 PM**

Confederation Line west tunnel portal.

From OC's twitter;

SkahHigh · #**9771** Posted **Sep 19, 2017, 3:51 PM**

The stations are shaping up nicely!

Hybrid247 · #**9772** Posted **Sep 19, 2017, 7:37 PM**

Another aerial of Campus station

https://twitter.com/MathieuFleury/status/909056069883842562

caltrane74 · #**9773** Posted **Sep 22, 2017, 11:06 PM**

Toronto streetcars now on the pantographs

Vantage · #**9774** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 1:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Toronto streetcars now on the pantographs

Sorry for being ignorant as I don't live in Toronto, but how did they receive power before?

matt602 · #**9775** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 1:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vantage

Sorry for being ignorant as I don't live in Toronto, but how did they receive power before?

TTC streetcars have always used a trolley pole.

caltrane74 · #**9776** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 3:00 AM**

They have used trolley pole since they switched over from horse drawn.

Ancient technology indeed.

J.OT13 · #**9777** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 3:46 PM**

Did they have to change the entire wiring for the streetcar system?

Here's an article comparing the two;

http://lrt.daxack.ca/Overhead/

GreaterMontréal · #**9778** Posted **Sep 26, 2017, 8:29 PM**

Montreal startup Transit raises US$5 million in venture capital

http://montrealgazette.com/business/loca...it-raises-us5-million-in-venture-capital

TorontoDrew · #**9779** Posted **Sep 26, 2017, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Montreal startup Transit raises US$5 million in venture capital

http://montrealgazette.com/business/loca...it-raises-us5-million-in-venture-capital

Nice job!

Nouvellecosse · #**9780** Posted **Sep 26, 2017, 11:08 PM**

Ive actually been using "Transit" for a couple years now and it tends to do a pretty good job. I love being able to see things combined such as bus and bixi bike share, and even the number of bikes at a given dock.