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Old Posted Jul 4, 2017, 6:21 PM
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God you are so dramatic. I take it that you've never been to Winnipeg?

And as to Berklon's comments, they are, to be perfectly frank, too stupid for words. Unless you believe that the NFL's popularity in the US is because there's nothing else to do down there.
Yeah I've been to the Peg but not the new stadium. Maybe things have changed there but I sure didn't feel the passion for the CFL like in Regina. How is that being over dramatic???
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2017, 9:35 PM
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I love how he makes up a BS story in attempt to insult an entire province when he lives in Hamilton. Might as well be another prairie city. "theirs nothing else to do in Saskatchewan" choice words, You're full of shit
Yes, because you don't like what you hear - it automatically makes it a BS story. That's a great way to deal with things. I've read many of your posts - and if there's anyone who's full of shit in this forum - it's you. You can go F yourself and put me on ignore - it's a lovely option available on this forum for people who can't deal with the truth.

Anyways, back to the topic of stadiums...
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2017, 12:35 AM
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I traveled from ontario and visited IGF from in 2013;

Game day, there are car flags and t-shirts visible throughout the day all over the city.
Lots to do in winnipeg as a tourist: visit the forks and the market there, river boat cruise, really nice zoo, IGF, goldeneye baseball with a neat Indian cuisine restaurant overlooking the field, Winnie the pooh park of some sort, winnipeg jets game if it's that season, new human rights museum...etc
     
     
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Here is the link to the June 2017 update regarding ongoing progress of the construction of the events centre in downtown Moncton, home of the Wildcats of the QMJHL and the Magic of the NBL (Canada).

http://www.moncton.ca/Assets/Business+En..._ENG/dtcconstructionupdate+-+jun2017.pdf

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Old Posted Jul 8, 2017, 8:44 PM
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^^^ The Moncton Events Centre is coming along. Will they be installing seats soon?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2017, 6:37 PM
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With the lack of amenities and room for expansion at Molson stadium and all of the new and renovated stadiums in the CFL for revenue generation, I wonder if at some point in the next 10 years the Alouettes consider moving to Stade Saputo and help fund a renovation to make it similar to BMO for the CFL?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2017, 6:41 PM
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With the lack of amenities and room for expansion at Molson stadium and all of the new and renovated stadiums in the CFL for revenue generation, I wonder if at some point in the next 10 years the Alouettes consider moving to Stade Saputo and help fund a renovation to make it similar to BMO for the CFL?
Won't happen, you would have to remove seats and make them retractable somehow and then deal with the whole grass / turf endzone issue
Stade Saputo was built pretty bare bones and I think the Als like having a stadium in the DT area. I think the capacity is good for them, just need to get rid of the bench seating and make club seats, etc. which make more $$ per fan. Might reduce the capacity by 800-1000 but I think that would be okay if it meant more revenue.
     
     
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Is all the seating at Molson bench style ? Even the new deck they added a few years ago ?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2017, 10:13 PM
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The Molson location is far superior but I think it needs serious renos similar to TD in Ottawa. Tear down and rebuild the big grandstand with more and better suites and create a endzone fan zone similar to Ottawa and Hamilton. I bet the Impact would actually prefer moving downtown to Molson if both the Als and Impact teamed up on a major reno for Molson.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2017, 10:22 PM
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Most (not all) of the stadium is bench seating. I have to wonder if (like Ivor Wynne) they are unable to install separate seating because of the angle of the stands. That "problem" got Hamilton a new, albeit smaller stadium.

IIRC Molson is a pretty tight footprint and they had some issues with people not wanting them to cut down trees.

Here is how Hamilton got a new (not refurbished) stadium.

Hamilton getting new stadium – north stands being demolished
Joey Coleman August/2011 with files from Nicole MacIntyre thespec.com

Hamilton’s getting an entirely new football stadium.

In a report provided to Council by email late this afternoon, the City Manager’s office informed Council that:

In the Spring of 2011 staff learned that the grade on the upper tier of the North Stands is such that it cannot accommodate seats with backs. To be able to renovate to include seats with backs in the upper tier would require a complete rebuild of this section. Following this information, Infrastructure Ontario undertook an exercise to provide a cost estimate for three North Stand options. These options were: 1) a renovation to meet current Building Code; 2) a renovation to meet current Building Code plus accommodating seats with backs on the upper tier; and 3) a new North Stands.

The three options listed above were discussed at a meeting in June 2011 with senior staff from Infrastructure Ontario, Toronto 2015, the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and the City, and a decision was made to pursue Opt!on 3 (a new North Stands).

Given the direction to build a new North Stands, Infrastructure Ontario has modified the Request for Proposal (RFP) language to reflect construction of a brand new 22,500 seat stadium. The project is still expected to meet its $155-million budget.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2017, 10:35 PM
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Some good new build vs reno info here - elly

Mitchell answers questions
Steve Milton Sep 01 2011 theSpec.com

At first blush, it all seems counterintuitive.

How can building new stands on the north side of Ivor Wynne Stadium not cost more than renovating the current ones?

And how can the significantly reduced seating capacity — from the original 25,000 seats to a reported 22,500 — not negatively impact the Hamilton Tiger-Cats’ bottom line?

Those were among the nagging questions after it was revealed last week that plans for the Pan Am Stadium on the current site of Ivor Wynne now call for the entire north stands to be torn down and rebuilt, instead of being refurbished atop the current infrastructure.

“This is absolutely and positively the most cost-efficient and responsible decision,” Ticat president Scott Mitchell answered Wednesday. “This isn’t a good thing, it’s a great thing.”

By agreeing to the reduced seat inventory, the Ticats made a major concession to Infrastructure Ontario to keep construction costs at the original estimate.

And, Mitchell says, potential builders will welcome the idea of constructing the north stands from the ground up, rather than trying to work around existing flaws, many of which are major.

“That’s 100 per cent accurate,” Mitchell said. “This creates cost certainty in the construction phase. You never know what you’re going to find out when you renovate. It might have involved all kinds of (capital) expense that wasn’t anticipated. And this prohibits the city from potentially having to spend tens of millions of dollars in maintenance of the north stands in the next few years.”

Additionally, having renovated north stands with uncomfortable bench seating and the same washroom and concession facilities as in the past would have meant that the Cats, and the city, were going to operate, in effect, two different facilities.

“What was clearly emerging was a have-versus-have-not scenario on the two sides of the stadium,” he said. “And that’s not conducive to effective cost management or a good in-stadium experience.”

The Tiger-Cats need to derive $10 million per year, or roughly $1 million per game, from ticket sales. Mitchell, bound by a confidentiality clause, would not comment on the exact capacity of the new stadium. But assuming the 22,500 figure is accurate, at an average $50 per ticket, the Cats will cover the $10 million as long as they sell out most games.

And a smaller stadium actually helps dramatically with that. Increasing the demand for tickets because there is a limited supply should translate into more season ticket holders than the current number, estimated to be slightly under 15,000. The Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox have always operated that way because of their old, small stadiums, but in 1990 the Baltimore Orioles became the first professional sports team to deliberately build a new stadium smaller than their old one. That forces fans to buy season’s tickets for fear that they won’t be able to get the tickets for games they really want. Then, weather and the competitive state of the team don’t affect sales as profoundly. The Montreal Alouettes had the same situation with the 20,000-seat Molson Stadium, and sold out every game for years.

The Ticats average between 23,000 and 24,000 spectators per game but about 20 per cent of them enjoy complimentary tickets, significantly lower than the figure from three years ago but still nearly double the industry standard. Tightening up on contra (tickets instead of cash, paid for services) and special group sales will allow the Cats to realize full income from a far greater percentage of the seats.

“So the biggest casualty in the capacity reduction will be those contra deals and big corporate buys,” Mitchell said.

The break-even point for most CFL teams is believed to be about $15 million in total annual income. With recent huge increases in TV viewership, broadcast revenues are expected to double or triple in the next couple of years, taking a big bite out of the $5 million income required beyond ticket sales. While the number of high-rent corporate boxes and club seats slated for the new stadium have not been revealed, there are going to be at least twice as many as there are now, adding more income potential to the Cats’ balance sheet.

“And clearly, we’ll have major increased revenue from concessions and merchandising because of an enhanced stadium experience,” Mitchell says. “It will also be a better experience for our corporate partners.”

The Ticats plan to cap individual season ticket sales at between 17,000 and 18,000. Season’s tickets prices for 2011 range from $14 per game in the end zone to $160 for the box seats at midfield. Those prices are expected to rise by two per cent next year.

But the team announced Wednesday that season’s tickets for 2012, the last season at Ivor Wynne, would cost the same as tickets for 2014, the first season in the new stadium.

“We wanted to nip in the bud all the talk that ‘I won’t be able to go to the new stadium because I can’t afford it,’” Mitchell explained.

Mitchell also said that the $1.3 million rent the Cats will pay the city in the new stadium will be the highest in the CFL and that the more income the club makes, the more the city will make on their rake-off of the profit, over and above the rental agreement.

And, he says, the seating capacity on opening day doesn’t have to remain that way. He wouldn’t comment directly, but the configuration of the new stadium has to include room for enough temporary seating to reach the 40,000 minimum required to play host to a Grey Cup Game.

“Infrastructure Ontario will deliver a great stadium, but obviously there’d be nothing stopping us, as far as far as post-Pan Am Games go, from adding more seating ourselves.”
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2017, 9:38 PM
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If Montreal were to tear down one of the grandstands and build individual seats the stadium would have a much smaller capacity than before losing many seats between the goal lines. Those seats are already the most expensive in the CFL on average. Imagine how much more expensive they would become if there was a loss of few thousand.

renovating Percival-Molson Stadium to have individual seats is a non-starter imo.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2017, 10:26 PM
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If any of you Saskatchewan folk want to inquire about a potential 7,000-8,000 seat CPL stadium in either Regina or Saskatoon now's your chance.

One of the organizers involved, Joe Belan, tweeted out photos from a stadium trip recently taken in Germany:


Visiting #Brita Stadium in Wiesbaden Germany today. One of these would look great in #Saskatchewan…#CanPL pic.twitter.com/aSsY2TI4RB

— Joe Belan (@JoeBelan) June 23, 2017
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 12:00 AM
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If any of you Saskatchewan folk want to inquire about a potential 7,000-8,000 seat CPL stadium in either Regina or Saskatoon now's your chance.

One of the organizers involved, Joe Belan, tweeted out photos from a stadium trip recently taken in Germany

— Joe Belan (@JoeBelan) June 23, 2017[/I]
Haha, unless it was built entirely by the owner, it's not happening. Saskatoon is looking at possibly building a new arena jn the coming years, and Regina just built a stadium + has a long term vision of a new arena 10+ years down the road.

The more likely option is to just use the lower bowl of NMS or cutting a deal with the U of S to use Griffiths Stadium.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 12:09 AM
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Haha, unless it was built entirely by the owner, it's not happening.
I suppose that would be something to bring up at the information session.

AFAIK Halifax's popup stadium is being fully-financed by the would-be CPL owners. I don't see why Regina/Saskatoon couldn't be the same. Popup stadiums don't typically have exorbitant costs that make larger, permanent stadiums financially unfeasible.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2017, 1:33 AM
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I suppose that would be something to bring up at the information session.

AFAIK Halifax's popup stadium is being fully-financed by the would-be CPL owners. I don't see why Regina/Saskatoon couldn't be the same. Popup stadiums don't typically have exorbitant costs that make larger, permanent stadiums financially unfeasible.
Wouldn't have to even be brought up. If the potential owners consider anything else, they're kidding themselves. I don't really care enough about the prospect of a team go to an info session though.

But regardless, Halifax has to pursue a pop-up stadium because it doesn't actually have anything close to a 7-10k stadium to begin with. Saskatoon's Griffiths is ~7k and Mosaic in Regina is 33k (lower bowl only is about 17k if they just used that). There's no reason cities Regina's/Saskatoon's size would need a pop-up stadium with a similar (Stoon) or smaller (Regina) capacity than their current facilities. Just feels like it would be a waste of money
     
     
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Building a soccer-specific stadium in Sask purely on speculation is a pointlessly costly endeavour when there are already venues that could handle a team and are ready to go. If a CPL team takes up residence at NMS or Huskies Stadium and builds up a fanbase, then maybe in a decade I could see that conversation taking place.

I simply don't see government putting money into it at this stage, and only a wealthy person who really loves soccer and isn't concerned so much with ROI would pay for one.
     
     
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Another super shot of new Regina stadium, June 10:
Attendance: 33,350


Source: https://twitter.com/sskroughriders/status/880576823410790401
     
     
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^Talk about "movin' on up" !
     
     
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That second tier in the end zone really makes a big difference.
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