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[deasine]

The 41st route doesn't feel as busy as the 49, and really, the 49 serves a lot more major destinations than the 41. The 49 directly services 3 public secondary schools and of course, Langara. From 8:00-9:00, it's the most congested time because you have people going to secondary school, going to UBC, and going to Langara. By the time it gets to Elliott, it's already packed to the max. Fraser St gets so busy with people because absolutely no one can fit on the bus. There are times where you have to wait for at least four 49 buses just to get on one. Now that there's the Canada Line, it's also a major connection feeder.

Langara Stn is so busy because it's in the middle of everything. You have trains going Northbound, every other train filled coming from Marine/Bridgeport/Richmond. Trains going southbound are also filled because many of those passengers are destined for Marine/Bridgeport/Richmond. There are a few that get off at 49th, but not enough to clear the entire platform.

The solution is, in terms of buses: artics or a parallel route on 54th Avenue/57th Avenue to service the Langara and Langara Stn bound passengers.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WBC

Honestly, who goes shopping in the Cambie Village other then the locals? Why would you go there?

Park Theatre, Pied-a-Terre, Kino Cafe, Stella's. In short per capita (per # stores) as many reasons to go as to go to 4th, Kerrisdale or West Broadway. But of course they wouldn't benefit, as there is no station in Cambie Village. I don't why Translink tried to sell them that load of malarkey in the first place.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Park Theatre, Pied-a-Terre, Kino Cafe, Stella's. In short per capita (per # stores) as many reasons to go as to go to 4th, Kerrisdale or West Broadway. But of course they wouldn't benefit, as there is no station in Cambie Village. I don't why Translink tried to sell them that load of malarkey in the first place.

people use burrard to walk to robson probably the same distance as king ed to the "village" and an easier walk too

[deasine]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

people use burrard to walk to robson probably the same distance as king ed to the "village" and an easier walk too

The problem is the village doesn't stretch to King Edward: this is where we need to densify and redevelop to lengthen the village.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

people use burrard to walk to robson probably the same distance as king ed to the "village" and an easier walk too

I walk from Commercial-Broadway Station all the way to the good stuff near Commercial and Venables, and then walk all the way back all the time. And I can tell a lot of other people do too. And Commercial drive is busy.

The distance between King Edward Station and Broadway City Hall is less than the distance from Boradway to Venables, and on Commercial you have to walk it twice (from and then back to the station), on Cambie you only have to walk between the 2 stations, MAX.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by deasine

The problem is the village doesn't stretch to King Edward: this is where we need to densify and redevelop to lengthen the village.

The thing is that near King Edward, there are a lot of apartment buildings, some kind of nice, old, but nice. It's the other end that can use some work. Sure it's uphill, but once you pass City hall there not much but a few very run down buildings for a few blocks. It's kind of depressing to walk that chunk from 12th to 16th. And then all the good stuff is just from 16th to 19th, it's not much of a village. Between 12th and 16th the buildings are almost falling down on their own (except that 1 new development), it should be a no-brainer to redevelop. Disgusting plazas have no place on Cambie if they want to attract "tourists" to visit.

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

I walk from Commercial-Broadway Station all the way to the good stuff near Commercial and Venables, and then walk all the way back all the time. And I can tell a lot of other people do too. And Commercial drive is busy.

The distance between King Edward Station and Broadway City Hall is less than the distance from Boradway to Venables, and on Commercial you have to walk it twice (from and then back to the station), on Cambie you only have to walk between the 2 stations, MAX.

well put. it comes down to there is nothing worth while in the Cambie Village. Where as Commercial has tones of great stores and restaurants, etc. Cambie has 2 or 3. IMO.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

The thing is that near King Edward, there are a lot of apartment buildings, some kind of nice, old, but nice. It's the other end that can use some work. Sure it's uphill, but once you pass City hall there not much but a few very run down buildings for a few blocks. It's kind of depressing to walk that chunk from 12th to 16th. And then all the good stuff is just from 16th to 19th, it's not much of a village. Between 12th and 16th the buildings are almost falling down on their own (except that 1 new development), it should be a no-brainer to redevelop. Disgusting plazas have no place on Cambie if they want to attract "tourists" to visit.

I guess you are referring to the East side of the street? If not, I have an apartment in one of those "old" "run down" buildings. Specifically, the complex that stretches between 14th and 16th which includes 3, 8 story buildings and a dozen 3 story townhouses with shops in them.
Considering we have to pay to get buildings painted every 3-5 years and the strata council proposing assessments every single meeting to renovate every single thing in buildings built 1992+...I would hardly call it run down. Plus, we have more amenities than most Yaletown condos (pool, gym, games room, park, gardens, water fountains ), so its not exactly a slum. The only problem we have had recently was the bus stop put in for the 33, which the city has refused to put a garbage can near. As a result, people throw garbage into the garden and peoples patios. Likewise, people lock their bikes to the doors! Other than that, it is almost spotless and in perfect condition (no graffiti or anything). The "new" development, which is on the south west of Cambie and 16th is in about equal condition to ours, and its only a couple years old.
The ones right before King Edward were somewhat renovated with new front facades, so they look way better than they did even a year ago. But they are ancient...
So hardly a run down area...

Btw, the property with the Church near Cambie and 16th has a development permit to build 3 residential buildings and a large underground parking lot + support buildings. Plus the condos right beside the new complex are almost finished!

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by tGill

i dont think thats possible!
i've taken the 25 between brentwood and nanaimo for the last 4 years everyday.

major problems Kincaid St/Sanderson way is extremely challenging for the regular buses
1)between ingleton ave and gilmore (the BGH section westbound) the hill challenges the best drivers in the winter (i'd say atleast 10 morning trips during winter i've been stuck waiting at the Canada Way & Willingdon stop for a bus that was never coming)
even more so almost any ice or snow delays buses by atleast 10-20 minutes almost all winter

2)west of BGH (ingleton to Smith) the street is extremely narrow & has residental parking in both directions buses already have to pull over to let a bus coming in the other direction through

3) I would assume it would travel south at smith and kincaid to head to joyce because theres no way it could travel south on Boundary (left turns from kincaid on to boundary are prohibited, combined with traffic you'd need a light there which would really mess up boundary) which brings up another point fourway stops everywhere in that area i cant see an express bus or articulated bline being able to traverse that area quickly, also there is a elementary school between moscrop and kincaid on smith so 30 KPH! and traffic nightmere.

to sum it up
narrow residential streets, winter/grade issues, and just overall a traffic nightmere for any bus traveling between willingdon and boundary

Very, very simple solution to this. Moscrop. Keep the 25 on Kincaid/Sanderson as it provides a good service along 22nd and gives the area a good local East/West route. But add a streetside bay at Joyce for an artic and run the buses along Moscrop. Burnaby Hospital is well served by the #25, #129 and #28 (Nanaimo, Joyce and Patterson) and the wide Moscrop Avenue doesn't have much in the way of buses. This would also take a load off the #25 as BCIT crowd would likely be on the 41 or 49 B-Line (Whichever one would be extended)

[racc]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Park Theatre, Pied-a-Terre, Kino Cafe, Stella's. In short per capita (per # stores) as many reasons to go as to go to 4th, Kerrisdale or West Broadway. But of course they wouldn't benefit, as there is no station in Cambie Village. I don't why Translink tried to sell them that load of malarkey in the first place.

Stella's business has increased.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Some+Cam...ffering+loss+business/1994368/story.html

"We've seen an increase in business since the Canada Line opened -- we find customers, especially beer afficionados who know us, are willing to walk a few extra blocks to have a beer, before their flight, then get to the airport safely by transit," said Sean Cannon, Stella's day manager.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by zivan56

I guess you are referring to the East side of the street? If not, I have an apartment in one of those "old" "run down" buildings. Specifically, the complex that stretches between 14th and 16th which includes 3, 8 story buildings and a dozen 3 story townhouses with shops in them.
Considering we have to pay to get buildings painted every 3-5 years and the strata council proposing assessments every single meeting to renovate every single thing in buildings built 1992+...I would hardly call it run down. Plus, we have more amenities than most Yaletown condos (pool, gym, games room, park, gardens, water fountains ), so its not exactly a slum. The only problem we have had recently was the bus stop put in for the 33, which the city has refused to put a garbage can near. As a result, people throw garbage into the garden and peoples patios. Likewise, people lock their bikes to the doors! Other than that, it is almost spotless and in perfect condition (no graffiti or anything). The "new" development, which is on the south west of Cambie and 16th is in about equal condition to ours, and its only a couple years old.
The ones right before King Edward were somewhat renovated with new front facades, so they look way better than they did even a year ago. But they are ancient...
So hardly a run down area...

Btw, the property with the Church near Cambie and 16th has a development permit to build 3 residential buildings and a large underground parking lot + support buildings. Plus the condos right beside the new complex are almost finished!

You're right, I was referring to the buildings mainly on the east side of the street. In fact your building looks nice I thought it was part of the same new development on the south side. The "new development" I was excluding from my rant is basically the whole west side from 14th to 16th. I didn't realize it was that old, but to me 90's is still new. It's a shinning example of what Cambie can be. I wish the East side was as nice as the west side for those 2 blocks.

On a positive note, Cambie street looks amazing. I mean the actual streetscape itself. It looks clean and modern. The neighborhood does feel safe and clean, more so than Commercial. But there is still just more stuff on Commercial. I hope the rest of Cambie can match your building one day, zivan56. But you have to admit, the old buildings across the street from you are a bit depressing. Sure, some of the buildings are heritage/character material, but others are just plain wrong.

It has a lot of potential to be an amazing neighborhood. A lot of work has been done between 6th and Broadway, and I think that's what's coming further south: charming mid-rise condos with lots of commercial and restaurant space at ground level (minus the big box stores), spacious feeling, yet high dense.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by racc

Stella's business has increased.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Some+Cam...ffering+loss+business/1994368/story.html

That's because Stella's is a neat place. The other couple neat places on Cambie were busy since after the street "re-opened". The Dutch wooden shoe cafe was PACKED last time I was in there, and that was months before the Canada Line opened. I don't see how that place could get busier than it already was.

Like I said earlier, just transit doesn't equal profit, the equation is like: Canada Line + ???? = profit. The businesses along Cambie need to find their ????

Transit provides the opportunity to make more money, not a guarantee. You have to seize it.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Park Theatre, Pied-a-Terre, Kino Cafe, Stella's. In short per capita (per # stores) as many reasons to go as to go to 4th, Kerrisdale or West Broadway. But of course they wouldn't benefit, as there is no station in Cambie Village. I don't why Translink tried to sell them that load of malarkey in the first place.

i think it's real name is "Kino Cafe Flamencos Tapas Bar" and i think it really is one of the coolest places in vancouver. The musicians and dancers are just awesome.

I have spent a few evenings there with my buddies, drinking way to much beer and watching beauty move.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

You're right, I was referring to the buildings mainly on the East side of the street. In fact your building looks nice I thought it was part of the same new development on the south side. The "new development" I was excluding from my rant is basically the whole west side from 14th to 16th. I didn't realize it was that old, but to me 90's is still new. It's a shinning example of what Cambie can be. I wish the East side was as nice as the west side for those 2 blocks.

On a positive note, Cambie street looks amazing. I mean the actual streetscape itself. It looks clean and modern. The neighborhood does feel safe and clean, more so than Commercial. But there is still just more stuff on Commercial. I hope the rest of Cambie can match your building one day, zivan56. But you have to admit, the old buildings across the street from you are a bit depressing. Sure, some of the buildings are heritage/character material, but others are just plain wrong.

It has a lot of potential to be an amazing neighborhood. A lot of work has been done between 6th and Broadway, and I think that's what's coming further south: charming mid-rise condos with lots of commercial and restaurant space at ground level (minus the big box stores), spacious feeling, yet high dense.

Ah, ok...was a bit worried there...especially after paying so much for cosmetic repairs/improvements.

Yes, the buildings on the East side are quite bad. Not as bad as they used to be a couple years back though, but they definitely need to go soon. A real opportunity was lost just half a block east of 16th (right beside the former Canada Line office), where a huge parcel of land was cleared only to give way to new wooden single family homes that sold for a million plus.
They should just tear down the stuff on the East side of the street from 14th to 16th and build something to match our complex (with commercial units being part of the first floor of course). I was looking through the city archives, and saw that building that used to house "Hazel & Co" in the late 60s! I don't see why they haven't been torn down already...
The "good stuff" in terms of density is mostly around the West side of Cambie and 16th and the blocks of 16th Westward.
The area from the bridge to Broadway has improved so dramatically since I first moved here...back in 2003, it wasn't really an area that I would consider safe. Now that land values are rising, hopefully newer developments will pop up and more of a "community" forms in its place.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by deasine

The problem is the village doesn't stretch to King Edward: this is where we need to densify and redevelop to lengthen the village.

well yes

but really there is nothing there that is appealing - you can find the same things elsewhere - its a neighbourhood strip not a regional one never will be

[gillty]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Very, very simple solution to this. Moscrop. Keep the 25 on Kincaid/Sanderson as it provides a good service along 22nd and gives the area a good local East/West route. But add a streetside bay at Joyce for an artic and run the buses along Moscrop. Burnaby Hospital is well served by the #25, #129 and #28 (Nanaimo, Joyce and Patterson) and the wide Moscrop Avenue doesn't have much in the way of buses. This would also take a load off the #25 as BCIT crowd would likely be on the 41 or 49 B-Line (Whichever one would be extended)

on the odd time i've driven moscrop i've literally waited 5/6 lights (10-15mins) at deerlakeparkway/moscrop & willingdon because at moscrop around 8am-9am was backed up all the way to the friggin lights from stupid parents dropping their kids off.

+ 30kph on half of moscrop from the park and school, and the new street modifications of moscrop the left turning lane for heading southbound on boundary is not that long and is already backed up
all i see is insane congestion!

i agree that a bline is needed however moscrop/sanderson/canada way all suck!

[CLC]

Gordon Price 's blog article on Canada Line and Gateway

http://pricetags.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/the-bad-bet/

[jlousa]

Good to see the world didn't end with the bus intergration as someone predicted.
My wife has used the line twice already trips to the airport, my inlaws will be using it twice this week as well. I'll need to wait a couple more months before I use it to the airport. But I'm glad the airport section is getting a fair amount of traffic. Bodes well to encourage other large entities to pay for transit expansions to serve them.

[metroXpress]

There are some new pics on Tafyrn's Blog...pics were taken in August.
Just check them out yourself: http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.com/2009/08/2009-08-23-olympic-village-station.html

[The_Henry_Man]

After the Sept 7th bus route updates, since a lot of the Richmond bus routes got massive frequency increases, did any of those routes receive new buses, esp the newer Nova ones? Richmond routes haven't received ANY of the new buses at all for the past 3-4 years.

And how's the road repavement coming along in Richmond? Where's in No.3 is it taken place now?