AUSTIN | Waterline | 1,034 Feet | 73 Floors | T/O - Page 48

The ATX · #1 Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 3:45 PM**

Much like the hotel amenities level, plans for the 74th floor residential amenities levels don't seem to be fleshed out enough to have renderings.

obemearg · #2 Posted **Jun 23, 2024, 2:51 AM**

Never forget the snowy rendering...

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https://i.imgur.com/a74qat2.png

GoldenBoot · #3 Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 3:59 PM**

CTBUH defines height to basically be from the lowest point of entry to the peak of the tower's highest architectural element. So, we need to find out at what level the lowest point of entry is - which I'm guessing is accessed from near the creek.

The ATX · #4 Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

CTBUH defines height to basically be from the lowest point of entry to the peak of the tower's highest architectural element. So, we need to find out at what level the lowest point of entry is - which I'm guessing is accessed from near the creek.

Yeah, I would start counting the height from the bottom of the stairs on the creek side.

Jdawgboy · #5 Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 4:12 PM**

Something tells me this project has been put on the fast track for Karoi and Lincoln. I believe this one will break ground before Republic Square and I'm okay with that.

drummer · #6 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 7:26 PM**

Good stuff, ATX. Thanks for sharing - and thanks to said anonymous source!

The ATX · #7 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 7:49 PM**

Another dump...

The ATX · #8 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:11 PM**

The side facing Lady Bird Lake:

The paseo dividing the North hotel portion of the podium from the south Office and residential tower:

ILUVSAT · #9 Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 10:09 PM**

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^^^Notice about ½ the way up the western facade of the North building is a door at 450.41'

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^^^See the two doors on the left-hand side of this rendering - lowest level. They both are at 450'.

So...is the FAA filing incorrect - 1492' AMSL? From where is the 1482' coming?

The ATX · #10 Posted **Nov 20, 2020, 6:12 AM**

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So...is the FAA filing incorrect - 1492' AMSL? From where is the 1482' coming?

Here is some clearer evidence for that ~1.6' lower starting point for counting the height. That brings it 1,031'.

I don't know where the info on the FAA filing came from. But I've noticed incorrect info on FAA filings before. All five or so permits for this project say it's in Dallas for Christ sake.

I would prefer to use one source for the height calculation rather than picking the tallest point from one source and the lowest point from another. So I'm sticking with the ~600 page document dump from Anonymous source #2 since it has the most info about the lowest and highest points. The tallest point on the tower that I could find was 1,481' 6" or 1,481.5'.

That's 1481.5 - 450.41 = 1,031 (Rounded)

H2O · #11 Posted **Nov 20, 2020, 1:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

Here is some clearer evidence for that ~1.6' lower starting point for counting the height. That brings it 1,031'.

I don't know where the info on the FAA filing came from. But I've noticed incorrect info on FAA filings before. All five or so permits for this project say it's in Dallas for Christ sake.

I would prefer to use one source for the height calculation rather than picking the tallest point from one source and the lowest point from another. So I'm sticking with the ~600 page document dump from Anonymous source #2 since it has the most info about the lowest and highest points. The tallest point on the tower that I could find was 1,481' 6" or 1,481.5'.

That's 1481.5 - 450.41 = 1,031 (Rounded)

My interpretation of the rendered site plan (based on nearly 40 years experience in the architecture / development world FWIIW) is that the lower terrace adjacent to the two doors is at 452.0. The 450.41 spot elevation is at the top of the bank adjacent to the terrace.

So, 1481.5 - 452.0 = 1,029.5 rounded up to 1,030.

gillynova · #12 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:41 PM**

Holy... absolutely loving the amount of details we're getting on this project lately

drummer · #13 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:52 PM**

It's really good integration with the Waller Creek natural area. I'm liking this.

ILUVSAT · #14 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:06 PM**

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

GoldenBoot · #15 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

When cross referencing the renderings and the diagrams with AMSL's - there is a door at the 450.41' AMSL mark. So, maybe this is 1042' tall?!?

KevinFromTexas · #16 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 11:56 PM**

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

The ATX · #17 Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

I'll post more images when I get more internet time, but I count the height as 1,030' now.

ILUVSAT · #18 Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

I cannot make out the elevations in the provided diagrams. They're too fuzzy when I try to zoom in.

The FAA filing listed 1492'. And, I see where Goldenboot viewed the 450.41' entrance on the east/creek side of the tower. I would concur that this baby is about 1040' according to the CTBUH definition (based on the FAA filing height AMSL).

Urbannizer · #19 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:09 PM**

Austin’s worst kept secret.

The ATX · #20 Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 10:14 PM**

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Austin’s worst kept secret.

There is a lot more to post that I will probably get to tomorrow. Hopefully nobody complains about copy right issues. A rendering of San Antonio's first legit new downtown residential tower was posted a couple weeks ago and was shortly thereafter removed when someone connected to the project complained. So save copies of the images.