AUSTIN | Waterline | 1,034 Feet | 73 Floors | T/O - Page 58

GoldenBoot · #**1141** Posted **Nov 17, 2020, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Geckos_Rule

And, buildings including Hotel/office space function a bit differently. The independent is all condos, so it depends on sales, and the residential real estate market.

A hotel/office building can get financed with a hotel partner, or a large pre-leased tenant, respectively. If this one has either of those two already, itt'l likely go fairly quickly. I think a better comparison is the timeline of 6xGuad, or Block 185.

Obviously. I'm well aware of how these things are financed.

And, the Independent had contracts on almost 90% of its units within a few months of opening their sales office. So, that was not the cause of any delay in starting.

An additional variable to funding is the overall economy - post-pandemic. What is it going to look like under new governmental control? Plus, there is a correction still looming. Furthermore, nobody knows how long it will take for the office & leisure markets to bounce back.

The ATX · #**1142** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 7:08 PM**

Another anonymous source has been kind enough to share a treasure trove of info about this project. I don't have time to post a lot of it right now. But I'll be sharing some of what I have over the next few days here and on my Twitter.

The base is divided into two sections - North for the hotel and South for office and residential.

Street and creek side:

drummer · #**1143** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 7:26 PM**

Good stuff, ATX. Thanks for sharing - and thanks to said anonymous source!

The ATX · #**1144** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 7:49 PM**

Another dump...

The ATX · #**1145** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:11 PM**

The side facing Lady Bird Lake:

The paseo dividing the North hotel portion of the podium from the south Office and residential tower:

gillynova · #**1146** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:41 PM**

Holy... absolutely loving the amount of details we're getting on this project lately

drummer · #**1147** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 8:52 PM**

It's really good integration with the Waller Creek natural area. I'm liking this.

ILUVSAT · #**1148** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:06 PM**

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

Urbannizer · #**1149** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:09 PM**

Austin’s worst kept secret.

gillynova · #**1150** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:43 PM**

So if this starts early 2022, then it would probably be done by 2025-2026?

StoOgE · #**1151** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:52 PM**

Jesus, someone gonna get fiiiired if they figure out whose leaking.

We vs us · #**1152** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:56 PM**

So, wow. That’s pretty amazing. The Waller Creek interplay is really intricate and beautiful. It’s hands down the best part of it. Bridges and overlooks and paths and tons of greenery. And the action at creek level explains a little bit better why the rest of the tower looks like it does thematically. A lot of those support columns at funky angles go all the way to the top. Not sure it makes me like the tower any more, but at least it makes more sense.

I weep for all the traffic on Red River, though. Not that there are any better options, but that paseo dumps all its traffic out onto a very congested two lane street. Gonna be hell getting out of there on weekdays.

Also, congrats everybody for being worthy of an anonymous leak! Pretty impressive IMO that we rate such a thorough info dump. We’re really coming up in the world!

the Genral · #**1153** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 9:59 PM**

To have a building of that magnitude and height so close to nature, a lot of nature, is unique in itself. Most seemed to be surrounded by cement and other tall buildings with a few trees at best. You could almost step out of the front doors and feel like you are in a park in the burbs. Very cool!

StoOgE · #**1154** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

Also, congrats everybody for being worthy of an anonymous leak! Pretty impressive IMO that we rate such a thorough info dump. We’re really coming up in the world!

Red River needs to be closed on the weekends or at least prevent uber/lyft from entering the area and create a drop-off pickup zone for them.

The ATX · #**1155** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbannizer

Austin’s worst kept secret.

There is a lot more to post that I will probably get to tomorrow. Hopefully nobody complains about copy right issues. A rendering of San Antonio's first legit new downtown residential tower was posted a couple weeks ago and was shortly thereafter removed when someone connected to the project complained. So save copies of the images.

GoldenBoot · #**1156** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

When cross referencing the renderings and the diagrams with AMSL's - there is a door at the 450.41' AMSL mark. So, maybe this is 1042' tall?!?

KevinFromTexas · #**1157** Posted **Nov 18, 2020, 11:56 PM**

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

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Originally Posted by ILUVSAT

^^^I didn't see anything labeled lower on the layout above. But, if the tower's true T.O.P. is at 1492' AMSL (as indicated on the FAA filing) - the lowest point I saw on the diagram was ~452' AMSL (near the base of the stairs between the two lobbies). Thus, this tower may be in the ballpark of 1040' in total height. Unless a lower point is confirmed.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

The ATX · #**1158** Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

I'll post more images when I get more internet time, but I count the height as 1,030' now.

N90 · #**1159** Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 2:32 AM**

The would make it the tallest building in Austin, in Texas, and in the Southern US. Also tallest building in a state capital city.

ILUVSAT · #**1160** Posted **Nov 19, 2020, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Well, I'm stunned. I really was hoping we'd see the first design shown in the renderings, and that seems to be what we're getting. The interaction with the creek and the landscaping is really beautiful. I feel like this building speaks about Austin's love of the outdoors. Even a billion dollar supertall can get down to nature here and be inviting.

Where are you seeing 1492' as the AMSL? The highest I've seen was 1474'.

I cannot make out the elevations in the provided diagrams. They're too fuzzy when I try to zoom in.

The FAA filing listed 1492'. And, I see where Goldenboot viewed the 450.41' entrance on the east/creek side of the tower. I would concur that this baby is about 1040' according to the CTBUH definition (based on the FAA filing height AMSL).