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Old Posted Aug 30, 2013, 9:39 PM
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^Is that a Metro sign in the last two images? Have they talked about building a new portal for the 7th/Metro stop?
They have. It was in the article that came out when "The Bloc" was announced a few months ago.
     
     
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So far I like what looked like Jonson Fain's preliminary work. The project represents the "undoing" of some very bad and dated design. I know nothing about construction costs, but the budget allotted for this project doesn't seem to be enough. Curbed LA mentioned the street level renovation of each side of the complex, but my sense would be to attach white metal paneling (along with strategic graphics or better yet artwork by local artists) to cover the entire brickwork, which seems to be the worst offender. The dark towers mounting a white base should look interesting. Other opinions?

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I like........but I couldn't find any photos for the side streets.....Hope and Flower?........I am not sure if those are the right names. I don't mind the brick if they break it up with a lot of glass like they are doing in the front.
     
     
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I don't know enough to say if larger companies like Riot would, but I know small tech start ups have. The company my brother works for has main office in Downtown. They were looking to expand a few months back, but opted to space in Irvine since the rents were cheaper.
That surprises me........I wouldn't expect Irvine to be cheaper than DTLA.

I do agree with Brudy...the travel time/the environments between the two locations is significant. I wonder if one of the principals lives in S. OC.
     
     
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So far I like what looked like Jonson Fain's preliminary work. The project represents the "undoing" of some very bad and dated design. I know nothing about construction costs, but the budget allotted for this project doesn't seem to be enough. Curbed LA mentioned the street level renovation of each side of the complex, but my sense would be to attach white metal paneling (along with strategic graphics) to cover the entire brickwork, which seems to be the worst offender. The dark towers mounting a white base should look interesting. Other opinions?
i have to say i do like what you can see in those renderings especially the 7th street facing side, but i am curious about what their plan is for 8th street, hope and flower. i agree budget seems low... but anyway i do think this will be a game changer for downtown in terms of becoming a real vibrant center and a place people want to spend time...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2013, 11:54 PM
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also i think the bike valet is an interesting idea...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2013, 12:12 AM
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I'm pretty sure there won't be any changes coming to the 8th street side. The spiraling parking garage ramps occupy the two corners, with the loading dock entrance in the middle. Trying to make Macy's accessible from that side would require a very expensive (and probably cost prohibitive) remodel of the parking structure.

I recall reading that both the Hope and Flower street sides would receive some stores, but the website doesn't have any renderings. At least it appears that there will be a way to access the central shopping area from Flower Street.

As others have already mentioned, these look like preliminary images. Still, I think it shows promise. Adding big windows to the podium on the 7th street side makes the complex look much less imposing. Not sure if they're allowed to have super graphics on 7th street, though.
     
     
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It doesn't seem like they'll be able to do much with the Hope Street side, since it's taken up by the Sheraton. I do recall the architects saying that they wanted to add two stories of retail facing Flower Street, which I hope makes it into the final design. I'm still curious to see what they plan on doing with the southern half of the site under the wildly enormous parking garage.
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I'm not very impressed with the re-design, at least not based on what I see from those renderings. It's just going to be another Santa Monica Place or FIGat7th.

The most egregious element, the multi-story brick monstrosity, will remain.
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There's a lot of underutilized space in between the Sheraton entrance and the food court entrance on Hope. It might be difficult to link that side of the building to the interior plaza, but there's probably room for some standalone stores.
     
     
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I'm not very impressed with the re-design, at least not based on what I see from those renderings. It's just going to be another Santa Monica Place or FIGat7th.

The most egregious element, the multi-story brick monstrosity, will remain.
If we get the same level of stores as Santa Monica Place, I'll be super pleased and that alone is a huge upgrade.

I think the design looks pretty good, but I didn't leap out of my seat or anything.
     
     
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The website for the Ratkovich Company gives more of a description of their plans. I know that if the company still has architect Brenda Levin still working for them, her collaboration with Johnson/Fain will turn out a very good product. She had been working with the company from day one, and I think she's great.


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With all the changes taking place in that vicinity (FIGat7th, Wilshire/Grand, THE BLOC, continental crosswalks, latched turnstiles at Metro Center, etc.), we're actually starting to resemble a 21st century city.
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With all the changes taking place in that vicinity (FIGat7th, Wilshire/Grand, THE BLOC, continental crosswalks, latched turnstiles at Metro Center, etc.), we're actually starting to resemble a 21st century city.
The streetcar is going to run past ALL of these projects. Passes Figat7th, turns on the intersection of the Wilshire Grand, and conveniently runs on 7th, right past the Bloc. I can safely say I'll be taking a ride on the streetcar in order to get the photo updates quicker

Now, all we need are those pesky lots on Fig right across the street from Figat7th to be built on with towers and retail(Retailers that HunterK approves of course ) Then we have a smooth flow of retail around the city center

Does anyone know who owns those lots on the other side of Fig from Apex just south of the TCW building? Wanted to look into that lot to see if there was anything there before it was asphalt.
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There's a lot of underutilized space in between the Sheraton entrance and the food court entrance on Hope. It might be difficult to link that side of the building to the interior plaza, but there's probably room for some standalone stores.
I hope you're right..........I hate to see either side street remain dead.

BTW can this forum come up with a new name for the complex and then do a write in campaign? Let me start by suggesting The Complex or Seventh Heaven.........both of which probably suck but at least its a start.
     
     
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The streetcar is going to run past ALL of these projects. Passes Figat7th, turns on the intersection of the Wilshire Grand, and conveniently runs on 7th, right past the Bloc. I can safely say I'll be taking a ride on the streetcar in order to get the photo updates quicker

Now, all we need are those pesky lots on Fig right across the street from Figat7th to be built on with towers and retail(Retailers that HunterK approves of course ) Then we have a smooth flow of retail around the city center

Does anyone know who owns those lots on the other side of Fig from Apex just south of the TCW building? Wanted to look into that lot to see if there was anything there before it was asphalt.
Upscale retail would be nice! It would be interesting to have a Smart&Final across the street from a Banana Republic or something similar. Very LA.

Heres the only picture I could find of the lots. It looks like they were just 1-stories and nothing too exciting. I know that entire block has been in the terrible shape its in currently since the 1940's at LEAST.

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Agreed with colemonkee. HunterK, I've lined in DTLA since 2007 and if you think Ross was damaging to downtown, then you are the one that is delusional.

And not "everybody" hates it, your generalization statements undermine the qualities of your thought. Your hidden negatives are much worse than citywatch's constant parking lot comparisons.
I think all you forumers who do live in dt deserve to be listened to far more closely than those of us who are merely outsiders looking on in & being like backseat drivers. So even if I don't agree with what you or other dt residents say or feel about where you live, I've got to remember the phrase about walking a mile in someone's shoes.

however, I continue to believe that the average person.....the AVERAGE person....not an ssp forumer, or a fanboy or fangirl of urban planning & urban ideals....does notice what you say I'm always making comparisons about far more than things like bldgs being too short, or not architecturally snazzy enough, or having overly large parking podiums, or lacking stores on the 1st floor.

that latter criticism always puzzles me alot when when it's voiced by the many forumers here who are guys, since generally males aren't as much into shopping as women are. besides, there are huge sections of cities famous for their street life that have plenty of bldgs without stores to walk into....for instance, many sections of NYC, including a huge portion of 5th avenue across from central park.

I think the bigger problem is not walking past new bldgs that don't have retail, but walking past all the sections of dtla that are nothing but.....parking lots.


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And here I thought the Broadway Ross dead horse was already beaten? Personally, I don't like Ross (I'm fine with marshalls or tj maxx). Whether or not it's done any good for the street, who knows? When I walk by it looks pretty dead in there.
hunterk is a tough taskmaster when it comes to what he wants or doesn't want on broadway, but since he & you, & colemonkee, laofanaheim, lasportsfan, & various other forumers who live in dt or spend lots of time there, do deal with dt far more closely than other forumers, I'll have to say your POV deserves more consideration than mine.

however, I'm personally not bothered by Ross's new store....one can find name brands there for good prices. But I am very bothered to read that ross may not be attracting enough business to make its owner instantly very happy. I'd hate for that store to be doing poorly while all the really swapmeets on broadway manage to hang on, yr after yr after yr.


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The website for the Ratkovich Company gives more of a description of their plans.
this is the section of their webpage that stood out to me. the big question is just how confident & ambitious will macy's be about improving their dtla store? perhaps if the renovation of the entire complex is so dramatic that a transit station will now open directly into it, stores like macys will no longer feel hesitant about investing $$ into their property due to a concern that the investment won't pan out cuz of a lack of enough shoppers.

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Bounded by 7th, 8th, Hope and Flower Streets THE BLOC will include a state-of the art European Standard 478 room Sheraton hotel, a fully updated 250,000 sf Macy’s Department Store, over 150,000 sf of unparalleled retail shops and restaurants surrounding an open-air, multi-level public plaza, and a fully renovated 33-story, 700,000 sf office tower with rooftop garden lounge.

THE BLOC will also become a transit hub, with direct regional connector subway, streetcar and bus connections bringing customers right into the center of the project.
I notice they already have a website up that is for the bloc, but the web pages aren't yet fully completed...there are missing links. I hope that isn't an early warning sign that the new owner will end up promising more than he can deliver.
     
     
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It looks like they were just 1-stories and nothing too exciting. I know that entire block has been in the terrible shape its in currently since the 1940's at LEAST.
that's why I think it's an overly simplistic & even incorrect POV to say that the arrival of the car & freeways made dtla increasingly obsolete, or is what really hurt it. The hood took a nosedive mainly cuz too much of it....even before burbanization became very popular & there was flight to the burbs.....was always not the nicest place to be.
     
     
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So far I like what looked like Jonson Fain's preliminary work. The project represents the "undoing" of some very bad and dated design. I know nothing about construction costs, but the budget allotted for this project doesn't seem to be enough. Curbed LA mentioned the street level renovation of each side of the complex, but my sense would be to attach white metal paneling (along with strategic graphics or better yet artwork by local artists) to cover the entire brickwork, which seems to be the worst offender. The dark towers mounting a white base should look interesting. Other opinions?
it would look great, awesome idea.
     
     
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The streetcar is going to run past ALL of these projects. Passes Figat7th, turns on the intersection of the Wilshire Grand, and conveniently runs on 7th, right past the Bloc. I can safely say I'll be taking a ride on the streetcar in order to get the photo updates quicker

Now, all we need are those pesky lots on Fig right across the street from Figat7th to be built on with towers and retail(Retailers that HunterK approves of course ) Then we have a smooth flow of retail around the city center

Does anyone know who owns those lots on the other side of Fig from Apex just south of the TCW building? Wanted to look into that lot to see if there was anything there before it was asphalt.
The large parking lot across from 7th/Fig would be an excellent location for a major hotel. Considering that the lot is smaller than the new Grand site, a hotel of say 1,000 rooms would be at a substantial height, perhaps 50 to 60 storeys. I also see 7th street evolving into a promenade (oriented to upscale retail and fine dining) starting at 7th and Figuroa, to the BLOC and then all the way to Broadway, which will be the terminus. Broadway can cater to the more off-beat "indie" retailer. Once the streetcar is installed that portion of Broadway from 7th down to Olympic will thrive. It will be an exciting thing to watch. Also, a reader on Brigham Yen's site suggested that the hideous brickwork of the BLOC be transformed (hidden) by the large scale artwork of local muralists, which I think is an absolutely astounding idea. Murals by the likes of Kent Twitchell, and other locals of great talent would create an international drawing card. It would be recognized on an international scale and be a "must see" for locals as well as international visitors.
     
     
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