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Old Posted May 26, 2014, 2:36 AM
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15 story office building in SLC?

Anybody know about this development? I pulled this off of Beecher Walker's website. It says it is for SLC. 15 stories is substantial.



http://www.beecherwalker.com/anderson-westfield.html#5

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Old Posted May 26, 2014, 2:47 AM
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Anybody know about this development? I pulled this off of Beecher Walker's website. It says it is for SLC. 15 stories is substantial.



http://www.beecherwalker.com/anderson-westfield.html#5
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From my research, it was proposed across the street from the library. Thing is, I've found renderings that go back to 2008 - January, to be specific. So, this project has probably been in development at least since 2007. That extensive period leads me to believe it's dead. Of course it's dead. I mean, it's way too cool for Salt Lake.
     
     
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Your probably right Comrade, but hey, if the proposal is from 2007 you never know. A lot of projects that were sidelined during that time are now coming back on line. I'd say SLC is prime for that type of development right now. Cool looking design.
     
     
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Porcupine Pub owners buy Market Street Broiler building near the U.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment2/57982091-223/porcupine-building-broiler-market.html.csp


(Tribune file photo) The former Market Street Broiler has been sold and will soon be the Porcupine Pub at the U.

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Old Posted May 26, 2014, 8:14 PM
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Anyone know what this is? It's listed as being at the Gateway?



     
     
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Anyone know what this is? It's listed as being at the Gateway?



I believe those were the first/older renderings of the ESA Hotels on that corner South of ESA.
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Bummer. I really like that. I like it better than the two we are getting. The two we are getting are fine, but this one is really nice. IMO
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 12:53 AM
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Bummer. I really like that. I like it better than the two we are getting. The two we are getting are fine, but this one is really nice. IMO
I really like the base. The color is meh, but I've come to expect that from the Gateway. It looks better than the current Courtyard renderings:



     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 3:34 PM
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Interesting article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/20...ome_nobody_wants_to_host_the_winter.html

Nobody Wants to Host the Winter Olympics

The AP reports that, facing public opposition and allegations of official corruption, Krakow is withdrawing its bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics. It follows Stockholm, which pulled out in December due to concerns over costs.

This leaves four cities officially in the running: Almaty, Kazahkstan; Beijing, China; Lviv, Ukraine; and Oslo, Norway.

Let’s just assume that given current political realities, Lviv doesn’t have a realistic shot at this. Oslo is also looking like a bit of a non-starter. According to the AP, the government has yet to secure financing for the bid and one of the parties in the country’s governing coalition has come out against it.

We know from 2008 that China is capable of putting on a good show, but its bid is problematic for a number of reasons. For one thing, there aren’t any mountains – and lately, not that much snow -- in Beijing. The plan is to hold the indoor events in the capital and the snow events over 100 miles away in the northern city of Zhangjiakou, requiring a new high-speed railway to be constructed. The IOC also usually doesn’t give the games to the same region twice in a row – South Korea will host in 2018.

Almaty, which also bid for the 2014 Olympics and was initially considered a long-shot, is starting to see its prospects rise. It claims to already have many of the facilities in place and with a booming oil economy the Kazakh government should be able to afford more. After all the criticism surrounding Sochi, the IOC might be reluctant to award the games to another former Soviet autocracy with a poor human rights record, but frankly China’s an even worse choice on that score. Winning the Olympics would be something of a crowning achievement for Kazakhstan’s 73-year-old strongman President Nursultan Nazarbayev, who has been in office since independence in 1991.

If we do end up watching slopestyle from the Central Asia steppes in 2022, it will likely be because it’s becoming clear that nobody in Europe wants to host the Olympics anymore. In addition to Krakow – where 70 percent of voters rejected the Olympics in a recent referendum – and Olso, public opposition also scuttled bids by Munich and Davos.

Publics may finally be getting wise to the fact that the longterm economic benefits of hosting mega-events like the Olympics or the World Cup are usually negligible at best. This is going to mean that fewer democratic countries will make bids for them and the ones that do, like Brazil, will do so in the face of widespread popular opposition. For the Winter Olympics, where thanks to weather and geography, the number of potential hosts is small (and thanks to climate change getting smaller) the problem will be more acute. Increasingly, the only governments excited about hosting these events are the ones that don’t have to worry about public opinion.

Unless the skyrocketing costs of these mega-events can be contained, expect to see a lot more Chinas, Russias, Qatars, and Kazakhstans hosting them in the future.
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That is an interesting article, but I also find it interesting that they only focused on the 2022 games, a games that the US didn't put a bid in for. The fact that there are multiple US cities considering a bid for the 2026 games. It's not that the the cost of the Olympics is so huge it's that so many host cities simply host and then let their facilities fall into disrepair afterwards, not having a post Olympic plan in place.

While the games in Sochi where a success, the human rights issues were serious and got even worse after the games completed. I would find it hard to imagine the IOC awarding the bid to China, particularly, as the article mentioned, with S. Korea having it in 2018, the venues being over 100 miles away, and human rights issues on top of that.

Who knows, maybe we'll see SLC 2022 afterall, simply by default. The facilities are all still in Olympic condition, our transit has improved, our number of hotel rooms has increased and our media center (Salt Palace) has been expanded and will be expanding again.
     
     
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Yeah...hoping articles like this will light a fire (a torch?) under SLC.
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I wouldn't necessarily call the Sochi Olympics a success... remember the tales of the visitors being treated to terrible hotel rooms. Buildings not being finished. Infrastructure in poor condition. The snow in poor condition. Large and widespread corruption. The ice rinks and (such as the luge) not groomed and bumpy so much so several athletes refused to go on for fear of life and limb. The Sochi Olympics happened... but they were not a success by any means. Unless it is a default I bet the IOC is weary of giving the olympic games to Kazakhstan due to the similarities it has to Russia in terms of politics, history, human rights and corruption not to mention it has a significantly smaller economy that Russia (which is poor in the first place... as Texas has a larger, more powerful economy than Russia). I bet when push comes to shove it will be China (Larger economy, history of successful olympic games, more hidden human rights abuses). Followed by the safe bet of the US for the 2026 Olympics (possibly SLC).
     
     
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Also on the subject of Olympic Games here is an interesting piece written in january of this year that outlines what the olympic games provided for Salt Lake City. http://www.olympic.org/news/salt-lake-city-still-basking-in-2002-winter-games-legacies/221905
     
     
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I think it's more than just cities not having a viable post-Olympic plan. On the whole, the benefits of hosting the Olympic Games don't necessarily outweigh the costs. Sure, some cities flip a profit, but it doesn't necessarily make up for the headache of hosting the Games.

I think one of the issues underlooked the most when it comes to Salt Lake hosting the Olympics is how successful can it be hosting a second time in such a short period? We're already known as an Olympic destination - having been the last U.S. city to host the games. So, our profile isn't going to rise too much by hosting the Games again - and will the advantages of such outweigh the costs we'll undoubtedly have to put into updating venues?

Is the ESA a viable option knowing that, in 2022, it will be 31 years old? The city, or hopefully, a private backer, will certainly have to push a renovation of the arena, which could prove beneficial to the area, but if it falls to the tax payers - well, that's another story altogether.

To put that into perspective, the 2014 venues in Sochi, Russia, like the Bolshoy Ice Dome (hockey) opened in 2012 and Fisht Olympic Stadium, where the opening ceremonies were held, opened in 2013. Shayba Arena, which also held hockey, opened in 2013 and Iceberg Skating Palace, which held figure skating, opened in 2012.

Salt Lake's area sports venues are getting old (by Olympic standards)

Rice-Eccles Stadium will be 24 years old in 2022.
The ESA, as I said, will be 31 years old.
The Maverik Center 25 years old in 2022.

The venues will need to be updated. The U will probably push expansion, which would be a plus, but the Maverik Center already feels dated and the ESA, while improved over where it was just a few years ago, is still one of the oldest arenas in the NBA.

The Salt Lake games still spent a then-record $2 billion and while it probably wouldn't cost that much - it isn't hard to see it exceeding a billion again when you factor in that the 2022 Games are still eight years away - moreover, we're getting to the point where the ball needs to get rolling, so to speak, for any chance of having a Games that doesn't feel like the city was a fallback option.

I'm not so sure the idea of a fallback option benefits the city much and could ultimately hinder the potential of re-hosting the games if the committee isn't allowed time to invest in upgrades.

Remember, twenty-years is a long time for any venue, even if the upkeep is top-notch - and that doesn't get into those venues that were built years before the Games.
     
     
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I wouldn't necessarily call the Sochi Olympics a success... remember the tales of the visitors being treated to terrible hotel rooms. Buildings not being finished. Infrastructure in poor condition. The snow in poor condition. Large and widespread corruption. The ice rinks and (such as the luge) not groomed and bumpy so much so several athletes refused to go on for fear of life and limb. The Sochi Olympics happened... but they were not a success by any means. Unless it is a default I bet the IOC is weary of giving the olympic games to Kazakhstan due to the similarities it has to Russia in terms of politics, history, human rights and corruption not to mention it has a significantly smaller economy that Russia (which is poor in the first place... as Texas has a larger, more powerful economy than Russia). I bet when push comes to shove it will be China (Larger economy, history of successful olympic games, more hidden human rights abuses). Followed by the safe bet of the US for the 2026 Olympics (possibly SLC).
While I think Russia sure made a strong push to complete everything at an outrageous pricetag, I would consider Sochi a bust in terms of venues(specifically the things you mentioned) and weather conditions(horrible snow& Ice).

Not taking into account the political issues.

It felt like they were trying to pound a square peg through a round hole to me.. Sochi sure felt like a summer destination, especially the events in the city at sea level.. I'm by no means a Russia expert but surely the country had a city that could have had some of the basic infrastructure already in place and actually had real winter conditions..

IMO, they will never see a solid return on investment with Sochi..
     
     
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I think it's a bit misleading on journalists part to include costs of rebuilding I-15 and building light rail, which were going to happen even without the Olympics in the Salt Lake Olympic budget. Minus those and more invasive security measures because of 9/11 and you wind up with a budget closer to $500 million.

There's only one existing venue built before the games: bobsled-luge track, which commentators said was one of the best in the world. The 90-meter high jump was moved and rebuilt after the games were awarded. The oval in Kearns, which was outdoors originally was rebuilt with a structure over it.

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I think it's more than just cities not having a viable post-Olympic plan. On the whole, the benefits of hosting the Olympic Games don't necessarily outweigh the costs. Sure, some cities flip a profit, but it doesn't necessarily make up for the headache of hosting the Games.

I think one of the issues underlooked the most when it comes to Salt Lake hosting the Olympics is how successful can it be hosting a second time in such a short period? We're already known as an Olympic destination - having been the last U.S. city to host the games. So, our profile isn't going to rise too much by hosting the Games again - and will the advantages of such outweigh the costs we'll undoubtedly have to put into updating venues?

Is the ESA a viable option knowing that, in 2022, it will be 31 years old? The city, or hopefully, a private backer, will certainly have to push a renovation of the arena, which could prove beneficial to the area, but if it falls to the tax payers - well, that's another story altogether.

To put that into perspective, the 2014 venues in Sochi, Russia, like the Bolshoy Ice Dome (hockey) opened in 2012 and Fisht Olympic Stadium, where the opening ceremonies were held, opened in 2013. Shayba Arena, which also held hockey, opened in 2013 and Iceberg Skating Palace, which held figure skating, opened in 2012.

Salt Lake's area sports venues are getting old (by Olympic standards)

Rice-Eccles Stadium will be 24 years old in 2022.
The ESA, as I said, will be 31 years old.
The Maverik Center 25 years old in 2022.

The venues will need to be updated. The U will probably push expansion, which would be a plus, but the Maverik Center already feels dated and the ESA, while improved over where it was just a few years ago, is still one of the oldest arenas in the NBA.

The Salt Lake games still spent a then-record $2 billion and while it probably wouldn't cost that much - it isn't hard to see it exceeding a billion again when you factor in that the 2022 Games are still eight years away - moreover, we're getting to the point where the ball needs to get rolling, so to speak, for any chance of having a Games that doesn't feel like the city was a fallback option.

I'm not so sure the idea of a fallback option benefits the city much and could ultimately hinder the potential of re-hosting the games if the committee isn't allowed time to invest in upgrades.

Remember, twenty-years is a long time for any venue, even if the upkeep is top-notch - and that doesn't get into those venues that were built years before the Games.
     
     
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I think it's a bit misleading on journalists part to include costs of rebuilding I-15 and building light rail, which were going to happen even without the Olympics in the Salt Lake Olympic budget. Minus those and more invasive security measures because of 9/11 and you wind up with a budget closer to $500 million.

There's only one existing venue built before the games: bobsled-luge track, which commentators said was one of the best in the world. The 90-meter high jump was moved and rebuilt after the games were awarded. The oval in Kearns, which was outdoors originally was rebuilt with a structure over it.
Well that furthers my point - the venues are going to be a bit outdated come 2022. Hell, I think the ESA, compared to most other NBA arenas, is pretty average by today's standards. In 2002, it was fairly new (a bit over a decade old) but since the ESA opened, all but New York, Golden State, Detroit Sacramento, Milwaukee and Minnesota have opened new arenas.

The Warriors are in the process of building a new arena in San Francisco's Mission Bay neighborhood. Sacramento is in the process of building their new arena. Milwaukee has pretty much been told by the NBA to build a new arena (at least have a plan in place by Nov. 2017) or the league will buy the franchise (and possibly relocate 'em). Minnesota will renovate the Target Center, which will be significantly more upgraded than the ESA was during its initial renovation (well more than the $15 million Utah spent on upgrading).

In a few years, the Jazz could have the 4th oldest arena in the NBA (behind New York, Detroit and Minnesota - who is renovating, remember). It's a good venue, but it's aging and, let's be honest, sports arenas have a shelf life. The ESA's hasn't arrived yet, but to host the Olympics? I think they'd need to renovate - and then look at potentially building a new hockey arena to woo a NHL team to Salt Lake (how bad-ass would a hockey arena look, say, just west of the Gateway on 100 S between 500 and 600 W?).

But it isn't going to be entirely cheap. That's a reason why I hope Salt Lake pushes for the 2026 Winter Olympics so it does allow the city time to upgrade and bring potentially new development to Salt Lake.
     
     
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In a few years, the Jazz could have the 4th oldest arena in the NBA (behind New York, Detroit and Minnesota - who is renovating, remember). It's a good venue, but it's aging and, let's be honest, sports arenas have a shelf life. The ESA's hasn't arrived yet, but to host the Olympics? I think they'd need to renovate - and then look at potentially building a new hockey arena to woo a NHL team to Salt Lake (how bad-ass would a hockey arena look, say, just west of the Gateway on 100 S between 500 and 600 W?).

But it isn't going to be entirely cheap. That's a reason why I hope Salt Lake pushes for the 2026 Winter Olympics so it does allow the city time to upgrade and bring potentially new development to Salt Lake.
Nothing is on the horizon for at least 5 years according to the Millers.

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Three days after promising a "major facility announcement," Steve Miller, president of Miller Sports Properties, which operates the Jazz, revealed the plans for the overhaul, but said any other upgrades to the NBA's seventh-oldest arena are five to 15 years down the road.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56472446-87/arena-miller-video-jazz.html.csp

Unless of course, there's some incentive to get something done earlier..



As far as RES(Utah Utes), there have been plans drawn up to expand to 55-60K and adding additional suites/club seeting in the South End Zone.



There is nothing official about dates. Dr. Hill wanted to have an idea of look and feel as well as cost.. This is the biggest step towards expansion since the original stadium was rebuilt. I believe the price tag is around $60 million. Nothing is going to happen until other facilities are completed like the new football(done) and basketball(summer 2015) practice facilities are done with a few other things like the softball field(done).

Utah has been in the hole the last few years trying to catch up to some of the PAC 12 in facilities but will be well positioned and healthy going forward with full shares of revenue.. Starting this year, now that most of the crucial facility upgrades are done or on their way.

With or without an Olympic push, I think we will will see some solid expansion traction on RES in 2016-2017.. That is unless Whittingham continues to embarrass himself like the last two years..

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Well of course I know about the RES expansion, since that picture came from my old blog. I'm not optimistic it'll happen any time soon, though, because of what you already mentioned. I think a successful Olympic bid would certainly push the start date closer, though.
     
     
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Well of course I know about the RES expansion, since that picture came from my old blog.
I'm sure you do.. But there's many outside readers here who might not..
     
     
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