Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[Mikeed]

Westboro station where it is now, provides the most growth opportunity in the future, to turn it into a true 'TOD Node'. Lot's of undeveloped/underdeveloped lots. And eventually, that lonely Federal office building on Lanark will be redeveloped into hopefully a mixed use-TOD Node.

Also, I can imagine a future where the Jules-Léger Centre get's redeveloped as that can be used to create an endowment to support the good work that goes on at that facility, while creating a better learning environment.

See Google Earth for more.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

What about the passengers not wanting to transfer to the Confederation Line? What about the concept of running bus routes on straight lines? Having Carling buses entering and exiting a station is a loss of unnecessary minutes. The assumption here is that everybody will be using the Confederation Line. This is a big mistake.

The next thing we will hear is that Carling east and west of Lincoln Fields will be different routes requiring a transfer.

This is common in Toronto for its subway stations. Almost every one has a bus loop.

Its because of the high passenger flows involved at a transfer station. Its not desirable to do it on street. the one station on the bloor line that doesn't have a bus loop, Dufferin, is widely disliked by transit users as you have to wait on the sidewalk.

Sure, some people will continue through without transferring onto the LRT. but most people will be disembarking. Its better to make it a more positive transfer experience for the 70-80% of riders that are disembarking than it is to save the 20-30% remaining on the bus an extra minute of travel time.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Okay. Still not sure which condos you are referring to.

Used to be the nun house.

The Canada Banknote property is half way between Lanark Ave and Island Park Drive, so a Westboro station at Lanark Ave would be equally close as a station at Island Park Drive.

I have no idea what property you are talking about: Canada Banknote is 250m south of the intersection of Island Park and the Transitway.

Until Gatinau builds the LRT system to Aylmer that they are talking about.

They are talking about it. They won't build it. They'll go with prettier bus lanes or, maybe, bus crappid transit. Regardless, it doesn't negate the utility of having transit cross at points west of downtown.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Sure, some people will continue through without transferring onto the LRT. but most people will be disembarking. Its better to make it a more positive transfer experience for the 70-80% of riders that are disembarking than it is to save the 20-30% remaining on the bus an extra minute of travel time.

As a hard-core transit user, I object to the notion that a friggin' bus loop is a "positive transfer experience". It is not.

For the one, or maybe two routes that would go straight past on Carling, you can have a comfortable through-passenger experience AND a convenient transfer at Carling, if the station is located and designed for it.

But, as we see over and over and over and over again, passenger comfort is not a design value that carries any weight in this city.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Used to be the nun house.

Given that I am not a Nun, that doesn't help much.

I have no idea what property you are talking about: Canada Banknote is 250m south of the intersection of Island Park and the Transitway.

This one: Canadian Bank Note Company, Limited

Regardless, it doesn't negate the utility of having transit cross at points west of downtown.

On that we agree.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

This one: Canadian Bank Note Company, Limited

Yes, which is on Richmond Road, just three minutes' walk south of the intersection of Island Park and the Transitway. It is not near Lanark.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

As a hard-core transit user, I object to the notion that a friggin' bus loop is a "positive transfer experience". It is not.

For the one, or maybe two routes that would go straight past on Carling, you can have a comfortable through-passenger experience AND a convenient transfer at Carling, if the station is located and designed for it.

But, as we see over and over and over and over again, passenger comfort is not a design value that carries any weight in this city.

The construction of the bus loop doesn't mean every bus needs to use it.

Right now, eastbound 85's enter the loop but westbound 85's don't. With the new crosswalk maybe all 85's can remain on Carling if there is not a significant volume of passengers from that route transferring to the LRT line.

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Yes, which is on Richmond Road, just three minutes' walk south of the intersection of Island Park and the Transitway. It is not near Lanark.

Google walk time puts it at 450m and 6 minute walks to both Lanark/Scott and Island Park/Scott intersections

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Lakeofthewood

Google walk time puts it at 450m and 6 minute walks to both Lanark/Scott and Island Park/Scott intersections

Maybe if you are walking along Island Park Drive and then Richmond Road to the notional civic address of Canada Banknote.

But not if you're a human being who walks.

[Lakeofthewood]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Maybe if you are walking along Island Park Drive and then Richmond Road to the notional civic address of Canada Banknote.

But not if you're a human being who walks.

This is taking the route you're showing, and for both the Lanark and Island Park routes it assumes the same starting point of the front of the building on Richmond.

http://imgur.com/a/E7ku1

http://imgur.com/a/O1Ed8

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Maybe if you are walking along Island Park Drive and then Richmond Road to the notional civic address of Canada Banknote.

But not if you're a human being who walks.

You can get to Scott/Lanark just as quickly via Kirkwood and the pathway to West Village.

[Uhuniau]

What is the significance either of the front door of the existing Canada Banknote building, or of Lanark Avenue?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Maybe if you are walking along Island Park Drive and then Richmond Road to the notional civic address of Canada Banknote.

But not if you're a human being who walks.

Yes. You are having them start at the east side if the property and use a pathway. There is also a pathway on the west side of the Bank Note Company to W Village Private, which aligns perfectly with Lanark Ave. If you have them start at the west side of the property and use the western path, the walking distance to Lanark Ave. is the same.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

What is the significance either of the front door of the existing Canada Banknote building,

And what is the significance of using the central eastern edge of the property? Without a building plan, we won't know where the building exits will be.

Here are apples to apples comparisons using the closet corner showing they are within 10 m of each other (if anything, Lanark is a touch closer, but I will concede that as within the error tolerance of my marker placement, and Google's ability to measure a distance).

to Lanark

to Island Park

or of Lanark Avenue?

That is where I have been proposing Westboro station be moved all along.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

That is where I have been proposing Westboro station be moved all along.

Ah, ok.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by Lakeofthewood

This is taking the route you're showing, and for both the Lanark and Island Park routes it assumes the same starting point of the front of the building on Richmond.

http://imgur.com/a/E7ku1

http://imgur.com/a/O1Ed8

[PHrenetic]

Good Day....
new document up on Stage2LRT website,
about Iris station and Pinecrest Creek realignment modifications to the EA and Feb Implementation plans, and some indication of detour phasings :

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...tation_CW2.pdf

EnJoy!

[AndyMEng]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

lol, you guys are great.

What the eff is the difference between 250 and 450m, in time? 2 mins to 6 mins?

Also, just to stir some $hit, I can tell you just from looking at the building, aint nobody going to pull up to the front door, nor are they going to walk to the street at Richmond and then swagger down to the station.

Entrances for the workers is at the back/sides.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day....
new document up on Stage2LRT website,
about Iris station and Pinecrest Creek realignment modifications to the EA and Feb Implementation plans, and some indication of detour phasings :

http://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/u...tation_CW2.pdf

EnJoy!

Thanks. These slides are actually for tonight's Information session I'm planning to go to: http://ottawa.ca/2/en/city-hall/publ...tation-concept

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by AndyMEng

lol, you guys are great.

What the eff is the difference between 250 and 450m, in time? 2 mins to 6 mins?

Also, just to stir some $hit, I can tell you just from looking at the building, aint nobody going to pull up to the front door, nor are they going to walk to the street at Richmond and then swagger down to the station.

I agree with you but I think you need to read the entire thread to understand what was being discussed.

Entrances for the workers is at the back/sides.

Irrelevant after it gets demolished to build condos.