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Old Posted Jan 24, 2017, 4:49 PM
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Wow, this proposal for a St. Louis MLS stadium is pretty sweet looking. Pricey though at $200 million US.
Reminds me of the earlier renderings for NMS. Beautiful looking stadium, though. CFL and MLS parks sure have a lot in common in terms of their overall size and scale.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2017, 4:55 PM
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$200M seems to be the running price for potential MLS stadiums in the US.
     
     
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Wow, this proposal for a St. Louis MLS stadium is pretty sweet looking. Pricey though at $200 million US.
Based on the rendering it's hard to believe it will only seat 20,000. The cost seems about right to me and I see the city has lowered what they are willing to put in to $60 million plus it'll be a ballot issue. I wish that would happen in Canada for numerous projects.
     
     
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Impressive way to keep surface parking without it being an eyesore from street level.
     
     
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NFL took cross-Canada scouting trip in 2016, could play future games in Toronto, Edmonton or elsewhere

John Kryk, Postmedia Network | February 1, 2017 7:49 PM ET

HOUSTON — The NFL scouted four Canadian stadiums in 2016 as candidate sites for possible future regular-season games, Postmedia has learned.

Mark Waller, the NFL’s executive vice-president of international, said in an interview on Wednesday that league reps last year visited Montreal’s Olympic Stadium, Toronto’s Rogers Centre, Edmonton’s Commonwealth Stadium and Vancouver’s B.C. Place Stadium. The latter two play host to CFL games.

In the interview, Waller talked up Canada as a future host of a regular-season “international” game, or games.

He added, however, that a “dark cloud” hangs over Canada regarding the CRTC’s decision to allow U.S. commercials to be shown during Sunday’s Super Bowl LI. More on that in a moment.

Following commissioner Roger Goodell’s annual pre-Super Bowl news conference, Waller told Postmedia that he and his team visited the four Canadian stadiums in person for two main reasons: first, to see if team locker rooms were sufficient, and secondly, to see if those venues meet NFL technological standards.

The NFL has not yet reached a conclusion on a Canadian venue, Waller said, nor does it disclose findings of such information missions.

The NFL is contracted to play at least three games annually in the United Kingdom through 2020. Four games will be played in England in 2017.

Goodell announced Wednesday a game this fall will be played in Mexico City for the second straight year.

In October 2015, Waller had said Canada is among the top candidate countries the league wants to expand to, after the U.K. and Mexico and probably Germany.

“We also visited a number of German cities (in 2016), just so you have that as context,” Waller said on Wednesday. “And we do that all the time. We’ve looked at stadiums in Brazil, I’ve looked at stadiums in Australia and China. That’s our job.”

But Waller is now stopping short of suggesting Germany remains ahead of Canada in the queue.

“I wouldn’t like to think of it as a pecking order, to be honest,” he said. “It’s very much looking at what teams we have available to play, and how many games we are already committed to.

“We have a great fan base up there in Canada. It’s a great market for us. I would love to be back there, and obviously from a logistical standpoint, a scheduling standpoint, a broadcast standpoint, that’s much easier for us than a game in Germany, and certainly a game in China. So I would have Canada high on the list.”

While it’s not easy for the league to free up enough willing teams to play in international games, Toronto and Montreal are only a short plane ride from many NFL teams situated in the U.S. Northeast.

In fact, for some NFL teams, Toronto and Montreal are a shorter flight away than one or more division rivals, just as Vancouver is much closer to Seattle than any of the Seahawks’ three NFC West foes.

“We’re pleased with the development of taking regular-games internationally,” Waller said. “But we want to go to more countries, and we want to go back to Canada. We’re very proud of the fact we have such a great fan base there.”

The NFL head office has one big issue with North America’s largest country by land mass, however.

“I think the only dark cloud for us at the moment is the CRTC ruling on the Super Bowl broadcast,” Waller said. “That impacts us very negatively.”

Bell Media owns English-language NFL telecast rights in Canada, and airs all playoff games — plus Sunday and Monday regular-season games — on its CTV or TSN family of channels.

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Old Posted Feb 2, 2017, 4:58 PM
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Boooo! Keep the NFL out of Canada. We have a good thing going with the CFL and don't need to have it ruined.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2017, 5:24 PM
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Boooo! Keep the NFL out of Canada. We have a good thing going with the CFL and don't need to have it ruined.
I also want to see the CFL survive and prosper, but I doubt there is much that can or would be done to keep them out.

In the 1970s, a new American league called the World Football League wanted to put a team in Toronto, and the feds stepped in and even drafted a bill to block it to protect the CFL.

But those were different times. Today, plenty of "patriotic" Canadians are anti-CFL and pro-NFL. There is no contradiction between the two any more (as there may have been back then), and I doubt governments or even the managers of stadiums would block NFL games or even a relocation.
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To me, that article screams that the NFL has run out of ways to "grow the game" in their home market and is now grasping at straws to expand the league.

Judging on how poorly the Buffalo Bills went over in Toronto a few years back (by NFL standards, albeit), I seriously doubt any team will make its way up here in the near future. As a novelty it might work for a bit, particularly in areas of Canada that are more passionate about football (the Prairies), but overall, I don't think there is a significant enough base of fans to fill a NFL caliber stadium for an entire season. Also, the CFL would object too.

The idea that Europe could host a team seems even more, uh, ambitious. As an interesting novelty once and a while, sure. As a part of the sports culture there, no way.

IMO, we've reached "peak sports". Between the 17 different sports channels covering everything from the NFL to professional darts, we are inundated. I understand that these leagues have to justify ever fancier billion dollar venues and salaries and that eternal growth is the motto, but I don't see the huge untapped market. In fact, I see market fatigue, if nothing else, as the latest version of the World Juniors proved this winter.
     
     
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Man o man I would LOVE to catch an NFL (Seahawks/Vikings/GB) at Commonwealth.
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I only watch a handful of NFL games a year...primarily when there is a hyped up matchup. Meanwhile, there is a good chance I'll turn on a irrelevant August Hamilton vs Winnipeg game on a Friday night and catch a portion of it.

I'd certainly buy tickets for a NFL game at commonwealth. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be far more successful than the flops that have been held in Toronto in recent years. It isn't a CFL v NFL thing. It's a city that shows up to support a wide variety of sporting events vs one that doesn't.
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I'd certainly buy tickets for a NFL game at commonwealth. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be far more successful than the flops that have been held in Toronto in recent years. It isn't a CFL v NFL thing. It's a city that shows up to support a wide variety of sporting events vs one that doesn't.
LOL. Let's plop an NBA, MLB and MLS team in Edmonton and see how great they all do, ticket prices at Toronto level.

Toronto sells out EVERY SINGLE Leafs, Raptors, TFC game and was 3rd in MLB attendance with 3.4 million total attendance. Good luck replicating that. Plus the city hosts more stuff in general, yearly WTA event, Indycar, PGA Tour (usually), etc. These are major high priced events not some random amateur broomball or something. It's a joke to even make the comparison.
     
     
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LOL. Let's plop an NBA, MLB and MLS team in Edmonton and see how great they all do, ticket prices at Toronto level.

Toronto sells out EVERY SINGLE Leafs, Raptors, TFC game and was 3rd in MLB attendance with 3.4 million total attendance. Good luck replicating that. Plus the city hosts more stuff in general, yearly WTA event, Indycar, PGA Tour (usually), etc. These are major high priced events not some random amateur broomball or something. It's a joke to even make the comparison.
He's referring to the Argonaut's terrible 12000 attendance average and how much trouble Toronto has had in selling international event tickets (IIHF, Pan-Am).
     
     
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That was the 2nd World Junior event in how many years? Ticket prices were insane, attendance was worse in Montreal, Toronto just hosted the World Cup of Hockey. I'll give you the Pan-Am games, I didn't pay attention to that myself. Perhaps it was a flop but then again most view that as a very poor man's Olympics?

As for the Argos. That is one of 5 major franchises that is struggling. The other 4 are doing remarkably well, all at the top of their respective leagues in support.

Leafs are 3rd in NHL attendance, capacity of 111%
Raptors are 3rd in NBA attendance, capacity of 100.4%
Blue Jays 3rd in MLB attendance, 3.4 million total attendance, capacity is moot as huge variance per MLB stadium size
TFC is 4th in MLS attendance, unsure of capacity.

MLB, NHL, NBA are 30 team leagues and Toronto is 3rd in all of them. MLS has 22 teams, TFC is 4th. That is remarkable but somehow doesn't matter because of the Argos?
     
     
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Blue Jays are a recent phenomenon.

I don't think your going to win any arguments arguing TO is a great sports city. Lots of cities in North America can support the same amount of pro teams and also have huge support for amature ncaa teams.....all while being much smaller than Toronto. Toronto's sport successes come from a huge population base, not a population that has an above average demand for sports.
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....plus the Argos is really the only team of relevance to a football discussion...
     
     
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....plus the Argos is really the only team of relevance to a football discussion...
Attendance at the Bills in Toronto series was nothing to write home about either.
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How many years did the Jays play to audiences like this?

Toronto isn't a city that supports teams unless they're successful.

     
     
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Toronto isn't a city that supports teams unless they're successful.
Like the Maple Leafs, right?
     
     
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