[Moncton] Dieppe Developments

[David_99]

Originally Posted by Budyser

Dieppe is doing a much better job at approving more modern contemporary designs than Moncton, IMO.

Agreed. Dieppe has picked up the ball where downtown Moncton has dropped it. Gordon & Dominion stumbled out of the gates, along with it's sister building, which has yet to break ground. The Harper project has so far failed while Five Five Queen is still in planning stages.

The Events Centre will help, but it's effect has missed the peak of the north to south NB gravy-train migration.

Expect more Dieppe-Moncton traffic conjection while Moncton continues to struggle with over saturated, single level parking lots.

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by David_99

Agreed. Dieppe has picked up the ball where downtown Moncton has dropped it. Gordon & Dominion stumbled out of the gates, along with it's sister building, which has yet to break ground. The Harper project has so far failed while Five Five Queen is still in planning stages.

The Events Centre will help, but it's effect has missed the peak of the north to south NB gravy-train migration.

Expect more Dieppe-Moncton traffic conjection while Moncton continues to struggle with over saturated, single level parking lots.

For the Corner of Gordon, and Dominion I assume you mean 25 Dominion, and as sister building Do you mean the one that was supposed to be built behind it (60 High{I think})... If so that project was taken off the table, and the land was listed for sale by owner (Note: Not certain if it has been sold, or still for sale). a Section of the land is currently being used as Monthly pay parking.

But I do agree with you that it seem Dieppe is quicker on the trigger then Moncton when it comes to potential projects. In fact I think there are a few apartment buildings approved to be built on Gauvin Road actually.

[stephan.richard]

Originally Posted by Scarface

For the Corner of Gordon, and Dominion I assume you mean 25 Dominion, and as sister building Do you mean the one that was supposed to be built behind it (60 High{I think})... If so that project was taken off the table, and the land was listed for sale by owner (Note: Not certain if it has been sold, or still for sale). a Section of the land is currently being used as Monthly pay parking.

But I do agree with you that it seem Dieppe is quicker on the trigger then Moncton when it comes to potential projects. In fact I think there are a few apartment buildings approved to be built on Gauvin Road actually.

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I agree with the last paragraph in this post. I think that Dieppe is quicker on the switch than moncton on getting projects up and running.

With the development of a confirmed hotel in the downtown core of the city and also the possibility of another hotel being built close to Champlain Place bodes great for the city and other possible projects.

Moncton on the other hand I think it's the hesitation of city council to move key files forward but I think the city is more focused on the event center at the moment.

[habskilla]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The new Starbucks on Acadie Ave is now open (Starbucks #7 for greater Moncton).

The drive thru looked very busy as I was driving by this morning, even more busy than the Timmies next door!!!

Don't take line-up length as a indication of being busy. It's takes a lot longer to prepare a "Grande, Iced, Sugar-Free, Vanilla Latte With Soy Milk" than it does to serve a medium DD

[MonctonRad]

In discussions with a generally reliable source:

1) - Steele Auto Group is indeed interested in expanding to Moncton. As previously reported, they are in "phase one" of a three phase plan to locate a Jaguar/Porsche/Land Rover dealership in the Hub City. Phase one is the current permanent showroom at Champlain Place. This venture remains successful, with 15-20 auto sales per month. Newly purchased cars are delivered to the (Steele associated) Subaru dealership to be picked up by their new owners.

I now know what "phase two" is going to be. This will be a travelling mechanic who will provide service to Jag, Porsche and Land Rover vehicles based out of the Subaru dealership. I don't know when this service will start or how often the mechanic will be on site, but this should allow basic repairs and routine maintenance to be carried out in Moncton rather than in Halifax.

Phase three will be the actual construction of a full fledged Jaguar/Porsche/Land Rover dealership. It will be located on the vacant lot between the Subaru dealership and Malley Industries. Provided interest remains high, expect this dealership to be operational in 3-5 years time.

2) - Tri Star Motors is apparently also very interested in a Moncton Mercedes dealership. Their plans are being expedited, presumably because of the impending increased competition from Jaguar and Porsche. My source says that they have either purchased or are interested in land on Aviation Avenue directly across from the Acura dealership. The new Moncton Mercedes dealership may be up and running within three years.

So, with the existing Mazda, BMW/Mini, Subaru and Acura dealerships, the impending Audi/Volkswagen dealership and the heavily rumoured Jaguar/Porsche/Land Rover and Mercedes dealerships, it would appear that Aviation Avenue has become the "go to" place for non North American auto sales in the greater Moncton area.........

[OliverD]

Presumably there would be two dealerships: Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar. I think most Porsche stores in Canada are now standalone or soon will be.

Those 15-20 sales per month seem suspect though. That sounds very high.

Edit: No talk of Volvo coming to Moncton? That would seem pretty logical.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by OliverD

Presumably there would be two dealerships: Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar. I think most Porsche stores in Canada are now standalone or soon will be.

The current showroom at Champlain Place displays all three vehicle lines side by side. I would find it very difficult to believe there would be a standalone building for Porsche in Moncton. The market just isn't that large. Maybe Steele will get special dispensation from Porsche.

Originally Posted by OliverD

Those 15-20 sales per month seem suspect though. That sounds very high.

I've spoken to the Steele sales associate at Champlain Place myself, and he told me about 15 units per month as well. This is also what he told my contact. Of course, he could be lying through his teeth in order to make it seem that there is overwhelming interest in order to boost his sales.

Originally Posted by OliverD

Edit: No talk of Volvo coming to Moncton? That would seem pretty logical.

Nope, I've not heard a thing about Volvo. They used to sell Volvo in Moncton about 25 years ago though.........

[OliverD]

The reason I question the sales is that the three brands barely crest 1000 sales a month in Canada in total. Last year Jaguar-Land Rover averaged 750 sales per month and Porsche 535. 15-20 a month in a small, relatively poor market like southeast NB is a lot.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by OliverD

The reason I question the sales is that the three brands barely crest 1000 sales a month in Canada in total. Last year Jaguar-Land Rover averaged 750 sales per month and Porsche 535. 15-20 a month in a small, relatively poor market like southeast NB is a lot.

It's more than SE NB though. When I talked to the sales representative, he mentioned that he had sold vehicles to customers from PEI and the Acadian Peninsula as well. I would think the catchment area for a Moncton dealership would be all of NB and PEI, which is about 900,000 people.

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's more than SE NB though. When I talked to the sales representative, he mentioned that he had sold vehicles to customers from PEI and the Acadian Peninsula as well. I would think the catchment area for a Moncton dealership would be all of NB and PEI, which is about 900,000 people.

Sure, but the further away you go the fewer sales you have, for obvious reasons. It's only a very small portion of the population that is willing to purchase vehicles and not be able to service them somewhat locally.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by OliverD

Sure, but the further away you go the fewer sales you have, for obvious reasons. It's only a very small portion of the population that is willing to purchase vehicles and not be able to service them somewhat locally.

Agreed, but un pecheur from la peninsule would still be far more likely to get his Porsche in Moncton than Halifax, n'est pas?

Some of those crab fishermen up there are millionaires and wouldn't mind having a couple of high end vehicles to go down to the wharf in........

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by OliverD

The reason I question the sales is that the three brands barely crest 1000 sales a month in Canada in total. Last year Jaguar-Land Rover averaged 750 sales per month and Porsche 535. 15-20 a month in a small, relatively poor market like southeast NB is a lot.

1000 sales per 33,000,000 (Canada Pop) is 1 sale per 33,000 people per month.

Moncton doing 15-20 sales/month would imply they are doing enough sales to cover 500,000-660,000 people. With NB and PEI as the catchment areas, that does seem about right, even roughly accounting for there being less money available in the region.

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

1000 sales per 33,000,000 (Canada Pop) is 1 sale per 33,000 people per month.

Moncton doing 15-20 sales/month would imply they are doing enough sales to cover 500,000-660,000 people. With NB and PEI as the catchment areas, that does seem about right, even roughly accounting for there being less money available in the region.

Luxury car sales don't work that way though. They're highly concentrated in larger cities and proximity to service facilities is important.

It's tough to find sales stats for individual dealers but before Mercedes Winnipeg moved to a new location they were selling ~350 cars a year: http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/05/08/booming-benz-business-prompts-move-to-new-flagship-store And that's a brand that is much more popular (regularly selling over 3000 cars a month) in a larger market.

I'm pretty confident that 15-20 sales per month is pure hyperbole. Maybe it happened once? If they were selling that many regularly they would have already broken ground on a new dealership.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

In discussions with a generally reliable source:



2) - Tri Star Motors is apparently also very interested in a Moncton Mercedes dealership. Their plans are being expedited, presumably because of the impending increased competition from Jaguar and Porsche. My source says that they have either purchased or are interested in land on Aviation Avenue directly across from the Acura dealership. The new Moncton Mercedes dealership may be up and running within three years.

Would it mean the last nail in the coffin for the dearlership in Saint John? I have hard time to believe two Mercedes dealerships could survive side by side in a small and limited segment market. Moncton is growing and is well established, it should come as no surprise.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by ErickMontreal

Would it mean the last nail in the coffin for the dearlership in Saint John? I have hard time to believe two Mercedes dealerships could survive side by side in a small and limited segment market. Moncton is growing and is well established, it should come as no surprise.

That's not what I was implying. How is Tri Star doing in SJ? Are they generally successful?

I got the impression from my source that Tri Star was just trying to grow their market share in Moncton. There are lots of BMWs on the road here, but not many Mercedes. If there was a local dealership here, I'm sure they could increase their market share. I think Tri Star feels some urgency in getting established in Moncton before Jaguar and Porsche arrive. That's why they may be looking into setting up a dealership here, not because they're abandoning SJ.

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by ErickMontreal

Would it mean the last nail in the coffin for the dearlership in Saint John? I have hard time to believe two Mercedes dealerships could survive side by side in a small and limited segment market. Moncton is growing and is well established, it should come as no surprise.

Hard to say. In the past couple of years Mercedes has introduced new lower priced models (sedan and crossover) at the low end of their range which have driven much of their recent growth. They've also expanded their commercial vehicle offerings with a new smaller van this year. Sales have tripled in Canada since ten years ago. So maybe two dealerships in NB makes some sense.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

That's not what I was implying. How is Tri Star doing in SJ? Are they generally successful?

I got the impression from my source that Tri Star was just trying to grow their market share in Moncton. There are lots of BMWs on the road here, but not many Mercedes. If there was a local dealership here, I'm sure they could increase their market share. I think Tri Star feels some urgency in getting established in Moncton before Jaguar and Porsche arrive. That's why they may be looking into setting up a dealership here, not because they're abandoning SJ.

It is hard to tell but from what I can see, they seem to be doing fine.

Your perspective makes sense, Moncton is the larger market and they want a piece of it.

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

That's not what I was implying. How is Tri Star doing in SJ? Are they generally successful?

I think they are. There's quite a few MBs in Fredericton even, and the dealership received a pretty thorough renovation ten years ago or so.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by OliverD

Hard to say. In the past couple of years Mercedes has introduced new lower priced models (sedan and crossover) at the low end of their range which have driven much of their recent growth. They've also expanded their commercial vehicle offerings with a new smaller van this year. Sales have tripled in Canada since ten years ago. So maybe two dealerships in NB makes some sense.

Surprising, I did not know sales tripled ! Well, if they can increase their sales to a point of offsetting the overhead of two dealerships, it would make sense.

[pierremoncton]

T&T is reporting that the proposed apartment building on Sunset St is 7 storeys, not 10: https://www.telegraphjournal.com/times-transcript/story/46176879/big-apartment-project-eyes

Presentation at council tomorrow evening.