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Yeah, it's part of the North Bay along with the bulk of the wine country. Wouldn't want to commute from Petaluma to SF though...
Taking the ferry and SMART would be neat!
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With the naked eye it is possible to see Salesforce Tower from Sonoma County. I saw it from the 37, right down on the Bay. The idea that Sonoma County is not part of the CSA is ludicrous.
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With the naked eye it is possible to see Salesforce Tower from Sonoma County. I saw it from the 37, right down on the Bay. The idea that Sonoma County is not part of the CSA is ludicrous.
So maybe that is the SF skyline from the Napa River Bridge, although I think it might just be the refineries around Richmond or something.
Napa county is actually further away from SF than Sonoma...yet Napa is still in the CSA? lol
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So maybe that is the SF skyline from the Napa River Bridge, although I think it might just be the refineries around Richmond or something.
Napa county is actually further away from SF than Sonoma...yet Napa is still in the CSA? lol
Next they'll split "San" from "Francisco" and place each into separate CSAs.
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How many other metros share the title with a city that is the 10th largest in the county of that metro?

Salt Lake City-Murray is interesting. Murray is a suburb of Salt Lake and has a population of about 50,000 - making it the 10th largest actual city in Salt Lake County. The second-largest, West Valley City, at almost 140,000, doesn't even get to be added to the metro name!

I'm guessing it's due to Murray being home to Intermountain Medical Center, which is the second-largest medical center in the area next to the University of Utah Hospital (not counting the Huntsman Cancer Institute). Probably a lot of people coming into Murray to work there? I don't know.
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How many other metros share the title with a city that is the 10th largest in the county of that metro?

Salt Lake City-Murray is interesting. Murray is a suburb of Salt Lake and has a population of about 50,000 - making it the 10th largest actual city in Salt Lake County. The second-largest, West Valley City, at almost 140,000, doesn't even get to be added to the metro name!

I'm guessing it's due to Murray being home to Intermountain Medical Center, which is the second-largest medical center in the area next to the University of Utah Hospital (not counting the Huntsman Cancer Institute). Probably a lot of people coming into Murray to work there? I don't know.
For the Sacramento MSA, they have it Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville Metropolitan Statistical Area. Elk Grove is the 2nd most populous city in the county and number 26 in California. Roseville is the most populated for Placer and 36th in population, meanwhile Arden-Arcade isn't even an incorporated city.
Elk Grove had explosive growth in the 90's and 2000's, so maybe that's why? I have no idea how the naming works but it should be the Sacramento-Elk Grove-Roseville MSA.
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^ Yeah. EG needs some love! It’s growing quick. Mostly sprawl though.
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Driving-wise, Merced is much closer to the entrance of Yosemite Park than it is to the southern-most neighborhood of San Jose. You have to traverse backcountry roads for 50 miles to get to Los Banos, which is the second largest city in the county and just east of the Pacheco Pass.

Having driven up to the Bay Area more times than I can count on two hands, interchanging from the 5 to the Pacheco Pass and passing the San Luis Reservoir always signified that "civilization" was approaching — Gilroy indicating that the Bay Area was in close proximity. So, I think the commute from Los Banos to a job in San Jose is tolerable. Merced not so much.
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There's so much migration from the Bay Area to Sacramento it's creating a 'megaregion'
By Tessa McLean
July 31, 2023

At least three people in Jose Medina’s Sacramento neighborhood have moved there from the Bay Area in recent years. And those are just the ones he knows of. Medina, too, is a transplant — and since relocating from Oakland in 2021, he said he’s had an additional seven friends move to the city or its surrounding areas.

The Bay Area exodus may be mostly a myth, but the trend of people moving inland, leaving coastal metros in search of more space at better prices, is growing. There are more people moving to Sacramento from the Bay Area than anywhere else in the country, according to Redfin data. People moving from the Bay Area to Sacramento isn’t a new phenomenon, but COVID-19 sped up a process that experts say was inevitable, and it could have long-lasting effects on the state.

In 2020 alone, migration between San Francisco County and Sacramento County grew 70% from the previous year, a CBRE report concluded. The Sacramento region is projected to grow another 4% in the next 5 years, largely buoyed by this continued migration.

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The “megaregion” and the resulting demographic shifts will have an outsized impact on traffic and infrastructure, creating new needs for California’s future. While the study showed there was a small dip in the proportion of people commuting to the Bay Area from Sacramento County, the percentage of people “supercommuting” — defined as a commute of more than 50 miles — had grown from 17% in 2008 to 20% in 2018. That percentage grew in every Central Valley county studied and is likely to continue as high-wage earners with jobs centered in the coastal metros seek larger homes inland.

Seva Rodnyansky, a research specialist on the project, said if this increased migration continues, it could present problems for state agencies, which will be forced to work together to provide the necessary infrastructure. “The more seats at the table, the harder it is to deal with specific concerns,” he said.

The issues are not limited to Sacramento and the surrounding suburbs, according to Rodnyansky, and his research suggests the megaregion could stretch all the way to Fresno. Past Sacramento, people are also spreading out to surrounding El Dorado and Amador counties, where they will likely face challenges they’re not prepared for, like managing their land for increasing wildfire risk.

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For many Sacramento transplants still working in the Bay Area, the pain of a supercommute is worth finally being able to own their own homes. Ceramics teacher Michelle Kern and her husband are in their 50s and had never been able to afford a home in the Bay Area. When the pandemic hit, they were cramped in a one-bedroom apartment in Burlingame; they thought about moving back to Oakland, but it wasn’t affordable anymore. They started looking for a place in Sacramento in August 2020, at a friend’s recommendation. By October, they had purchased a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home with a front and backyard for less than their budget.

When her classes returned to in-person, Kern began making the supercommute back to the Peninsula, staying with her mother in San Mateo for a few days each week. She said it’s not a long-term solution and she does a lot of instruction via Zoom.

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Peter Clarke spent a few years of his early twenties in Sacramento, before getting a job in the Bay Area. When the pandemic hit and he and his wife had a baby, they tried to find a bigger apartment in San Francisco, but it just didn’t make economic sense. In 2022, they chose to move back to Sacramento to be closer to his wife’s parents.

Clarke said they love living in the heart of a city — their last San Francisco place was next to Dolores Park — so their main caveat was finding a place with “some kind of walkability.” He said they “lucked out” to find a place in the midtown neighborhood of Sacramento. “If we hadn’t found that type of place, we may not have moved,” he said.

“I definitely miss the big city vibe; there’s just an energy and a vibe to a big city. Sacramento just feels sleepy,” he said. “If I was a couple years younger, it would be pretty boring.”

Still, that’s not stopping anyone — and may even be part of the appeal. “Everyone I know from the Bay Area knows someone here or has friends moving here,” he said.
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Darn you, I was thinking of posting this!
SF-San Jose-Sacramento-Oakland-Fresno-Stockton CSA?

edit: the forum had a name for it but I can't remember....MegaloNorCal or something?
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Adding Sacramento to the Bay Area would vastly improve upon the Bay's craft beer scene. I'll allow it...
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Adding Sacramento to the Bay Area would vastly improve upon the Bay's craft beer scene. I'll allow it...
Somehow Sonoma would still not be allowed in the Bay Area.
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Yep, this is definitely a thing. I lived in Sacramento for 3 years but that was over a decade ago---even back then there was a ton of movement from the Bay Area to there, and that trend has only accelerated since then.

The OMB needs to come up with a new designation with criteria that measures these kinds of megaregions--it can't just be based on opinion, but actual quantifiable, measurable data--commuting is the obvious factor.
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Mercer county is still part of NYC CSA? Philadelphia homers in shambles.
They should just make Philadelphia as part of NYC CSA and get it over with.
They should just make NYC part of the Philadelphia CSA and get it over with!
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Yep, this is definitely a thing. I lived in Sacramento for 3 years but that was over a decade ago---even back then there was a ton of movement from the Bay Area to there, and that trend has only accelerated since then.

The OMB needs to come up with a new designation with criteria that measures these kinds of megaregions--it can't just be based on opinion, but actual quantifiable, measurable data--commuting is the obvious factor.
I would think that this is a decades long trend. Interior cities like Sacramento have long seen such migration from pricier coastal city neighbors.
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I would think that this is a decades long trend. Interior cities like Sacramento have long seen such migration from pricier coastal city neighbors.
Indeed, but I think it's been amplified by new post-pandemic flexible commute patterns made possible by remote work.
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They should just make NYC part of the Philadelphia CSA and get it over with!
Lol, true high speed rail and keep home values low and you just might get your wish in a few decades. Philadelphia can do to NYC what San Jose did to San Francisco. Of course this is all in jest.
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Sonoma County has now been removed from the Bay Area CSA
This seems silly to me.
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^ Nvm, confused Sonoma county with Solano county.
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