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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 7:31 PM
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I do like that 70s modernist building, but on the flip side, I don't think you can always preserve everything.
Then again, that 70s modernist tower is probably more worthwhile saving than the houses over at Joie in the General Vancouver thread.
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I think it was built in 1986?
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Who is the developer submitting this application?
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I would've done this:

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I think it was built in 1986?
It was. Oberto Oberti designed it, 14 units, 2.4FSR. The Lord Stanley Tower (that might be redeveloped for the Westbank Bing Thom tower) is from 1980, 2.7FSR and much more interesting to my eye, with the cantilevered balconies. That was designed by Field, Hong & Associates.
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I would've done this:

That's not possible because the tops are cut due to shadowing impacts on the Bayshore park.

To be sympathetic to the older concrete structure, I think a lighter glass structure would contrast nicely.
I don't think heavy next to heavy would work, and I wouldn't cantilever above the older structure.

If they were to preserve the older building (in its entirety), they would have to completely reconsider the "raze the site and build my vision" approach
and factor in compatibility / contrast / blending with the older structure. You can't do that after the fact (ie you can't just modify the present scheme).
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https://shapeyourcity.ca/1728-albern...735-bidwell-st ... Virtual open house: February 22 to March 14, 2021
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The best part is the mall podium portion. That is a stroke of genius design, especially with the skylight high above.
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that is one gorgeous proposal for Vancouver by Bosa. 1700 Alberni, designed by Heatherwick.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYkIYiyPNWG/


Thanks for the link to the updated renders.

This thread for it had fallen a ways back on page 2 since there hadn't been anything new for a while.



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Oh no! Is the old design with the narrow necks at the base gone???
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Thanks for the link to the updated renders.

This thread for it had fallen a ways back on page 2 since there hadn't been anything new for a while.



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This is triggering that weird phobia I read about
(Tryphophobia - NSFL)
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Not feeling the latest design update. I liked the warmer palette of the initial version, as well as the "neck" feature and the brutalist elements that are both appropriate for the west end while also creating some contrast because of this building's condo nature.

What i don't like about the new version is this emphasis on the balconies (playing with balconies is becoming a crutch for architectural expression) and the green which may appear dangerously close to seafoam. The complex now looks like a big green mass with little delimiting between the forms (towers and base). I'm also tired of being beat over the head with the colour green to represent sustainability and ecologic design (which, going out on a limb here, might be the intent). The podium having the same treatment as the towers is too much, I would've preferred how the base distinguished the two towers, as it was originally. Sigh.
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I actually like that design. It has that Mid-Century/Retro-futuristic look into it.
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To clarify, I do like this design, I just wish it didn’t come at the loss of the previous design.

The previous had a nice retro 60s beachside vibe for me with its warmer color palette.

This has a very 1950’s futurist vibe. Could be the HQ for the Men in Black.

Both designs have a fascinatingly “organic” feel to them.
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This is triggering that weird phobia I read about
(Tryphophobia - NSFL)
Oh, man, that hand gave me the shivers!

I think the new design:
- looks more futuristic
- looks more "west coast"
- it's not obviously "sculpted by view cones"
- will be more readily accepted by purchasers

I'm wondering if that's green paint or just oddly coloured shadows.
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That perfect blend of futurist Modern. Reminds me of Douglas Cardinal's work for some reason.
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Having seen the initial, non public design before what was released to the public as the "initial design", this revision is a welcome addition as there's an inherent improvement and emphasis on the materiality and overall quality albeit at the expense of the massing and original concept.

This looks to be a typical tower on podium design and the central public plaza seems to be completely enclosed with units above in the podium; the previous designs had multiple interior terraces and skylights above the plaza.

The non public design basically had a similar massing but the towers were a dense extrusion of oblique pixelated tubes with curved glazing on each of the tube. Each facade of the tower probably had around ten of these tubes so you can only imagine the cost of it. Detailing was similar with terrazzo and bronze. The podium was basically your typical Heatherwick waffle structure but followed the same density of the oblique grid of the tower above, similar to their Toranomon-Azabudai project in Tokyo except at a much higher density.

The green terracotta cladding on this iteration will most probably be similar to The Fitzroy in New York designed by Roman and Williams and developed by JDS. I'd assume a similar tone of green if not lighter. Here's some close up shots of the terracotta used on the Fitzroy: https://bostonvalley.com/in-the-fact...glazed-facade/

111 West 57th Street by SHoP and JDS is also another example of how terracotta cladding can look nowadays. There's deliberate modulation in the panels to create a moiré effect from afar.

In either case, I'd assume the terracotta to be glossy in these contemporary examples rather than matte like in older towers such as the Woolworth Building








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Old Posted Jan 11, 2022, 1:11 AM
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Nice, thanks.

PS - I wonder if those vertical channels that seem to penetrate the balconies are intended to act an conduits draining water from the balconies?
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To clarify, I do like this design, I just wish it didn’t come at the loss of the previous design...
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...What i don't like about the new version is this emphasis on the balconies (playing with balconies is becoming a crutch for architectural expression) and the green which may appear dangerously close to seafoam. The complex now looks like a big green mass with little delimiting between the forms (towers and base). I'm also tired of being beat over the head with the colour green to represent sustainability and ecologic design (which, going out on a limb here, might be the intent). The podium having the same treatment as the towers is too much, I would've preferred how the base distinguished the two towers, as it was originally. Sigh.
Agreed about balconies being an overused crutch in general. It can be forgiven in this case given everything else. Not sure why seafoam green is automatically bad regardless of the actual material? This has the colour of pre-patinated copper. Whether it's that or terracotta as another suggested, looks extremely expensive for residential. The organic language of both the current and previous design lends itself to consistency between podium and tower. Much better than something like the Cardero or Deloitte Summit where a striking tower pattern/massing sits on top of an under-designed podium.
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