New BC Political Discussion - POST BC Election 2017

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Exactly. Clark flip-flopped on her party's core principles as a last ditch attempt to stay in power. Letting her stay in power after adopting popular NDP policies would be a betrayal to the majority of voters who wanted her out.

But that's just putting spin on what was a loss for all parties. The majority of voters didn't vote for any single party. Even less voters chose any other party than Clark's.

I voted Green for the first time. I expected them to live up to Weaver's claims and enable legislation on a per-issue basis, not to vote down their own policies just to be kingmakers.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Zassk

But that's just putting spin on what was a loss for all parties. The majority of voters didn't vote for any single party. Even less voters chose any other party than Clark's.

That's just wrong and confusing to boot. 40.36% of voters were for Clark, the majority wanted Clark out.

It's not spin to say Clark abandoned her party principles to stay in power, at all. She literally did that, and pissed off a lot of BC Liberal voters in the process. I'd be pissed off if the NDP went hard right to save their bacon too - I didn't vote for them federally after they tried to go right of the Liberals.

I voted Green for the first time. I expected them to live up to Weaver's claims and enable legislation on a per-issue basis, not to vote down their own policies just to be kingmakers.

OK then you should be happy that Weaver stuck with the party that actually is for doing things that he wants to do instead of the one that is ideologically opposed. Anyone who thinks the BC Liberals were actually going to betray their base is crazy. That's where the money is.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Zassk

I voted Green for the first time. I expected them to live up to Weaver's claims and enable legislation on a per-issue basis, not to vote down their own policies just to be kingmakers.

They've already said they're doing that. As an early example, Weaver's said that should the NDP introduce legislation to remove the secret ballot when people are voting to form a union, they'll vote against that legislation.

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by Pinion

That's just wrong and confusing to boot. 40.36% of voters were for Clark, the majority wanted Clark out.

And an even bigger majority didn't want Horgan to be premier. How is it helpful to cherrypick one party's popular vote as you are doing? It's not.

The truth is the voters didn't hand Horgan a mandate to govern. He gets his chance to govern because the alternative is worse (another snap election), and he voted non-confidence in his own policies to do it.

This is why I fear election reform will go nowhere. I think most people actually like the fact that our system allows a large minority (40 to 45%) to elect a majority government.

People like certainty. I think most people actually prefer majority governments.

I think people would be unhappy with electoral reform if they realized every election would produce minority governments and required governing through alliances, as we see in many other countries.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Zassk

I think people would be unhappy with electoral reform if they realized every election would produce minority governments and required governing through alliances, as we see in many other countries.

Hmm so politicians have to work together instead of getting to force through their ideological policies - and that's a bad thing?

[Sheba]

Tomorrow's the day - Horgan will be sworn in as premier and we should get news on the NDP cabinet soon after. Now's the time to start getting worked up over what's going to happen.

[IanS]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Hmm so politicians have to work together instead of getting to force through their ideological policies - and that's a bad thing?

IMO, the problem is not so much politicians having to work together and compromise, but rather that the system may force a compromise with, and thus magnify the power of, some pretty undesirable parties.

[waves]

Originally Posted by IanS

IMO, the problem is not so much politicians having to work together and compromise, but rather that the system may force a compromise with, and thus magnify the power of, some pretty undesirable parties.

The Liberal Party over the past 16 years haven't had to consider anyone else during their governance. Magnification much?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by IanS

IMO, the problem is not so much politicians having to work together and compromise, but rather that the system may force a compromise with, and thus magnify the power of, some pretty undesirable parties.

Define "undesireable" - all three parties have good, bad AND stupid ideas.

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Tomorrow's the day - Horgan will be sworn in as premier and we should get news on the NDP cabinet soon after. Now's the time to start getting worked up over what's going to happen.

Actually surprised that "Say anything John" is going to be premier. The $400 renters rebate and a no-go on the Massey Tunnel, amongst other things like farm road Highway 1, is typical socialist agenda. Always feeding into the philosophy that those who are wealthy did it on the backbone of hard middle class workers, the NDP will have more equalization payments for welfare bums and addicts. Rather than admitting that the wealthy and even the middle class simply made more voluntary transactions or submitted their skilled labor in the free market than anyone else, the NDP will ensure the average person will pay more taxes than anything else.

[IanS]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Define "undesireable" - all three parties have good, bad AND stupid ideas.

I was thinking more of the kind of fringe parties who would never otherwise have any power under the current system, say like the National Front in France, the Sweden Democrats or the Christian Heritage Party here in BC. I was not referring to any of the Liberals, NDP or Green parties.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by IanS

I was thinking more of the kind of fringe parties who would never otherwise have any power under the current system, say like the National Front in France, the Sweden Democrats or the Christian Heritage Party here in BC. I was not referring to any of the Liberals, NDP or Green parties.

The CHP got 0.17% of the vote in 2017. Even if we had pure proportional representation where each party gets seats based on their popular vote percentage, the CHP would get 0 seats (they'd be entitled to 0.15 seats). Hell, the Conservative party wouldn't even get a seat even if you rounded up as they'd be entitled to 0.46 seats.

[Sheba]

From @richardzussman

[whatnext]

Looks like another nail in the Christy Clark legacy coffin: the Petronas LNG project which she futilely promised would bring untold riches to BC has been cancelled. Long term low prices for LNG to blame.
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...-prince-rupert

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Looks like another nail in the Christy Clark legacy coffin: the Petronas LNG project which she futilely promised would bring untold riches to BC has been cancelled. Long term low prices for LNG to blame.
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...-prince-rupert

That's bad news for BC. And the new government isn't exactly going to help the business atmosphere for projects like this.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Looks like another nail in the Christy Clark legacy coffin: the Petronas LNG project which she futilely promised would bring untold riches to BC has been cancelled. Long term low prices for LNG to blame.
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...-prince-rupert

Well at least we know for future reference that the NDP is not to blame for the LNG downfall.

Eventually when the Liberal diehards inevitably try to spin it on the NDP and make it seem like their fault we have some real facts to look at.

Bookmark page 4 of this thread!

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Well at least we know for future reference that the NDP is not to blame for the LNG downfall.

Eventually when the Liberal diehards inevitably try to spin it on the NDP and make it seem like their fault we have some real facts to look at.

Bookmark page 4 of this thread!

"Eventually"? This article really plays up the BC NDP's "contribution" to this decision, when giving lip service to that played by the BC Liberals. It's astonishing that a party that has been in power for ten days can cause a huge multinational company to come to a snap decision like this, right?

[Caliplanner1]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

Actually surprised that "Say anything John" is going to be premier. The $400 renters rebate and a no-go on the Massey Tunnel, amongst other things like farm road Highway 1, is typical socialist agenda. Always feeding into the philosophy that those who are wealthy did it on the backbone of hard middle class workers, the NDP will have more equalization payments for welfare bums and addicts. Rather than admitting that the wealthy and even the middle class simply made more voluntary transactions or submitted their skilled labor in the free market than anyone else, the NDP will ensure the average person will pay more taxes than anything else.

While I respect your personal opinion,...your line of reasoning seems to suggest that the economy is more so atomistic (in its individualistic essence) than one that is organic/interconnected/interdependent in nature (with the exception being of course when you seek to use the COLLECTIVE/organic-based explanation of -ONLY blaming- government for one's poverty)!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by lubicon

That's bad news for BC. And the new government isn't exactly going to help the business atmosphere for projects like this.

It was never going to happen, regardless of who was in power. Christy's promised LNG billions was just a mirage, based on outdated thinking.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by whatnext

It was never going to happen, regardless of who was in power. Christy's promised LNG billions was just a mirage, based on outdated thinking.

So Christy managed to convince dozens of large multinationals to spend literally tens of billions to design projects all for her own mirage?

Damn, that's impressive.

Amazing she is that proficent at manipulating huge sophisticated companies but couldn't win a small provincial election.