PNE/Hastings Park Renewal | Approved - Page 4

Metro-One · #61 Posted **Dec 14, 2010, 11:17 PM**

It better pass.

What a one sided article. Not everything in this city needs to be a "green pasture park."

Can they not see that the park serves a far better purpose in its entertainment and cultural values to the residents of BC in remaining an amusement park / civic centre / etc...

When I was a teenager going to Playland was an annual summer highlight fro my friends and I (and countless others I knew at school).

This guy wants to take that away from our youth / families?

Think about how great fright nights has become! (which I go to every year) in regards to entertainment now.

We need to cling on to all the variety we have!

Also, if Playland is expanding does that mean more rides? And if so I truly hope they build a new roller coaster.

SpongeG · #62 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 1:25 AM**

it did pass just reported on global news

SpongeG · #63 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 1:26 AM**

Big changes coming to PNE and Playland

VANCOUVER/CKNW AM 980
Janet Brown | Email news tips to Janet
12/14/2010

After lenghty debate, Vancouver council has passed the Hastings Park Master plan.

It will see significant changes to the PNE and Playland.

This is a 20 year plan and it is calling for the addition of 150 thousand square feet of new buildings at the PNE, and increasing Playland's acreage by roughly 60 percent.

That means more rides.

The plan also triples green space in the park.

Cope councillors Ellen Woodsworth and David Cadman voted against the plan along with the NPA's Suzanne Anton.

They all say the northeast sector of the city doesn't have enough green space as it is, and the plan also fails to meet the cities environmental goals.

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http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/New...spx?ID=1327429

GeeCee · #64 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 2:16 AM**

Awesome news!

wrenegade · #65 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 2:39 AM**

This is all fine and good, but where does the money come from to start paying for this?

Tolls on the bike lanes?

Millennium2002 · #66 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 3:39 AM**

I'm beginning to feel a bit annoyed. Green space? The dissenting councillors want more green space? Why not just bulldoze the entire park..., plant grass all around, and cause everyone to riot afterward due to the lack of entertainment. Sheesh.

SpongeG · #67 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 3:52 AM**

it will be greener but they are fixated on the buildings being added for the PNE which are going to go in crappy non park areas anyway of the plans are close

Millennium2002 · #68 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 4:09 AM**

Sigh. I guess that's why very little gets done here in Vancouver... because people keep looking at the freaking minor details without considering the big picture. This is probably a sentiment that has been mentioned already but I'm only beginning to realize how much of a fuss it creates.

hollywoodnorth · #69 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 4:39 AM**

great stuff!

SpikePhanta · #70 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 5:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by allan_kuan

Sigh. I guess that's why very little gets done here in Vancouver... because people keep looking at the freaking minor details without considering the big picture. This is probably a sentiment that has been mentioned already but I'm only beginning to realize how much of a fuss it creates.

Wasn't Vancouver known in the past for looking at the bigger picture?
Many people praised Vancouver on its civic planning and zoning, but it seems like now its a mess.....

SpongeG · #71 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 5:54 AM**

the residents want the thing turned into stanley park - they want it all gone - but its not like they moved into the area not knowing the PNE and all that was there its been there for decades

SpikePhanta · #72 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 6:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

the residents want the thing turned into stanley park - they want it all gone - but its not like they moved into the area not knowing the PNE and all that was there its been there for decades

Like the people complaining about the trains and the tracks,

golog · #73 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 7:11 AM**

does anyone know if they still have to fill that manmade lake with tap-water (was a mini-scandal when parks board was filling it up during drought warnings and water restrictions)

the plan looks fine to me, but add one more vote to the "where is the money supposed to come from" pile

mr.x · #74 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 7:29 AM**

Thank god it went through....although I do have suspicions that some of the councillors who voted against it were secretly for the proposal, but since there would be enough votes to have it go through they wanted to make a fuss over it just for the sake of getting future votes from certain special interests.

There's tons of green space in the area, I really don't see the need to have even more money draining green space that goes unused anywhere in the city.

Vancity · #75 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 10:52 AM**

I don't understand Vancouver's obsession on being 'greener'. goodness sakes. why don't they just demolish all buildings, and just plant trees everywhere. we can live in mud huts, and under trees. yay.

city-dweller · #76 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 5:26 PM**

Vancouver's "greenism" isn't really the problem. Its the NIMBYism. Right now green and sustainability is really vogue in politics. So, its more about complaining about something that will get attention.

Vancity · #77 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by city-dweller

Vancouver's "greenism" isn't really the problem. Its the NIMBYism. Right now green and sustainability is really vogue in politics. So, its more about complaining about something that will get attention.

Definitely that. I don't understand how the city is so fearful of these people who seem to always complain about 'progress'. anyone heard of a redevelopment on Granville and 57th ave?

GMasterAres · #78 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 7:54 PM**

What I don't get is that the PNE has been there for how long? A lot of people complaining against the plan in the radio and in the news were stating "You don't know how loud it can be to live beside teh PNE grounds!"

Well. Firstly, the PNE has been on those grounds for 100 years.

Secondly the Pacific Coliseum was built in 1968 and hosted the Canucks for many years.

Then you have Playland which had rides as early as 1960 and has been in fairly full force since I was a kid so 20+ years.

Then you have the Agrodome which was built in 1963 and Empire Stadium in 1954.

Finally, you have the heart of the area, the racecourse which openned as East Park in 1889 so before any human being living around Hastings Park were born. Hell probably before most of their grandparents were born.

This is what I wish the news and or councillors would actually speak up about. People can complain about 'noise' when things 'move in' to their neighborhood. But the people around Hastings Park purchased into their homes knowing the facilities were there. It would be like moving next to YVR then complaining about planes being too loud or complaining when the airports needs to expand.

DON'T BUY NEXT TO THE AIRPORT THEN! Don't move up Cypress Mountain if you don't want bears coming into your back yard. Don't move beside the shooting range in Port Coquitlam if periodic gun noise annoys you. Don't move to southern Florida if you hate Hurricanes! Same thing here. Don't buy next to Hastings Park if you are annoyed with traffic, cars, people, and noise. Move to Chilliwack.

I'm glad it went through. *applaud* That part of Vancouver doesn't need more greenspace.

SpikePhanta · #79 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 8:04 PM**

^ And the people who move to Chilliwack complain about the fog and every 3 years it floods, demand money from the govermen....

mr.x · #80 Posted **Dec 15, 2010, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by jhausner

What I don't get is that the PNE has been there for how long? A lot of people complaining against the plan in the radio and in the news were stating "You don't know how loud it can be to live beside teh PNE grounds!"

Well. Firstly, the PNE has been on those grounds for 100 years.

Secondly the Pacific Coliseum was built in 1968 and hosted the Canucks for many years.

Then you have Playland which had rides as early as 1960 and has been in fairly full force since I was a kid so 20+ years.

Then you have the Agrodome which was built in 1963 and Empire Stadium in 1954.

Finally, you have the heart of the area, the racecourse which openned as East Park in 1889 so before any human being living around Hastings Park were born. Hell probably before most of their grandparents were born.

This is what I wish the news and or councillors would actually speak up about. People can complain about 'noise' when things 'move in' to their neighborhood. But the people around Hastings Park purchased into their homes knowing the facilities were there. It would be like moving next to YVR then complaining about planes being too loud or complaining when the airports needs to expand.

DON'T BUY NEXT TO THE AIRPORT THEN! Don't move up Cypress Mountain if you don't want bears coming into your back yard. Don't move beside the shooting range in Port Coquitlam if periodic gun noise annoys you. Don't move to southern Florida if you hate Hurricanes! Same thing here. Don't buy next to Hastings Park if you are annoyed with traffic, cars, people, and noise. Move to Chilliwack.

I'm glad it went through. *applaud* That part of Vancouver doesn't need more greenspace.

If only we had more of this being aired....

But one thing I'm concerned about: how likely is it that the approved masterplan will be changed sometime over the next few years? Afterall, this isn't the first masterplan that has been approved by the City for the PNE.

Not to mention that the timeline to get all the improvements done is 20 years. That's a lot of time for environmentalist nuts and fringe activists to do their tweaking by putting one toe in at a time.

The pond/sanctuary and Italian Gardens have almost already destroyed the PNE as is.

I'm really getting irked by Jeff Lee's one-sided reporting.