HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 11:44 AM
vid's Avatar
vid vid is offline
I am a typical
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 41,172
But North Vancouver is Vancouver, it just has a separate government. Same thing for Burlington. It's part of the same urban area as Hamilton. It's basically a part of Hamilton that is separate from it by an imaginary line.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 12:36 PM
Spocket's Avatar
Spocket Spocket is online now
Back from the dead
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,576
Ultimately I wonder if Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge/Guelph isn't actually a better model even if by accident. With everything being more evenly distributed throughout the region , the classic North American urban planning problems are probably considerably less pronounced.


Cambridgite (and anybody else in that region) is this the case ?
__________________
Giving you a reason to drink and drive since 1975.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 6:16 PM
Cambridgite
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spocket View Post
Ultimately I wonder if Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge/Guelph isn't actually a better model even if by accident. With everything being more evenly distributed throughout the region , the classic North American urban planning problems are probably considerably less pronounced.


Cambridgite (and anybody else in that region) is this the case ?
Depends what you mean be "the classic North American urban planning problems" (maybe you could specify). We certainly have the problems of urban sprawl, traffic congestion, and car dependance no less than most Canadian cities. I think it actually makes it even harder to pull off a functional transit system when you don't have one downtown core with a very large number of people working there. The largest is downtown Kitchener with only 12,000 workers (though will probably be around 16,000 when the Lang Tannery is renovated and moved into). However, one kind of accidental stroke of luck we have is that we have many major destinations forming a line. This is the impetus behind the current iXpress bus service and future LRT line. So while downtown Kitchener may not warrant an LRT line in itself, it lines up with 2 or 3 other downtowns (depending on the route chosen), 2 or 3 major indoor malls (depending on the route chosen), 2 universities, another major activity area, and 1 or 2 hospitals (depending on the route chosen). Collectively, this builds a spine that has a lot of potential to be built onto further. Think of the Yonge Street corridor in Toronto or Peachtree Street in Atlanta, but less significant.

Another consequence of this urban form is that you have a region with a less cohesive identity. On one hand, this adds more interest to the Region than a single downtown, inner city, with suburbs around it. On the other hand, people in the different cities don't see themselves as relating to their neighbour cities as much (whereas Burnaby is an obvious suburb of Vancouver). If you take Cambridge for example, most people in Cambridge do their shopping and other regular errands in Cambridge and don't venture further than the very southern parts of Kitchener very often unless they happen to work there or have some other extenuating circumstance (maybe if there's a concert or they're visiting friends, etc). In my case, I wouldn't know a great deal about the other neighbour cities if I wasn't doing my schooling in Waterloo. Even with Guelph, I barely ever go there, but I do know people who commute to school there, go to Guelph bars and clubs, and work in Guelph. However, they are in a separate regional municipality, so our transit systems are not co-ordinated. The hope is that GO transit can take on that role as they move west from the GTA.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 4:24 PM
Distill3d's Avatar
Distill3d Distill3d is offline
Glorfied Overrated Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver (Burnaby), British Columbia
Posts: 4,151
Quote:
Originally Posted by vid View Post
But North Vancouver is Vancouver, it just has a separate government. Same thing for Burlington. It's part of the same urban area as Hamilton. It's basically a part of Hamilton that is separate from it by an imaginary line.
Burlington is part of both the GTA and Hamilton isn't it?
__________________
The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Pinky: I think so, Brain, but this time, you put the trousers on the chimp.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 5:21 PM
flar's Avatar
flar flar is online now
..........
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 15,677
Quote:
Originally Posted by Distill3d View Post
Burlington is part of both the GTA and Hamilton isn't it?
Yes it is. The GTA is made up of Toronto plus the regions of York, Halton, Peel and Durham. Burlington is in Halton Region so it is included in the GTA. Burlington is also included in Hamilton's CMA and Hamilton's UA (urban area) by Statistics Canada. Burlington is generally considered part of Greater Hamilton.
__________________
RECENT PHOTOS:
TORONTOSAN FRANCISCO ROCHESTER, NYHAMILTONGODERICH, ON WHEATLEY, ONCOBOURG, ONLAS VEGASLOS ANGELES
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2009, 10:35 PM
softee's Avatar
softee softee is offline
Aimless Wanderer
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Downtown Toronto
Posts: 3,430
^ It would be pretty good if the buildings were closer together. Sarnia only has about 80K so it's not bad for a city that size.
__________________
Public transit is the lifeblood of every healthy city.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 2:51 AM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
the cement block on the left is brought to you by tricar. Building commie blockes for your satisfaction for over 10 years.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 3:19 AM
flar's Avatar
flar flar is online now
..........
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 15,677
At least Sarnia has a decent highrise, Kenwick Place.




There are really no tall buildings southwest of London (other than Windsor of course). There are a few "high rise" apartments in Chatham and Wallaceburg but I don't think any of them are more than 12 storeys. So Sarnia has a kick ass skyline for that part of the country.
__________________
RECENT PHOTOS:
TORONTOSAN FRANCISCO ROCHESTER, NYHAMILTONGODERICH, ON WHEATLEY, ONCOBOURG, ONLAS VEGASLOS ANGELES
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 8:52 AM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 17,804
Need some pics of Kamloops, Nanaimo and Kelowna on here.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 2:14 AM
401_King's Avatar
401_King 401_King is offline
lets race
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by flar View Post
There are really no tall buildings southwest of London (other than Windsor of course). There are a few "high rise" apartments in Chatham and Wallaceburg but I don't think any of them are more than 12 storeys. So Sarnia has a kick ass skyline for that part of the country.
u should try to find a pic with those buildings and the bluewater bridge!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Aug 22, 2009, 4:26 AM
realcity's Avatar
realcity realcity is offline
Bruatalism gets no respec
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Williamsville NY
Posts: 4,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by softee View Post
^ It would be pretty good if the buildings were closer together. Sarnia only has about 80K so it's not bad for a city that size.



I condensed Sarnia's skyline. It wouldn't be bad for 80k. I have no fondness of Sarnia, never been except maybe to defend a little industrial brother.



real Sarnia skyline
__________________
Height restrictions and Set-backs are for Nimbys and the suburbs.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 3:16 AM
boden's Avatar
boden boden is offline
Reach for the Clouds
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Great Neck, NY
Posts: 4,444
Brockville, Ontario, Pop. 21,000. I think it has a pretty decent "mini-skyline" for such a small city. It is a really nice place too.


Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 9:47 AM
Elmira Guy's Avatar
Elmira Guy Elmira Guy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Waterloo, ON
Posts: 633
Quote:
Originally Posted by boden View Post
Brockville, Ontario, Pop. 21,000. I think it has a pretty decent "mini-skyline" for such a small city. It is a really nice place too.


Nice pics!

I did my teaching placement in Brockville. I thought it was a nice little city too!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 9:12 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
I like the building with the green roof.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2009, 8:35 AM
Migs Migs is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Regina, Sk, Canada
Posts: 3,774
Here are some more of Saskatchewan's Capital city, Regina. Population 210,000. Oh and be sure and check out my Regina photo blog. Cheers

http://reginainpictures.blogspot.com










(all photos are mine)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 9:09 PM
vid's Avatar
vid vid is offline
I am a typical
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Thunder Bay
Posts: 41,172
Please don't quote an entire post full of photos without removing the photos. Especially when they're larger than 800x600.

Thunder Bay is similar to Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge-Guelph. Two (or three) downtowns all lined up, two separate cities, and people from one city rarely go to the other, but unlike KW, we have a place between the two cities where everyone meets. It's basically two separate cities with one overlapping big box area. (We have less big box stores per capita than other cities this size, since they're all optimally located in the middle of the city.) In that aspect it is better because we have less urban sprawl dedicated to shopping areas, and have got sort of a downtown out of it as well. The downside is our residential areas aren't very dense. Like KW, an LRT line (or at least BRT) would be somewhat feasible here. (Especially since we already have a rail corridor linking both downtowns, Intercity including our largest mall, and the airport.) Our university and college don't line up though. Each of our downtown areas has its own thing going, so there is more variety in downtowns, unlike Toronto which really only has one actual downtown.

There are benefits and negatives to this urban model. It's pretty common in Europe, the metro area of Frankfurt is really hundreds are cities, Frankfurt proper probably isn't much bigger than KW itself but the region has millions of people.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2009, 8:38 AM
Elmira Guy's Avatar
Elmira Guy Elmira Guy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Waterloo, ON
Posts: 633
Sorry

Quote:
Originally Posted by vid View Post
Please don't quote an entire post full of photos without removing the photos. Especially when they're larger than 800x600.

Thunder Bay is similar to Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge-Guelph. Two (or three) downtowns all lined up, two separate cities, and people from one city rarely go to the other, but unlike KW, we have a place between the two cities where everyone meets. It's basically two separate cities with one overlapping big box area. (We have less big box stores per capita than other cities this size, since they're all optimally located in the middle of the city.) In that aspect it is better because we have less urban sprawl dedicated to shopping areas, and have got sort of a downtown out of it as well. The downside is our residential areas aren't very dense. Like KW, an LRT line (or at least BRT) would be somewhat feasible here. (Especially since we already have a rail corridor linking both downtowns, Intercity including our largest mall, and the airport.) Our university and college don't line up though. Each of our downtown areas has its own thing going, so there is more variety in downtowns, unlike Toronto which really only has one actual downtown.

There are benefits and negatives to this urban model. It's pretty common in Europe, the metro area of Frankfurt is really hundreds are cities, Frankfurt proper probably isn't much bigger than KW itself but the region has millions of people.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted Jan 8, 2009, 7:29 PM
Hootch's Avatar
Hootch Hootch is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,147
Quote:
Originally Posted by vid View Post
Please don't quote an entire post full of photos without removing the photos. Especially when they're larger than 800x600.
I know! God, it just REALLY gets on my nerves!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 11:05 AM
Elmira Guy's Avatar
Elmira Guy Elmira Guy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Waterloo, ON
Posts: 633
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootch View Post
I know! God, it just REALLY gets on my nerves!

Okay, okay. Only one sorry, and a vow to never do it again!

Fair enough?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2009, 9:16 AM
Distill3d's Avatar
Distill3d Distill3d is offline
Glorfied Overrated Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver (Burnaby), British Columbia
Posts: 4,151
Regina is pretty impressive for a city that size. i didn't realize its downtown was so dense
__________________
The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Pinky: I think so, Brain, but this time, you put the trousers on the chimp.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:31 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.