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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 5:36 PM
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They are all guilty, but Liberals are really bad. They love to pick winners and losers in the economy. The Sask Party at least had a policy against this but they have been pretty good at paying lip service to it and finding ways to get around their own policy in "special cases"..
I think most people will find (if they take off their partisan glasses) that all governments pick winners and losers. For the Sask Party, they chose the film industry as losers (which I still haven't seen justified), as an example, and private liquor stores as winners (which is more justifiable, though there are good arguments for and against it).

Sometimes governments make good choices on which industries to buff, and often they don't. The Liberals are no different than others. Based on the fact that they have governed Canada for something approaching 2/3 of our history, and that we are doing pretty well, I'd say they aren't any worse than conservative parties.

Often governments make decisions which benefit one region over another (National Energy program in the 80s, for example). It's tough to understand these decisions when your region is on the losing end (such as in that case), but easier to understand when your region benefits (Ontario/Quebec, in that case). Conversely, Trudeau Jr. is making a decision currently which benefits the prairies (the approval and push for the pipeline to the BC coast), and harms BC.

It is often tough to acknowledge when your political adversaries make decisions that benefit your region, and even more difficult to acknowledge that some decisions that hurt your region are for an even greater good. Much like some people pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits in order to help others, some regions end up paying more to benefit others which need the assistance, whether through fund transfers or policy changes. Canada is a federation of regions with often-opposing interests, and these things often happen. But if we didn't lose decisions, sometimes, then we wouldn't win them at other times. It's important to remember (both in the personal tax case, and also regional policy case) that a large part of the reason that people (or regions) do well enough to be taxed more than others is due to being lifted up by the policies that benefit the whole. Most rich people are rich because of history and circumstance, not skill. The same is true for regions of the country. You can certainly do things to change you or your area's outcome, but being born to a rich family in a good area sets you off to a much stronger start than being born poor as an Indigenous person, for example. The same is true for regions. Having oil wealth (or anything else) means you support other, poorer areas more because you are better off to begin with. This is why I personally have no sympathy for people making $100,000+ a year and complaining about their taxes, or for people in Alberta complaining about tough fiscal choices (in the latter's case, the government was fiscally irresponsible for decades when it was flush with cash). The reason they are rich is because we have policing, roads, medical care, and good government paid for by all. The same is true for regions.

These things need to be looked at in a pragmatic way. And fiscal decisions aside, I'd hate to live in Canada if it had been perpetually governed by the PCs/Conservatives, simply because we'd be decades behind in social freedoms and policies (as well as a likely lack of government programs such as universal healthcare, etc).
     
     
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So what will this entail for Regina itself?
Looks like nothing. I believe these companies are all Saskatoon based as I predicted.

A “protein innovations” supercluster from Saskatchewan led by agriculture giants including Ag-West Bio Inc, Alliance Grain traders Inc and US giant DowDuPont Inc. The supercluster’s goal is to make the Canadian prairies the leading global source of quality plant proteins and related food ingredients.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o...ia&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 6:14 PM
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They are all guilty, but Liberals are really bad. They love to pick winners and losers in the economy. The Sask Party at least had a policy against this but they have been pretty good at paying lip service to it and finding ways to get around their own policy in "special cases"..
If you say so. Sounds like you are saying it is ok if one government does it as long as they do it less than the other guys. Sorry but that argument is weak.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 7:23 PM
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Looks like nothing. I believe these companies are all Saskatoon based as I predicted.

A “protein innovations” supercluster from Saskatchewan led by agriculture giants including Ag-West Bio Inc, Alliance Grain traders Inc and US giant DowDuPont Inc. The supercluster’s goal is to make the Canadian prairies the leading global source of quality plant proteins and related food ingredients.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o...ia&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links
AGT is HQ'd in Regina. As are several other proponents
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 7:27 PM
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Looks like nothing. I believe these companies are all Saskatoon based as I predicted.

A “protein innovations” supercluster from Saskatchewan led by agriculture giants including Ag-West Bio Inc, Alliance Grain traders Inc and US giant DowDuPont Inc. The supercluster’s goal is to make the Canadian prairies the leading global source of quality plant proteins and related food ingredients.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o...ia&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links
Ag-West Bio is just a non-profit bioscience industry association and incubator that has its office at Innovation Place in Saskatoon -- its membership, I imagine, is province-wide.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 9:48 PM
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This supercluster will have components across the prairies.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 10:22 PM
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Mayor announced feasibility study for Ring Rd rail overpass at Winnipeg St today.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 11:32 PM
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The city already did one. $140 million is not feasible
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 12:09 AM
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The city already did one. $140 million is not feasible
Shaving $140 million from the bypass would have done it...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 12:11 AM
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The city already did one. $140 million is not feasible
That was kind of my first thought as well.
     
     
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http://www.620ckrm.com/2018/02/15/160063/
Sask agriculture project selected as one of 5 federal “supercluster” economic grants

Regina, SK, Canada / 620 CKRM

Jim Smalley

February 15, 2018 01:55 pm

The supercluster group includes Regina’s AGT Foods and other private sector companies and academic institutions.

Protein Industries Canada says the funds will expand the potential of crops like cereal grains, canola, pulses, hemp and flax through crop breeding, processing and export development.

AGT FOODS IS head quarters in Regina all in all good for the WHOLE province
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 2:52 AM
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There is a combined population of about 290 ,0000 the Regina Moose Jaw region , the land mass in Saskatoon is double the size of the Regina land mass , it is surprisingly to see the Queen city growing so rapidly considering all the government downsizing
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 1:04 PM
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Shaving $140 million from the bypass would have done it...
Well that ship has sailed.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 1:17 PM
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There is a combined population of about 290 ,0000 the Regina Moose Jaw region , the land mass in Saskatoon is double the size of the Regina land mass , it is surprisingly to see the Queen city growing so rapidly considering all the government downsizing
are they considering to combine moose jaw with the regina metro population?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 1:37 PM
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are they considering to combine moose jaw with the regina metro population?
There already in working distance to each other
     
     
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are they considering to combine moose jaw with the regina metro population?
I don't think we're anywhere near that point, yet.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 2:43 PM
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The numbers are publicly available. We need 35% cross commuters and we're at 12%.

Unless employment explodes at the GTH or Belle Plain it's unlikely they'll be combined
     
     
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are they considering to combine moose jaw with the regina metro population?
There are rules Stats Can uses in order to determine metropolitan area. They have to do with the percentage of people who commute between the centres. Moose jaw does not meet the threshold.
     
     
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There are rules Stats Can uses in order to determine metropolitan area. They have to do with the percentage of people who commute between the centres. Moose jaw does not meet the threshold.
Exactly - we're not even close.
(as reference, we had quite a discussion about this in 2014)
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Goodale will be 70 when the next election is held. I would not be surprised to see him retire.

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Fougere did not hazard a guess at how expensive the project could be, or how long the Ring Road might be out of commission, though he has been quoted as pegging the potential outlay in the $100-million range.

He said he will discuss the issue with federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale in a bid to secure federal funding for the project, and also plans to approach the province.
http://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/ci...overpass-where-railway-crosses-ring-road

Yesterday Fougere was saying they want to get extra taxation powers from the province. I think along with the Ring Rd project, he has unrealistic expectations of funding from other govts.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/michael-fougere-new-taxes-saskatchewan-cities-1.4537560
     
     
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